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Old 07-03-2006, 08:17 PM   #1
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Carrots and founder

This is probably an odd question, but I'm asking for a client of my husband's. He went to trim a foundered horsed today (he gets a LOT of founder cases). This is a horse I sigh over every time I see it and I've never seen it standing in the classic founder stance, but my husband says it's definitely foundered and even needed shoes. Thing is, they don't feed the horse any grain. We've been excrutiatingly dry this season again, and I can only think of once, maybe back in April, where the grass may have been green enough to founder a horse. BUT, the horse was consistently on pasture and had regular hay so it hadn't been just turned out on green grass. The only thing the owners could think of was that they feed the horse a lot of carrots. How many carrots would it actually take to founder a big horse? I know that too many carrots CAN and HAS foundered minis.....

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Old 07-03-2006, 08:28 PM   #2
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THis link shows the sugar-starch level of feeds associated with causing founder:

Carrots are near the top, and are lower then corn and oats, but higher in the sugars/starches then most of the other processed grains.

Based on their findings, I would say it would take for example twice as much carrots as corn to founder a horse.

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Old 07-03-2006, 10:51 PM   #3
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My old gelding has cushings which predisposes him to founder. He gets no pasture,no apples, carrots etc. no grain. Only grass hay and a special lo carb pellet and he still had an episode of founder last year. The only thing I could figure was the stress of moving one of the other horses he was used to being with. I know carrots are high in sugar and not a good thing for horses that founder, but perhaps there was some other stress going on that could have triggered it as well?
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Old 07-03-2006, 11:53 PM   #4
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I personally own a foundered mare, che has chronic laminitis, and "so i have been told" she will never be cured of it. The only time since I have had her that she re-foundered was when I was feeding her grain (she looked so skinny, and I must have out of my mind! ). I feed her carrots all the problems, and I know that she has people that live in my house (who will remain unnamed) that don't listen to me when i say dont feed her anything, and I know they give her a apple or two a week. Since the grain episode we have had no real issues with her foundering, of course she has more sinking now, which most likely means rotation . But I have never known a horse to founder of carrots. Horses usually founder (when its grass founder) because of the high carbs (and part of it is the sugar) but mostly carbohydrates. There are many other things that can cause laminitis such stress, retained placenta, colic, leg injury ect. A good book to have is "Understanding Laminitis" By Ric Redden. Here are some good links to look at on laminitis if you are interested

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Old 07-04-2006, 03:11 AM   #5
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I can see it happening,some folks live near carrot producers and supplement the feed with 50 pound sacks of carrots..we used to when I was a kid.
laminitic prone horses have to be monitored all the time for items that may upset their condition.
They may want to just delete carrots from his diet.
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Old 12-07-2006, 08:43 AM   #6
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Sorry not any help on this,But did hear you should feed carrots sliced,never give whole.It was here on Ht sight,Maybe some one can recall it,an tell you more.Good Luck.
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Old 12-10-2006, 03:24 PM   #7
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Too much carbs & other sugars can lead to diabetes type problems in humans AND horses (& probably many other animals). On of the effects is hand/foot/nail/hoof damage.

Pete Ramey has a bit of info on his site about this. You will learn there how the mechanics of the foot contribute to the problem too. Also, to people such as Merikle Waters, who have 'previously foundered' or 'incureable' cases, study all of Pete's articles on his site & you will learn how to truely heal these problems.
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