Please help me with registration.

cole · 02-22-2006, 11:42 AM

Okay my new horse is a quarter horse paint. His dad is half paint half quarter horse they are working on getting his QH papers. If they do that can I register my horse as a qh too. His mom is a paint. He has paint papers but i was wondering if I can double register him.

snickers · 02-22-2006, 11:49 AM

Only if he is a crop out from 2 QH.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Squeekers Tovero Kid · 02-22-2006, 12:01 PM

Snickers is right, only crop out....and good luck with that! See my avatar, here is my full QH mare who is registered paint because of a few spots! To register her QH is a nightmare so I am happy she is my APHA registered mare!

Fawn Lane Farm · 02-22-2006, 12:11 PM

Unfortunately even if the stud gets AQHA papers, your horse cannot be registered AQHA if his momma is only APHA (that is not a cropout QH). If the sire got his AQHA and mom was AQHA THEN he could be double registered.

I hope that came out the way I meant it....

ron · 02-22-2006, 12:41 PM

well if mom is paint but is result of cropout breeding from dam or sire and all the above can be registered QH, boy it's a lot of trouble, the if the sire gets his papers, boy thats a lot of trouble, then it is possible for the new horse to get registered qh. BUT this can only happen if all of the above horses are eligible for and applied for QH papers. I seriously doubt that this will happen. Once there is a paint in the wood pile, then AQHA won't take 'em

snickers · 02-22-2006, 12:57 PM

Cole,
I think you are confussed on the QH part and paint part.

Paint is a color and has many different breeds in it.
If the sire is a paint, resulting from a paint being bred with a QH.
His Dam is a paint, and if you research back will have QH somewhere
in her bloodlines.

Unless the sire is a colored, paint markings, from 2 QH's, they cannot be registered with AQHA. That is what is known as a crop out paint from two registered QH.

You gelding is registered paint, and not QH, because he is from 2 paints with QH decendants.

Here is an example.
My mare's dam is a QH, and her sire was paint with QH decendants.
She is not colored, so, registered as breeding stock/solid.
If she was out of 2 registered QH, and had paint markings then she could be reg. AQHA, as a crop out.
So since your horse is from 2 paints, with QH decendants, he cannot be registered in AQHA, and from the information you have given, I doubt his sire will be since he is not out of 2 reg. QH, resulting a cropout.
I hope this explains it better.

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ThorArb · 02-22-2006, 01:11 PM

If there is any paint breeding in either horses, the horse CANNOT be registered AQHA. Period.

Now, should the horse have paint MARKINGS but is out of TWO AQHA parents, the horse can be registered AQHA and APHA. (called a crop out).

If his mom is registered APHA or has any Paint breeding, your horse can ONLY be registered APHA. If she is a crop out, she must be registered AQHA and APHA for your horse to be eligible for AQHA and APHA papers.

Brittany

ron · 02-22-2006, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThorArb

Now, should the horse have paint MARKINGS but is out of TWO AQHA parents, the horse can be registered AQHA and APHA. (called a crop out).

well now the APHA has that pesky one paint parent rule. With the AQHA now taking any offspring from two QH parents regardless of the amount of white, the APHA has countered with the one paint parent rule to get a handle on and slow down or stop the double registered horses.

For registration to to APHA one parent has to be APHA registered. no more cropouts.

snickers · 02-22-2006, 01:27 PM

One parent has to be registered Paint to get a foal registered in APHA.
The resulting foal can be colored or solid, as long as one parent is registered with APHA, colored, or solid, from registered APHA parents.

ThorArb · 02-22-2006, 03:39 PM

Duh!

Thank you for correcting me.

Brittany

snickers · 02-22-2006, 04:12 PM

Are you allready having a senior moment??
Happens to me all the time.

Lots of things I forget.

cole · 02-22-2006, 09:23 PM

Okay my horses dad is a son of zippo pine bar. and his mom is a qh paint. my horses dam is a paint who has qh like 2 horses down on her papers. my horses sir is in the prosses of getting qh papers. My horse is a solid. I didn't think I could double register him but I wanted to make sure.

snickers · 02-22-2006, 09:33 PM

Cole,

a Paint can have QH's in their pedigree.
Is the sire to your horse colored?
The dam is a paint, with QH decendants. She is not
a QH/Paint.
Unless the sire is a crop out from 2 registered QH, he cannot be registered in AQHA, if he is a registered with APHA.

Since your horse is a solid, and not from 2 registered QH,
he cannot be registered.

Can you give me your horses registered name?
Then I can see more of what you are talking about and
give you more information.

cole · 02-23-2006, 01:14 PM

his name is azippos chance

snickers · 02-23-2006, 01:26 PM

Ok, both parents are paints.
They have QH decendants.
The sire will not be registered AQHA because he is not out of 2 registered QH, and is not a crop out.

The Sires dam is a paint, not a QH, his sire is a QH, so he is not AQHA, but APHA.
I dont know who told you he was going to be registered AQHA, but he cannot as previously stated.

His sire is the same as he is, a breeding stock/solid. Resulting from breeding 2 paints and getting no color, which his sire has no color.

So to the answer to the original question, no he cannot be registered AQHA, and his Sire cant either.

Your horse has some excellant bloodlines.

cole · 02-23-2006, 09:07 PM

Okay thank you I wasnt sure how that worked I know it is hard to double register. I know he has goood bloodlines to bad he isnt a mare, but if he was i wouldnt of bought him. I dont like mares.

joustinggirl · 02-24-2006, 05:06 AM

Are they still double registering? I think they stopped that. To be APHA you have to have 1 parent APHA. Then you could not be AQHA.

Fawn Lane Farm · 02-24-2006, 09:14 AM

If the horse was already registered APHA (grandfathered in before the one paint parent rule) that was a a "crop out" of 2 AQHA can now be registered AQHA even though it's already registered APHA. Therefore it would be double registered.

If you look at coles horses pedigree the sire is all AQHA except for two horses. One crop out is a horse named "Sonny Dee Jack" (APHA) by "Sonny Dee Bar" (AQHA) out of "Watch Jackie Moore" (AQHA). He was bred to "Honey Benidictus" (APHA) a AQHA cropout, by "Benedictus" (AQHA) out of "Skip's Honey Bun" (AQHA). If they went back and regsitered Sonny Dee Jack and Honey Benedictus as AQHA,therefore making them double registered, then paid all the faces for thier descendants to be AQHA, it would be POSSIBLE to Double Register the sire of your gelding. But it would be alot of money and effort I would guess!!

Your gelding though is out of a APHA mare though and therefore unable to be registered AQHA.

I hope this helps some

snickers · 02-24-2006, 10:38 AM

FLF, I didnt even pay attention to that. Duh.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, But since the sire is from 2 crop outs that are colored and he is a solid he cant be registered.

A crop out has to be from 2 registered AQHA horses, like the 2 that are mentioned, and those 2 have color as a paint, but the sire does not,
he is a solid.

From what I understand is the crop out has to have characteristics of a paint to be double registered, and from 2 Reg. AQHA horses, without paint markings, or crop outs themselves.

Laceycowgrl · 02-25-2006, 02:45 AM

here are some good links...

http://www.aqha.com/association/regi...ulechange.html

The best thing to do is call AQHA. They were very helpful with all my questions.

THE CATCH....

you have to get the records transferred (and that means signed) from APHA to AQHA to get ALL the horse registered with AQHA in YOUR horses pedigree. More than likely the AQHA x AQHA cross which resulted and a horse that was a AQHA cropout (which was registered APHA as a result of being classified as a cropout), was YEARS ago!!!!

You have to get that horse registered AQHA, and then their offspring, and then their offspring, and then YOUR horse. does that make sense??

My friend owns Reddy Robin. She has spend $1000's getting him registered AQHA! and it's still pending and she started the process last year.

http://www.legacyhorsefarms.com/reddy_robin.htm