AQHA/APHA registry

Cait · 11-05-2012, 07:22 PM

I know that this is a really silly question and in one reply, someone will answer my question, but I can't find it on the AQHA website (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough or in the right spot).

Anyway, I am breeding Ellie to SBR Formula One, who is registered AQHA. Ellie is registered APHA. I know that in order to be registered APHA, the foal will have to have a certain amount of white. But can it be registered AQHA? And if it doesn't have enough white, can it be registered Breeding Stock Paint?

Thanks in advance!

jazzymonster · 11-05-2012, 07:27 PM

no, your mare would have to be double registered apha and aqha in order for the foal to be registered aqha. if the foal doesn't have enough white it will be registered as a solid bred paint (apha)....it if has enough white, it may qualify for regular apha papers

Cait · 11-05-2012, 07:45 PM

Thanks!

And my mare can't be registered in AQHA...correct? I don't know if her parents were registered AQHA, but I am fairly positive that they were just APHA.

Forgive my stupidity. It is my first time ever having registered horses so I am trying to figure all this "stuff" out. Not to mention, I will admit, that in my eyes paints are just colorful quarter horses. Sorry if I offend anyone with that, I know my boss gets a little offended with it!

jazzymonster · 11-05-2012, 07:56 PM

lol no worries....my registered apha mare has a bunch of quarter horses on her papers....i always call her a quarter horse with spots

your mare could only be registered AQHA if HER parents each had a set of aqha papers

Smilie · 11-05-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cait

Thanks!

And my mare can't be registered in AQHA...correct? I don't know if her parents were registered AQHA, but I am fairly positive that they were just APHA.

Forgive my stupidity. It is my first time ever having registered horses so I am trying to figure all this "stuff" out. Not to mention, I will admit, that in my eyes paints are just colorful quarter horses. Sorry if I offend anyone with that, I know my boss gets a little offended with it!

Actually, your last statement isn't so far off the mark!
Many registered ApHA horse , in the past, were AQHA horses that exceeded the white rule, and were called 'crop outs", and could not get AQHA papers
Then AQHA, after genetic testing was available, relaxed the white rule, stating if a horse had two AQHA parents, then that offspring was an AQHA, regardless of the amount of white or coat pattern (thus, there even is an AQHA reiner, with Appaloosa coat pattern )
I don't know how long the rule was grand fathered, but horses that before were deigned AQHA papers now could get them, if they had two AQHA parents. Gunsmoke, something or other, once he was very famous as a working cowhorse/reiner, was sought to be part of the AQHA registry, previously denigned to him
Many AQHA people then started to purposely breed for excessive white, so they could have dual registered horses
ApHA , then, to protect it's own registry, put in the rule that for a registered paint foal, one parent had to be a Paint (correct me if I am wrong, Paint breeder's, as I'm going off of the top of my head only.
So, you(or your friend ), are very right for the most part Cait!
But to get down to the nitty gritty-Except for appendex AQHA horses, the AQHA is a closed registry, so Ellie's foal could not be registered AQHA
The ApHA, like the ApHC, has both TB and AQHA as allowable outcrosses for a Paint registered foal
However, unlike ApHC, ApHA does not allow solid horses to show against colored horses, except in futurities. They are designated breeding stock only

paintedpastures · 11-05-2012, 09:15 PM

Now to change things up some more/again

,APHA just passed a new rule allowing AQHA cropouts again

The white requirements are a little tighter than they were for eligibility though.

For the OP your resulting foal will only be eligible for APHA registration,not AQHA.
Depending on how much white your foal gets will determine if it will be SPB or Regular registry.

Aaronchen · 11-06-2012, 02:33 AM

oh not silly..just like evryone will be have a question!.

Cait · 11-16-2012, 09:02 PM

Thanks for your help guys!

For future breeding references, was it silly of me to breed an APHA to an AQHA with the risk of no color? I have heard that some people don't really care for breeding stock paints...

jazzymonster · 11-16-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cait

Thanks for your help guys!

For future breeding references, was it silly of me to breed an APHA to an AQHA with the risk of no color? I have heard that some people don't really care for breeding stock paints...

unfortunately, in the paint world, there is always a risk of getting no color.

for some reason I thought originally that ellie was a qh....

Cait · 11-18-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzymonster

unfortunately, in the paint world, there is always a risk of getting no color.

for some reason I thought originally that ellie was a qh....

That is a good point. I suppose there is always a chance of a solid foal!

Nope, she is APHA all the way! I am really hoping for a colored foal with a bald face like momma and 4 high socks, so the foal can be registered APHA and be my "dream color". However, I do realize that the chances of that happening are slim to none

Girl can dream though!

jazzymonster · 11-29-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cait

That is a good point. I suppose there is always a chance of a solid foal!

Nope, she is APHA all the way! I am really hoping for a colored foal with a bald face like momma and 4 high socks, so the foal can be registered APHA and be my "dream color". However, I do realize that the chances of that happening are slim to none

Girl can dream though!

sbr has been throwing some flashy foals when crossed on paints so you never know!!!!

you'll for sure get a chrome-y face I bet.....I got a star/snip, one back leg short sock, and one front leg with just a smudge of white. the dam was a bay with NO white