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Old 07-20-2012, 11:20 AM   #1
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Lightbulb What color is my colt? +more

I got this guy at a feedlot about 7 months ago and he's been doing awesome but lately his ribs have started showing and his spine... He gets fed alfalfa/grass and often straight grass and gets molasses and oats here and there. He is fat... I swear, he's got almost a potbelly but I don't understand why his ribs are showing? I have a paint mustang stallion whose ribs also show, but out only 2 out of 11 horses have this problem.

Another question that arrised was what the heck color is this guy? I've had four different opinions.

Strawberry roan
Red roan sabino
Washed out paint
Strawberry roan paint.

He has no black points anywhere, which I believe rules out a bay roan? His body is basically the same color all the way around, his upper legs, shoulder near the whithers, and cheek bone have a darker chestnut look but everything else looks almost.. pink? He also has an EXTREMELY dark red stripe going down his back and completely through his tail. There are some parts of him that are golden palomino color, like in his tail, and others that are a dark shade of red. I honestly don't care what color he is but it would be interesting to know. Also, the "roaning" specks going into the base of his tail and mane. And if you look at the inside of his legs you can see the white going up further than it is supposed to and he has white under his throat. Not sure if any of this matters but trying to describe what pictures sometimes can't get.













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Old 07-20-2012, 06:39 PM   #2
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From these photos I'd say your boy is a Red Dun with a Sabino gene.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:25 PM   #3
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Have you de-wormed him?
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:43 PM   #4
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Hay belly - his belly is bloated, could be worms or just poor nutrition - he's young and needs a more complete balance of feed than what you have him on - there are complete feeds that help with growth and overall health - get him on a worming system and feed him something that will help him grow - you don't want to stunt his growth or cause other issues down the road - he's too cute!
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I think he is greying . One can see the tell tale sign around his eyes, besides the coat color change
I agree, concerning the deworming and increased nutrition.Growing horses need a protein level that is at least 14%, plus a good balanced mineral mix
Oats and mollasses are just energy (NSC ), and if you are feeding them, then you must make sure you have enough protein and minerals to support that growth generated by the NSC, or you can have growth problems, including orthopedic developemental disease
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Old 07-22-2012, 06:18 AM   #6
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I don't know if its gray...he is "lighter" around the eye but I don't see white hairs per se. Plus, if he were graying then you would see more color leaving around his legs...and his legs are still solid. His head also is much more solid then his barrel (no white hairs where grays usually start first). I am going to go with red roan.

He just doesn't seem to be lightening up in the way I usually see grays lighten (legs, tail and head first), and I have more then 1/2 a dozen grays in the barn where I'm at (and I've owned 3). But I could still be wrong.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:05 AM   #7
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I'm with ANB. Her description of greying is spot on.

Sabino's will have random "roany" spots and all the white you've described.

Vote number two for red dun sabino.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:59 PM   #8
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Red Dun Sab....third vote

How old is he? I'd worm him, and I had mine on a broodmare pellet for his first year and a bit, and then I switched over to a complete pellet. He is very sweet with such a kind eye
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OMG! I can't believe I didn't see it before! It's not ROAN or SABINO-it's RABICANO! The roan is located in the correct spots, and he has white at the dock of his tail.

Red dun RABICANO. I'd bet $$ on it!
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:32 AM   #10
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What ever the technical term is IDK, but IMO he probly is the result of the parents being a sabino paint crossed with a dun resulting in him being red roan or sabino coloring with a dorsal stripe. If he didn't have the tall stockings I would say red roan crossed with a dun I've seen it many times here locally with those that are into producing color.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:16 PM   #11
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He's been wormed, even had a vet do it and he just said it was a hay belly. (He is not a equine specialist, sadly) I'm going to take him out of pasture this week, and get him a solid diet of high protein alfalfa. Would corn be an ideal grain to put him on? I know it is for energy but I heard it was also a good weight booster. And he has mineral blocks, both a mixture of Selenium + 12 Minerals and Plain Salt.

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Yeah, I guess a sabino or rabicano would suit him better than just a roan.. Not sure what his parents were, I was told his dam was a bay roan but he has no bay characteristics... He has the rabicano body marks.. here is one pic I found off the internet of one.

Also, I can get more pics, these were last month/early this month when he was STILL shedding out! I've clipped all the hair off now so his color is showing more.

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Old 07-23-2012, 08:10 PM   #12
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Okay, Newt got a photo shoot today and I got some more pics of his markings.. I'm leaning towards Rabicano each time I look at him, what do you guys think? And he's already put on a bunch of weight, we gave him a set of shots a few days ago (pics above were taken June-July 6th) and he has started to get worked so his muscle is forming around his shoulders and wither.









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Yay! I was right That almost never happens

He's rabicano for sure, you even see that almost "brindled" pattern to his barrel, and the famous "coon tail" that one sock that goes up does look rather sabino-ish though...maybe he has both at play+the red dun?

Just because his dam was a "bay roan" (most likely she was a bay rabicano, which is very often confused with roan) doesn't mean he'd be bay (unless she was homozygous black-which it's obvious she's not since this colt is chestnut). Sire I am guessing is most likely a plain ole' red dun.

At least you know this: he had to have a dun parent to be dun, and he has to have a rabicano parent to be rabicano (same with roan and gray, you must have a parent of the matching color).
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:07 AM   #14
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Haha, I'm glad you are right. I honestly love his markings...

Now on to a third question... Is there any way I can get him tested for homozygous rabicano, if possible? I know Animal Genetics does Sabino 1 and Red Factor.. but I don't know if it is even possible to get him tested for this gene?
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I'm not sure, but I don't think there's a test for it...and I don't know if you can have a homozygous rabicano or not. Worth looking into though
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