Bucking problem -HELP! - Page 2

Maybelline2005 · 08-31-2008, 07:20 AM

I really don't know what the issue with the trainer was. She is young, and I have to agree that anyone can "say" they are a trainer, that doesn't mean much. I suppose I could put an ad out there saying I am a "trainer" which obviously I am not.

I think she is confused, but I also know she is very lazy. She is obviously going to need some more serious training, I don't have the time or resources to do it right now, but I think I am going to call a trainer someone highly recommended (I trust this person), talk to him and see about possibly bringing her there for a while when I get the funds.

Vetjeanne - I'm not sure how many horses were in for training at the time, I know some were hers and some were boarded, there weren't *too* many I don't think that were in for training. The fact is, if these excuses were real (which I know some were, but I don't believe all were) There's no way she could have had the time to do the training she said she did.

XtendedTrot- the first time she "cancelled" she apologized and said she NEVER cancels unless it is dire. Well, 1409352289 excuses later, that first statement was wiped out! I should have done something the first couple of times. I went there a couple times "unannounced" but she wasn't there, the stalls were pretty dirty (not terrible, but it'd obviously been more than a day, I would say) and there was no water one time. She is a bit of a smooth talker I think, trying to get herself out of things and I so want to believe her and work with her. Now I've been trying to get her to come out here and work her, cancelled for the first time because she was "bucked off" a horse and was at the ER all night (interesting that she told me this is a horse she "trained" and was brought back because now he has a "bucking problem." Yesterday she said she tried calling me, neither phone showed her number...unbelievable!

Lwynn- I'm sorry for your situation, too. I, too am scared to get back on her. Though her "bucks" were nothing major, the second time she did it will a little more "anger" and that really scared me. Third time's the charm, I'm not quite ready to go for that again!

Chevychic26- thanks for the post! I think after the first time, I sat out two bucks and then I got off and lunged her, had someone get on her while I lead her around (she still wasn't too happy about that), but I personally did not get on her again. The second time when she got more irratated, I jumped off pretty fast (it was one small one, a few steps and then two in a row, I got off and lunged her again). I don't even want to try it again because I know she is realizing this is ok and when she does this I will get off.

dodib- yes, though I don't really think it's a medical issue, I will have the vet out to evaluate her before anything else is done with her, to rule out any possiblilities.

Sunlei- thank you for the post! Haven't had a chance to check out the videos yet, but will definately do it when I get home a little later.

EquineAlberta- thanks for the post. I certainly don't think she's a lost cause, either, though I have noticed that she has gotten progressively more impatient when it comes to "work-time." I just have no clue where to start to get her more interested in it, and that it is not a punishment, help her realize that it's not a bad thing. I'm just really frusterated and upset, because she really is a GREAT horse.

Valleygirl- she'll always have a home here, but would like to find someone who has the time and like you said "heart" to work with her consistently...once I get this all figured out I know she is going to be a gem. (or at least I hope!)

lbequ4002- that is scary, and very unfortunate. How was this horse on the ground? I sincerely hope that is not the case with her, I think I am going to have to start doing more gound work with her again and find a reputable trainer to evalutate her for certain. Yes, the lady who came to see her tried to get on her bareback (I really didn't think this would be an issue if I was leading her) but she started to back up and acted like she might buck before she even got her leg all the way over.

A J - I've come to realize this horse is extremely lazy, even when you are walking her she drags herself (of course she always happens to get enough energy to kick at the other horses and move away from the mounting block! I hope this isn't going to be it for her, but we will see.

vetjeanne · 08-31-2008, 02:07 PM

I personally tried a few years ago to ride 5 horses a day all had at least 30 days of previous training . Only had two saddles and depending on the horse would spend 15 to 45 minutes in the saddle. After you factor in prep time before and after the ride it took around 7 hours too ride the 5 head THE FIRST DAY. So **** sore it took longer afterwards.The guy who breaks for me does 4 horses a month it takes time to do it right.

lbequ4002 · 09-02-2008, 09:13 AM

the horse that bucked my mom off was so good on the ground so quiet and sweet she thought he'd be no problem to start herself. She's 50 but a very accomplished rider and isn't a stranger to a greenie. He was fine for the first several rides as well until she really was asking him to work. A lot of draftxs are used as bucking horses because of how hard and consistent some of them buck. I raise, train and sell lots of draftxs and know they can be stubborn, especially the perchx but so far none have been dangerous and once they figure out it's easier to do what you ask than not most are fine. But after this happened to my mom we heard of several more examples of this same type of thing happening. I do think I'd send her to a really good training and get a more accurate evaluation.

David · 09-02-2008, 10:27 AM

When you checked her back for soreness did you also think to check her sides? From reading this thread I saw a lot of mentions of kicking, maybe the horse has a broken or bruised rib and doesn't want to be kicked or even squeezed or poked in that area.

Another thought is if she wants to buck with a rider but not when longing then try longing with weight. You can buy a set of saddle panniers off horse.com ( It's a canvas contraption with a bag on each side that hangs over a saddle) then load them down and work her with them. She neeeds to learn that bucking won't get the weight off her back and then she'll realize that it's easier to walk (or even canter) with that weight there than to buck then walk with that weight.

Last thought is that even if the "trainer" rode the horse everyday, she still did not perform the services that were paid for and your money should be refunded less the amount it cost to care for the horse for 2 months.

PaintsQH · 09-06-2008, 08:07 AM

Way off topic... but David, can you post something else so you have 912 posts instead of 911

Sorry...........read my thread on the 911

DancinintheDark · 09-06-2008, 09:04 AM

Wow maybelline I just read your post and let me just say I am so sorry for your dilemma! I agree with what pretty much everyone said about that trainer just not being credible at all. No reputable trainer would make excuses not to meet you, among everything else she did. It even appears to me that she was either afraid of your horse ( she made her "assistant" ride them first) or she just hadn't ridden her much at all! Also like previously mentioned, if your horse was heaving after the amount of time they worked the horse in, she could not have been ridden on ANY sort of consistent basis! Though your horse may be a little lazy or be one of those that figure out quicky how to avoid work, that doesn't mean an EXPERIENCED trainer cannot work with them to create a suitable partner for you. I urge you to call that trainer back and demand a refund of your money. While it would be best to have had a contract with her, even if you did not you could still take her to court ( if neccessary) to get a refund. It should be obvious to even a non-horsey person she did no "training" on your horse!

David · 09-08-2008, 06:07 AM

PaintsQH here's 912...

horselady · 09-08-2008, 07:01 AM

Chirs Cox had a program on RFD yesterday and 300 or 330 about a bucking horse. It was called 2 hours- bucking,condensed to 1/2 hour.
Try to get the tape.
I usually do not look at the whole program of these trainers but I wish He had shown all 2 hours.

Basically said to get feet moving from side to side, and pushing hind quarters over so there is no buck. (FEET MOVNIG) in a tight circle. Must get respect from the ground first. no pushing no moving into your space. and motivated.
No suggestions other than try to get tape. very interesting.
When we saddle train, sometimes the feet do not move forward. and kicking sides and yanking on bit only causes horse to not understand what to do , panics and blows up. than the response is for human to bail. now horse is saying" oh is that all I have to do?" Habit forming,

Good luck

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08-31-2008, 07:20 AM
Maybelline2005 Weanling Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 220	I really don't know what the issue with the trainer was. She is young, and I have to agree that anyone can "say" they are a trainer, that doesn't mean much. I suppose I could put an ad out there saying I am a "trainer" which obviously I am not. I think she is confused, but I also know she is very lazy. She is obviously going to need some more serious training, I don't have the time or resources to do it right now, but I think I am going to call a trainer someone highly recommended (I trust this person), talk to him and see about possibly bringing her there for a while when I get the funds. Vetjeanne - I'm not sure how many horses were in for training at the time, I know some were hers and some were boarded, there weren't too many I don't think that were in for training. The fact is, if these excuses were real (which I know some were, but I don't believe all were) There's no way she could have had the time to do the training she said she did. XtendedTrot- the first time she "cancelled" she apologized and said she NEVER cancels unless it is dire. Well, 1409352289 excuses later, that first statement was wiped out! I should have done something the first couple of times. I went there a couple times "unannounced" but she wasn't there, the stalls were pretty dirty (not terrible, but it'd obviously been more than a day, I would say) and there was no water one time. She is a bit of a smooth talker I think, trying to get herself out of things and I so want to believe her and work with her. Now I've been trying to get her to come out here and work her, cancelled for the first time because she was "bucked off" a horse and was at the ER all night (interesting that she told me this is a horse she "trained" and was brought back because now he has a "bucking problem." Yesterday she said she tried calling me, neither phone showed her number...unbelievable! Lwynn- I'm sorry for your situation, too. I, too am scared to get back on her. Though her "bucks" were nothing major, the second time she did it will a little more "anger" and that really scared me. Third time's the charm, I'm not quite ready to go for that again! Chevychic26- thanks for the post! I think after the first time, I sat out two bucks and then I got off and lunged her, had someone get on her while I lead her around (she still wasn't too happy about that), but I personally did not get on her again. The second time when she got more irratated, I jumped off pretty fast (it was one small one, a few steps and then two in a row, I got off and lunged her again). I don't even want to try it again because I know she is realizing this is ok and when she does this I will get off. dodib- yes, though I don't really think it's a medical issue, I will have the vet out to evaluate her before anything else is done with her, to rule out any possiblilities. Sunlei- thank you for the post! Haven't had a chance to check out the videos yet, but will definately do it when I get home a little later. EquineAlberta- thanks for the post. I certainly don't think she's a lost cause, either, though I have noticed that she has gotten progressively more impatient when it comes to "work-time." I just have no clue where to start to get her more interested in it, and that it is not a punishment, help her realize that it's not a bad thing. I'm just really frusterated and upset, because she really is a GREAT horse. Valleygirl- she'll always have a home here, but would like to find someone who has the time and like you said "heart" to work with her consistently...once I get this all figured out I know she is going to be a gem. (or at least I hope!) lbequ4002- that is scary, and very unfortunate. How was this horse on the ground? I sincerely hope that is not the case with her, I think I am going to have to start doing more gound work with her again and find a reputable trainer to evalutate her for certain. Yes, the lady who came to see her tried to get on her bareback (I really didn't think this would be an issue if I was leading her) but she started to back up and acted like she might buck before she even got her leg all the way over. A J - I've come to realize this horse is extremely lazy, even when you are walking her she drags herself (of course she always happens to get enough energy to kick at the other horses and move away from the mounting block! I hope this isn't going to be it for her, but we will see.

08-31-2008, 02:07 PM
vetjeanne Halter broke Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: arkansas Posts: 55	I personally tried a few years ago to ride 5 horses a day all had at least 30 days of previous training . Only had two saddles and depending on the horse would spend 15 to 45 minutes in the saddle. After you factor in prep time before and after the ride it took around 7 hours too ride the 5 head THE FIRST DAY. So **** sore it took longer afterwards.The guy who breaks for me does 4 horses a month it takes time to do it right. __________________ I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills... www.arkyhorse.com

09-02-2008, 09:13 AM
lbequ4002 Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central AL Posts: 761	the horse that bucked my mom off was so good on the ground so quiet and sweet she thought he'd be no problem to start herself. She's 50 but a very accomplished rider and isn't a stranger to a greenie. He was fine for the first several rides as well until she really was asking him to work. A lot of draftxs are used as bucking horses because of how hard and consistent some of them buck. I raise, train and sell lots of draftxs and know they can be stubborn, especially the perchx but so far none have been dangerous and once they figure out it's easier to do what you ask than not most are fine. But after this happened to my mom we heard of several more examples of this same type of thing happening. I do think I'd send her to a really good training and get a more accurate evaluation.

09-02-2008, 10:27 AM
David Long Yearling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,066	When you checked her back for soreness did you also think to check her sides? From reading this thread I saw a lot of mentions of kicking, maybe the horse has a broken or bruised rib and doesn't want to be kicked or even squeezed or poked in that area. Another thought is if she wants to buck with a rider but not when longing then try longing with weight. You can buy a set of saddle panniers off horse.com ( It's a canvas contraption with a bag on each side that hangs over a saddle) then load them down and work her with them. She neeeds to learn that bucking won't get the weight off her back and then she'll realize that it's easier to walk (or even canter) with that weight there than to buck then walk with that weight. Last thought is that even if the "trainer" rode the horse everyday, she still did not perform the services that were paid for and your money should be refunded less the amount it cost to care for the horse for 2 months. __________________ "If you see your stirrups slap together above the horn, you're probably bucked off". Dave Stamey.

09-06-2008, 08:07 AM
PaintsQH Started Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In a house Posts: 2,414	Way off topic... but David, can you post something else so you have 912 posts instead of 911 Sorry...........read my thread on the 911

09-06-2008, 09:04 AM
DancinintheDark Newborn Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Elizabethton, TN Posts: 20	Wow maybelline I just read your post and let me just say I am so sorry for your dilemma! I agree with what pretty much everyone said about that trainer just not being credible at all. No reputable trainer would make excuses not to meet you, among everything else she did. It even appears to me that she was either afraid of your horse ( she made her "assistant" ride them first) or she just hadn't ridden her much at all! Also like previously mentioned, if your horse was heaving after the amount of time they worked the horse in, she could not have been ridden on ANY sort of consistent basis! Though your horse may be a little lazy or be one of those that figure out quicky how to avoid work, that doesn't mean an EXPERIENCED trainer cannot work with them to create a suitable partner for you. I urge you to call that trainer back and demand a refund of your money. While it would be best to have had a contract with her, even if you did not you could still take her to court ( if neccessary) to get a refund. It should be obvious to even a non-horsey person she did no "training" on your horse!

09-08-2008, 06:07 AM
David Long Yearling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,066	PaintsQH here's 912... __________________ "If you see your stirrups slap together above the horn, you're probably bucked off". Dave Stamey.

09-08-2008, 07:01 AM
horselady Greenbroke Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 3,225	Chirs Cox had a program on RFD yesterday and 300 or 330 about a bucking horse. It was called 2 hours- bucking,condensed to 1/2 hour. Try to get the tape. I usually do not look at the whole program of these trainers but I wish He had shown all 2 hours. Basically said to get feet moving from side to side, and pushing hind quarters over so there is no buck. (FEET MOVNIG) in a tight circle. Must get respect from the ground first. no pushing no moving into your space. and motivated. No suggestions other than try to get tape. very interesting. When we saddle train, sometimes the feet do not move forward. and kicking sides and yanking on bit only causes horse to not understand what to do , panics and blows up. than the response is for human to bail. now horse is saying" oh is that all I have to do?" Habit forming, Good luck __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime Last edited by horselady : 09-08-2008 at 07:04 AM.