problem horse

atheartcountry16 · 01-14-2008, 10:23 AM

I have a 6 yr old buckskin gelding. when i rode him before i bought him a couple months ago he was great, calm and nothing bothered him, well i rode him at my house and he was horrible, he bolted and acted like he didnt know what to do. and now i am having problems catching him in the pasture, and he turns and kicks at me. the people i purchased him from said he didnt have any problems except he didnt like his back hooves messed with. they told me that we would be a perfect match because i am an intermediate rider and he is only 6 and back yard broke. i need some advice on how to make him mind, before i spend the money for a trainer.

**gbarmranch** · 01-14-2008, 10:28 AM

The first issue is a lack of respect for him toward you - and that is something you are going to have to deal with.. The easiest trainer for you to follow is Clinton Anderson's "round penning for respect" - much cheaper then a trainer.. Besides, if you have a trainer fix him, he will behave for the trainer, but still not for you if you are not firm with him or don't know how to make him listen..

Second issue should be somewhat solved by solving issue number one - you may want to find a trainer who does lessons with you and your horse.. It could be the way he was trained - it could be the way you are riding - the two of you need to become a team, and bond - lessons together will help that a lot..

recklesshoundog · 01-14-2008, 10:30 AM

Your post says he was great when you rode him a couple of months ago. Has he sat for a while and now your riding him again? Or did the problems start immediately when you brought him home?

atheartcountry16 · 01-14-2008, 10:35 AM

the problems with him started immediatly (3 days after i got him) i am constantly (everyday) out with him trying to form that bond and he just gets worse.

GottaRide · 01-14-2008, 10:40 AM

Do you have other horses? Was he with other horses before you brought him home?

I agree that it is a respect issue. You need to establish herd dynamics from the ground before getting respect from the saddle. I would recommend reading through the information on Marv Walker's website. www.marvwalker.com Request The Bonder from him via e-mail. It will take a couple days for him to respond. Read through the details of The Bonder 10 times before you try it with your horse. You need to have the process ingrained in your mind before using it with a horse. Any hesitation or confusion on your part will transfer to the horse. Set yourselves up for success and only do what you are comfortable with. Marv Walker's techniques are easy to learn, the make a lot of sense, and it will work with your horse!

recklesshoundog · 01-14-2008, 10:42 AM

Boy that stinks..... If he had been one of mine, I'd be going to help the new owner and try to figure it out.

I think checking into a trainer that will come help you is the way to go. At least get an evaluation on him and see if it's you he's messing with or he just doesn't know.

Where in NY are you near? I'm on the outskirts of Binghamton, but know several good trainers in various spots that might be able to help you out.

**taelesean** · 01-14-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gbarmranch

The first issue is a lack of respect for him toward you - and that is something you are going to have to deal with.. The easiest trainer for you to follow is Clinton Anderson's "round penning for respect" - much cheaper then a trainer.. Besides, if you have a trainer fix him, he will behave for the trainer, but still not for you if you are not firm with him or don't know how to make him listen..

Second issue should be somewhat solved by solving issue number one - you may want to find a trainer who does lessons with you and your horse.. It could be the way he was trained - it could be the way you are riding - the two of you need to become a team, and bond - lessons together will help that a lot..

I'll agree wholeheartedly with Gbarmranch. He needs to learn that you are the boss, and there are consequences to disrespecting you. At this point, you'll probably have to get pretty aggresive with him for a while, but with consistant handling, he'll come around. He's a classic Clinton Anderson example - his books and vids will help you alot.

If you do decide to take him to a trainer, find one that works with both you and the horse together - that way, he'll learn to respect you, and you'll learn how to keep that respect.

Jess6092 · 01-14-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by recklesshoundog

Boy that stinks..... If he had been one of mine, I'd be going to help the new owner and try to figure it out.

Ditto!

I told the lady that has my mare on trial to call if she had any issues, she is only 15 minutes away and I could go help out!

Good luck. I definately agree to try roundpenning and working for respect. Lots of groundwork to get him comfortable in his surroundings.

Also, how long has he been at your place? Do you lead him around to get him used to the new place?

atheartcountry16 · 01-15-2008, 09:57 AM

i have had him for about 2 months and i am comstantly leading him around the pasture and where i plan to ride and he gets very aware and lerky

**gbarmranch** · 01-15-2008, 10:00 AM

Leading is not training.. he needs to do some respect lessons on a lunge line or in a round pen...

atheartcountry16 · 01-15-2008, 10:05 AM

i am just now able to do lounging work with him because the ground has been way to too soft then too hard, so i could not to do squat with him.

Slim Pikkens · 01-15-2008, 10:49 AM

He is obviously having trouble adjusting to a new home. You can walk him down in the field and control his movements with a 4' stick and a plastic bag on the end. An old fishing rod works. Get so you can turn him back. It may take you 20 min or 2 hours. When he stands looking at you, turn your stick behind your back, turn sideways, drop your shoulder and extend your arm, fingers downward. If he comes to you just rub his face and start walking away. He may or not follow. But it's a start.

atheartcountry16 · 01-16-2008, 09:26 AM

the newest "thing" of his is when it comes to feedding time i go to let him out of his stall and he runs out and knocks me into the wall at the same time. i have started to do some more ground work with him and im going to start lounging him this week. hopefully it all goes well. i was told he lounges both ways so...

JoAnne · 01-16-2008, 09:31 AM

sorry you are having this problem. i need some advice on how to make him mind, before i spend the money for a trainer.

I think you should hire the trainer and that will make him mind!! good luck it can be solved.

i need some advice on how to make him mind, before i spend the money for a trainer.

Nynx · 01-16-2008, 08:05 PM

If he has no respect for you and does not consider you a sound leader then he may just be scared and unwilling to trust you in a "strange" place.

Ground work will build trust and get his mind on what YOU want him to do and will keep you in a safer place...on the ground voluntarily is better than getting ejected from the saddle!

If you work with him on something constructive and he figures out that he doesn't die when he works with you then he should get better. Wear a helmet too when you do all of this in case he gets a little wild. Safety first...

A trainer is not a bad idea either...Good luck and stay safe!

Druydess · 01-16-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gbarmranch

The first issue is a lack of respect for him toward you - and that is something you are going to have to deal with.. The easiest trainer for you to follow is Clinton Anderson's "round penning for respect" - much cheaper then a trainer.. Besides, if you have a trainer fix him, he will behave for the trainer, but still not for you if you are not firm with him or don't know how to make him listen..

Second issue should be somewhat solved by solving issue number one - you may want to find a trainer who does lessons with you and your horse.. It could be the way he was trained - it could be the way you are riding - the two of you need to become a team, and bond - lessons together will help that a lot..

I agree with the Clinton Anderson angle; I use his methods and they work. I also would put him in a round pen or small paddock if possible so he can't evade you. If that's not an option, here's what I did with another person's disagreeable, spoiled brat horse...
Bring 2 other people, at least..
Bring 3 or more lunge whips.
When Mr. Disrespectful runs...make him run more. Make him run until he can't run. Each person spread out and keep him going.
The horse wins when running is HIS idea. He doesn't when it's yours. You control his feet. Make his choice suck. He will eventually realize that stopping is less work. Be prepared to do this ALL day if necessary for several days. He will realize it's futile to run away. Horses really don't like to run for long.
I know the thought is : Never chase a horse. But it can work IF you're prepared to chase him for being disrespectful for as long as it takes. It works.
As for kicking at you. A stick, halter and lead, and endless yielding the hind works well. Whack his butt lightly to move him, and if he kicks out, whack it again - - harder. If he kicks again, whack it yet harder...Repeat.

atheartcountry16 · 02-01-2008, 03:11 PM

ok so i got up some nerve and rode my buckskin... he was amazing. and i never even lunged him. he acted just like he did before i purchased him. i think he just needed to settle in some more. but i do need a little advice on a different bit. i didnt have the control i wanted. i use a 5 in full cheek snaffle. which is what they reccomened me to use on him. what should i buy?

Dream Ponies · 02-01-2008, 05:18 PM

That is great news. Keep being his leader and hopefully he will be fine. How long have you owned him? I really think a horse needs time to settle into a new home and maybe he finally has. Best of luck to you and your boy.

SunnyKS · 02-01-2008, 06:01 PM

This is just my opinion, but I don't think the control you want will be found in a different bit. I would follow Gbar's suggestion to find the control.

atheartcountry16 · 02-01-2008, 09:13 PM

Thanks. i have had him for about 2 months.

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01-14-2008, 10:23 AM
atheartcountry16 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lindley Ny Posts: 10	problem horse I have a 6 yr old buckskin gelding. when i rode him before i bought him a couple months ago he was great, calm and nothing bothered him, well i rode him at my house and he was horrible, he bolted and acted like he didnt know what to do. and now i am having problems catching him in the pasture, and he turns and kicks at me. the people i purchased him from said he didnt have any problems except he didnt like his back hooves messed with. they told me that we would be a perfect match because i am an intermediate rider and he is only 6 and back yard broke. i need some advice on how to make him mind, before i spend the money for a trainer.

01-14-2008, 10:28 AM
gbarmranch Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mayberry Posts: 29,575	The first issue is a lack of respect for him toward you - and that is something you are going to have to deal with.. The easiest trainer for you to follow is Clinton Anderson's "round penning for respect" - much cheaper then a trainer.. Besides, if you have a trainer fix him, he will behave for the trainer, but still not for you if you are not firm with him or don't know how to make him listen.. Second issue should be somewhat solved by solving issue number one - you may want to find a trainer who does lessons with you and your horse.. It could be the way he was trained - it could be the way you are riding - the two of you need to become a team, and bond - lessons together will help that a lot.. __________________ Quality Foundation Quarter Horses http://home.earthlink.net/~vpgann As you slide down the banister of life, may the splinters never point in the wrong direction.

01-14-2008, 10:30 AM
recklesshoundog Started Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts: 2,549	Your post says he was great when you rode him a couple of months ago. Has he sat for a while and now your riding him again? Or did the problems start immediately when you brought him home?

01-14-2008, 10:35 AM
atheartcountry16 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lindley Ny Posts: 10	the problems with him started immediatly (3 days after i got him) i am constantly (everyday) out with him trying to form that bond and he just gets worse.

01-14-2008, 10:40 AM
GottaRide Weanling Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: WI Posts: 244	Do you have other horses? Was he with other horses before you brought him home? I agree that it is a respect issue. You need to establish herd dynamics from the ground before getting respect from the saddle. I would recommend reading through the information on Marv Walker's website. www.marvwalker.com Request The Bonder from him via e-mail. It will take a couple days for him to respond. Read through the details of The Bonder 10 times before you try it with your horse. You need to have the process ingrained in your mind before using it with a horse. Any hesitation or confusion on your part will transfer to the horse. Set yourselves up for success and only do what you are comfortable with. Marv Walker's techniques are easy to learn, the make a lot of sense, and it will work with your horse! __________________ www.cedarviewpainthorses.blogspot.com Home of ~ Perfect Jin N Scotch - 2004 APHA Palomino Overo Gelding Hanks Rainy Sky - 1998 Black & White Tobiano Gelding

01-14-2008, 10:42 AM
recklesshoundog Started Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts: 2,549	Boy that stinks..... If he had been one of mine, I'd be going to help the new owner and try to figure it out. I think checking into a trainer that will come help you is the way to go. At least get an evaluation on him and see if it's you he's messing with or he just doesn't know. Where in NY are you near? I'm on the outskirts of Binghamton, but know several good trainers in various spots that might be able to help you out.

01-15-2008, 09:57 AM
atheartcountry16 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lindley Ny Posts: 10	i have had him for about 2 months and i am comstantly leading him around the pasture and where i plan to ride and he gets very aware and lerky __________________ "My horses are my comfort and my barn is my comfort zone"

01-15-2008, 10:00 AM
gbarmranch Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mayberry Posts: 29,575	Leading is not training.. he needs to do some respect lessons on a lunge line or in a round pen... __________________ Quality Foundation Quarter Horses http://home.earthlink.net/~vpgann As you slide down the banister of life, may the splinters never point in the wrong direction.

01-15-2008, 10:05 AM
atheartcountry16 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lindley Ny Posts: 10	i am just now able to do lounging work with him because the ground has been way to too soft then too hard, so i could not to do squat with him. __________________ "My horses are my comfort and my barn is my comfort zone"

01-15-2008, 10:49 AM
Slim Pikkens Greenbroke Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,001	He is obviously having trouble adjusting to a new home. You can walk him down in the field and control his movements with a 4' stick and a plastic bag on the end. An old fishing rod works. Get so you can turn him back. It may take you 20 min or 2 hours. When he stands looking at you, turn your stick behind your back, turn sideways, drop your shoulder and extend your arm, fingers downward. If he comes to you just rub his face and start walking away. He may or not follow. But it's a start.

01-16-2008, 09:26 AM
atheartcountry16 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lindley Ny Posts: 10	the newest "thing" of his is when it comes to feedding time i go to let him out of his stall and he runs out and knocks me into the wall at the same time. i have started to do some more ground work with him and im going to start lounging him this week. hopefully it all goes well. i was told he lounges both ways so... __________________ "My horses are my comfort and my barn is my comfort zone"

01-16-2008, 09:31 AM
JoAnne Started Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,442	sorry you are having this problem. i need some advice on how to make him mind, before i spend the money for a trainer. I think you should hire the trainer and that will make him mind!! good luck it can be solved. i need some advice on how to make him mind, before i spend the money for a trainer.

01-16-2008, 08:05 PM
Nynx Yearling Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 600	If he has no respect for you and does not consider you a sound leader then he may just be scared and unwilling to trust you in a "strange" place. Ground work will build trust and get his mind on what YOU want him to do and will keep you in a safer place...on the ground voluntarily is better than getting ejected from the saddle! If you work with him on something constructive and he figures out that he doesn't die when he works with you then he should get better. Wear a helmet too when you do all of this in case he gets a little wild. Safety first... A trainer is not a bad idea either...Good luck and stay safe! __________________ ~:>

02-01-2008, 03:11 PM
atheartcountry16 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lindley Ny Posts: 10	ok so i got up some nerve and rode my buckskin... he was amazing. and i never even lunged him. he acted just like he did before i purchased him. i think he just needed to settle in some more. but i do need a little advice on a different bit. i didnt have the control i wanted. i use a 5 in full cheek snaffle. which is what they reccomened me to use on him. what should i buy? __________________ "My horses are my comfort and my barn is my comfort zone"

02-01-2008, 05:18 PM
Dream Ponies Weanling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NY Posts: 429	That is great news. Keep being his leader and hopefully he will be fine. How long have you owned him? I really think a horse needs time to settle into a new home and maybe he finally has. Best of luck to you and your boy.

02-01-2008, 06:01 PM
SunnyKS Greenbroke Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,516	This is just my opinion, but I don't think the control you want will be found in a different bit. I would follow Gbar's suggestion to find the control. __________________

02-01-2008, 09:13 PM
atheartcountry16 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lindley Ny Posts: 10	Thanks. i have had him for about 2 months. __________________ "My horses are my comfort and my barn is my comfort zone"