Barrel Racing Help

Fancy's Mom · 05-06-2007, 10:22 PM

Ok my horse is an ID registered Spotted Saddle Horse/ Racking Horse.

I was planning on training her for speed racking but i miss barrel racing so much i want to train her for it..I mean i have to listen at what my horse wants to do and it seems that is the thing she WANTS to do..If she see's barrels she gets excited and perks up and wants to go go go..She already has alot of go and wants to run alot...

Sat i took her to her second show which of course was barrels and speed racing..She didnt do good at barrels ( that right turn on the first barrel was a doozie) and went across the timer but to the left she is fantastic.I guess cause i have one barrel that i play with her with and only turn her to the left side alot..

She ran a 12. something in speed her first time out in Adult Class, which i could have gotten her faster at the beginning of it but she has never done anything like that so i didnt run her in the starting of it..The fastest time that night was a 9. something and im sure i can get that out of her with practice if not more..There were at least 3 other saddle horses running in barrels and one morgan horse out there running..

I know they can do it...but alot of people are getting mad at me for "running" her like that saying i will mess her gait up but she WANTS to do it and i WANT to do it too..I miss it alot..I would still like to to lite shod "pleasure" classes on her also..She can only be at local club shows and not registered shows because she is ID registered

Ive done barrels and speed on my first horse which was a mustang but he already new the pattern and i never trained him at home..

I just recently got my own barrels at home and the only place i can put them is some flat land in the pasture that is probably big enough for the full sized pattern.

Also i know to take it at a walk first and move up the speed and i have got to work on her turning to the right..
so i guess my question is how far apart do you spread them out at first, like the distance measured for it and the distance for the big pattern?

What kind of bit should i use for barrels ( i have seen some people use a wonder bit like the one i have ) and i think that might work for her in barrels..

Also i use a regular walking horse bit for her when im showing in "pleasure" classes along with english saddle..

Should i keep up with the change using english and her walking bit when im doing pleasure classes and western and the wonder bit when im doing barrels or should i just leave the whole gaited pleasure thing alone and not "train" her for 2 different things..I love both and would like to do both!
So any info that i dont know about barrels and what not please fill me in!
Thanks

almost_mozart · 05-06-2007, 10:29 PM

Well, no offense, but gaited horses aren't the ideal breed for barrel racing. It can be done, certainly, and if your goal is to show in local playdays and such, great! The more power to you! They just aren't built for speed and turning and probably wouldn't make it on the competitive circuit, although of course there are exceptions to every rule.

I would definitely think it would screw up her gait, though, since barrels are all about SPEED SPEED SPEED and I assume that pleasure classes require a lot of control and balanced movement.

I would read BorntoRide's post about "Barrels and Pleasure? Am I Doing the Right Thing?" There's a lot of good information there. http://forum.horsetopia.com/viewtopic.php?t=27997

If you've made up your mind and you're definitely going to start barrels, remember to start slow. You shouldn't move up to even a slow lope for several months, and it could be a year or more before you're ready to ask for a run. That's how you keep a horse sane and fresh. Otherwise you risk ruining its mind and possibly hurting it physically. You might find a reputable barrel trainer to help you out.

I wish you luck in whatever you decide.

snickers · 05-06-2007, 10:37 PM

As with what AM said, you need a barrel bit. She seems to be a left handed horse and eneds to go to the first barrel left and work on the right.
Slow, slow, slow work. She shouldnt even be running barrels until she has the pattern down and that takes months of slow work and legging up.

Its a whole nother world when training a barrel horse.
If you really want to do barrels, IMO, find a barrel horse.
As stated, it can be done, but she is not bred to do barrels and cut around a barrel as the horses that are bred.

Lots of slow time. Walk, trot, go in wide and come out close, rating, etc., etc.
You need to take it a few steps back and train the right way.
She to can be blowed and then you will have a whole set of different problems to deal with.

I do suggest you talk to someone who trains barrel horses and get all the info needed and work with that person.

To train a barrel horse right, it takes months and a year or so.

Fancy's Mom · 05-06-2007, 10:38 PM

Ive seen plenty of them doing it and winning all the time..
One of my good friends ran his walker and no one could beat him

I dont plan on going to major point circuits with her, just the local club shows..

Now i dont know what to do, she WANTS to do it though. and she can turn on a dime and her whoa is well you might need a seat belt on her she can whoa so fast, even did a slide stop with me..

Yes i know to take it slow with her at first, this is not my first time doing this, just havent done it in 3 yrs..

I dont have the money to buy another horse...I was gonna train the paint horse but he is an

and doesnt do well with women.

I didnt RUN her the course until we rounded the last barrel then i ran her home.

http://www.sshbea.org/sport_horse.htm

Fancy's Mom · 05-07-2007, 12:03 AM

my first barrel horse i had was a mustang and he would walk in there so calm and when i asked him for the GO he would bring it..

People were amazed at how calm he went in and laughed at him saying he couldnt do it cause he was calm, i proved them wrong when we ran..
I trial rode him alot so he wasnt blown up about the idea of always running the pattern..

Ive seen many people come to the arena unload, run the pattern and load right back up and go straight back in a stall ( i knew the people who done it)..Ive seen her get hurt numerous times from her horses bolting and rearing to run run run that pattern.

She can do it and she wants to do it..She isnt all there with the gaited world and frankly i dont think she cares for it one bit..She is also a trail horse.

snickers · 05-07-2007, 05:53 AM

Good luck then.

BornToRide · 05-07-2007, 07:44 AM

If she does not enjoy her self with the gaited world, then I say you are doing the right thing in not making her do that.

Do some more slow work and work on some right hand turns. Good luck!!!

KatieMae · 05-07-2007, 08:01 AM

Well, I guess I can almost relate, but not in a complete "I know exactly what you mean" kind of way..

In Feb. I started ground training a 1/2 Tennessee Walker, 1/2 Spotted Saddle Horse.. Now, anyone around would say "Oh a gaited horse." No. This horse is FAR from gaited. The only gaits he posesses are the gaits a local dressage competitor would drool over.. (IE: Me.) I believe if the horse isn't truely suited for something, don't try to make them that way... I mean, does this horse scream gaited??

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...=horsey007.flv (sorry the quality turned out horrible after I uploaded it....

)

Lucky1999 · 05-07-2007, 08:27 AM

I am of the belief that a gaited horse can do anything that a trotting horse can do with the correct training.

This is Mr. Twister...a double registered Rocky Mountain Horse and Kentucky Mountain Sadde Horse. Gaits all day long on the trails. Pins every time in "A" Jumper classes.

And of course him gaiting...

Fancy's Mom · 05-07-2007, 01:06 PM

Dressage people would love my paint..He has that high knee action trot and he just floats/runs across the pasture, i love it but he is not a woman friendly horse.He has nice movements but his comformation is outta wack..He is half spotted saddle and half qh..He will let me pet him and everything but he pins his ears back at me alot..

Video of Destin in the pasture
please excuse my country voice..hehe.

Yeah she needs alot of work.She gaits just fine on the trial which i planned on keeping her gaiting on them and only running her when im going to a show.. and when she is ready to do the pattern at a run...

Ive done this before but never had a set up of barrels at my house to practice with so i dont really know the distance each barrel is supposed to be during practice.When i showed my mustang i waited till everyone left the show and stayed and practiced there.
What kind of bit should i get for her?
I used a hackamore gag on my mustang!

Fancy gaiting.

Here is a msg one of my Myspace and RL friends msged me back....

My stirrups are still where you had them if you want to run princess you can i dont mind at all...I think Fancy did really good...yea you could tell she wanted to do it she looked like she was proud of her self after she got done running lol well i got to get ready for school... if you want to ride sometime just write me cuz i want to get away from the house.. oh yea when is the St. Jude trail ride?

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Jamie
Date: May 7, 2007 1:19 AM

dangit where can i find one of them fast ponies at..

I just dont know what to do..I mean she wants to do it but everyone is getting pissed that im running a gaited horse..

I miss barrels so much..

well im gonna train her for it, i just got me some practice barrels the other day and i fixed her shoes myself..a little hammering and it did the trick but im still calling the farrier out cause Destin needs trimming and i will get him to look at her shoes better..

version1955 · 05-07-2007, 01:35 PM

Take this for what its worth. Its not like I have experience with barrels or gaits or any of the stuff.

If you and your horse are happy? Then you go play and have fun. Doesn't sound like you're competing, so who gives a rip?

Everyone expects their horse to learn how to go and stop, turn right and left. They are asked for by different cues. Look at dressage and all the fancy, complicated maneuvers those horses learn? Why not gait AND barrels. Two different things with different sets of cues. And use different tack for each, it is another way for your horse to know what is expected of her. Just like you wear a dress to a prom and jeans out in the barn.

That being said, if your horse is left handed, then I'd do the barrel pattern left handed. Gotta learn to pick your battles. There is enough to learn as it is.

Good Luck and Have Fun!

**Orchid** · 05-07-2007, 02:00 PM

If I remember correctly, your mare is only 3, right? If so, you are going to want to start her very, very slowly or her joints may not hold up.

Fancy's Mom · 05-07-2007, 02:02 PM

Thanks for some of the nice replys..i think she truley enjoys running and turning and going after those barrels....I think i will wait a couple days before i start practicing it..i like to give her a couple days off after a good ride..

So maybe Wednesday i can start working her.

I never expect to win all the time, i didnt with my mustang, i just had fun and cheered my friends on when they went in to run.

So i need to find her a barrel bit so she knows that bit means time to get down and dirty and of course i need to fix my barrel saddle, the one i got now is well i dont really like it and the stirrups hurt my feet..I havent used my old one in a year.Its the one i used on my mustang.Its very light weight and ohhhh so comfortable..

and when i want to go gaited i can use her gaited bit and the english saddle so she knows to be all dainty and prissy for that..hehe

What kind of bit should i be looking for for barrels?

Fancy's Mom · 05-07-2007, 02:02 PM

my mare is 4 and i know to start off slow....This IS NOT my first time barrel racing..

**Orchid** · 05-07-2007, 02:07 PM

Well alrighty then.

almost_mozart · 05-07-2007, 02:50 PM

I don't know what you expect? You asked for advice, we gave it, no one was mean, you claim we're "pissed" at you when no one said anything to that effect, and they you say that this isn't you're first time so you know what you're doing.

You're going to do what you're going to do and nothing any of us says will change that. I wish you and your horse luck.

And as for bits, it totally depends on the horse. There is no set "barrel racing only" bit. Try a snaffle to start.

Fancy's Mom · 05-07-2007, 03:36 PM

What are you talking about being pissed?...

Its is my first time with a gaited horse and i havent done barrels in 3 yrs so im a bit rusty with the whole situation and ive never had barrels at my home to practice on so i dont know the distances each barrel is supposed to be during practice and no one has answered that question..

Fancy's Mom · 05-07-2007, 04:37 PM

If you think im talking about ya being pissed that im running a gaited horse, its not ya its the gaited people i know personally that keep telling me i shouldnt run her but she wants to do it

KatieMae · 05-07-2007, 07:00 PM

After reading this post, I don't see where anybody was being testy about this subject, just offering their opinion on the situation..

Sigh... Can't we all just get along??

As for the distance of the barrels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Barrel_course.png

Fancy's Mom · 05-07-2007, 07:18 PM

What do ya keep talking about??????????

I never said any one was testy or pissed at me

jeez

05-06-2007, 10:22 PM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	Barrel Racing Help Ok my horse is an ID registered Spotted Saddle Horse/ Racking Horse. I was planning on training her for speed racking but i miss barrel racing so much i want to train her for it..I mean i have to listen at what my horse wants to do and it seems that is the thing she WANTS to do..If she see's barrels she gets excited and perks up and wants to go go go..She already has alot of go and wants to run alot... Sat i took her to her second show which of course was barrels and speed racing..She didnt do good at barrels ( that right turn on the first barrel was a doozie) and went across the timer but to the left she is fantastic.I guess cause i have one barrel that i play with her with and only turn her to the left side alot.. She ran a 12. something in speed her first time out in Adult Class, which i could have gotten her faster at the beginning of it but she has never done anything like that so i didnt run her in the starting of it..The fastest time that night was a 9. something and im sure i can get that out of her with practice if not more..There were at least 3 other saddle horses running in barrels and one morgan horse out there running.. I know they can do it...but alot of people are getting mad at me for "running" her like that saying i will mess her gait up but she WANTS to do it and i WANT to do it too..I miss it alot..I would still like to to lite shod "pleasure" classes on her also..She can only be at local club shows and not registered shows because she is ID registered Ive done barrels and speed on my first horse which was a mustang but he already new the pattern and i never trained him at home.. I just recently got my own barrels at home and the only place i can put them is some flat land in the pasture that is probably big enough for the full sized pattern. Also i know to take it at a walk first and move up the speed and i have got to work on her turning to the right.. so i guess my question is how far apart do you spread them out at first, like the distance measured for it and the distance for the big pattern? What kind of bit should i use for barrels ( i have seen some people use a wonder bit like the one i have ) and i think that might work for her in barrels.. Also i use a regular walking horse bit for her when im showing in "pleasure" classes along with english saddle.. Should i keep up with the change using english and her walking bit when im doing pleasure classes and western and the wonder bit when im doing barrels or should i just leave the whole gaited pleasure thing alone and not "train" her for 2 different things..I love both and would like to do both! So any info that i dont know about barrels and what not please fill me in! Thanks __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!

05-06-2007, 10:29 PM
almost_mozart Started Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: .....transitioning..... Posts: 2,423	Well, no offense, but gaited horses aren't the ideal breed for barrel racing. It can be done, certainly, and if your goal is to show in local playdays and such, great! The more power to you! They just aren't built for speed and turning and probably wouldn't make it on the competitive circuit, although of course there are exceptions to every rule. I would definitely think it would screw up her gait, though, since barrels are all about SPEED SPEED SPEED and I assume that pleasure classes require a lot of control and balanced movement. I would read BorntoRide's post about "Barrels and Pleasure? Am I Doing the Right Thing?" There's a lot of good information there. http://forum.horsetopia.com/viewtopic.php?t=27997 If you've made up your mind and you're definitely going to start barrels, remember to start slow. You shouldn't move up to even a slow lope for several months, and it could be a year or more before you're ready to ask for a run. That's how you keep a horse sane and fresh. Otherwise you risk ruining its mind and possibly hurting it physically. You might find a reputable barrel trainer to help you out. I wish you luck in whatever you decide.

05-06-2007, 10:37 PM
snickers Bombproof Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Twilight Zone Posts: 8,988	As with what AM said, you need a barrel bit. She seems to be a left handed horse and eneds to go to the first barrel left and work on the right. Slow, slow, slow work. She shouldnt even be running barrels until she has the pattern down and that takes months of slow work and legging up. Its a whole nother world when training a barrel horse. If you really want to do barrels, IMO, find a barrel horse. As stated, it can be done, but she is not bred to do barrels and cut around a barrel as the horses that are bred. Lots of slow time. Walk, trot, go in wide and come out close, rating, etc., etc. You need to take it a few steps back and train the right way. She to can be blowed and then you will have a whole set of different problems to deal with. I do suggest you talk to someone who trains barrel horses and get all the info needed and work with that person. To train a barrel horse right, it takes months and a year or so. __________________ " You cant fix stupid " Ron White Life is to short to argue with ignorant people.

05-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	Ive seen plenty of them doing it and winning all the time.. One of my good friends ran his walker and no one could beat him I dont plan on going to major point circuits with her, just the local club shows.. Now i dont know what to do, she WANTS to do it though. and she can turn on a dime and her whoa is well you might need a seat belt on her she can whoa so fast, even did a slide stop with me.. Yes i know to take it slow with her at first, this is not my first time doing this, just havent done it in 3 yrs.. I dont have the money to buy another horse...I was gonna train the paint horse but he is an and doesnt do well with women. I didnt RUN her the course until we rounded the last barrel then i ran her home. http://www.sshbea.org/sport_horse.htm __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!

05-07-2007, 12:03 AM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	my first barrel horse i had was a mustang and he would walk in there so calm and when i asked him for the GO he would bring it.. People were amazed at how calm he went in and laughed at him saying he couldnt do it cause he was calm, i proved them wrong when we ran.. I trial rode him alot so he wasnt blown up about the idea of always running the pattern.. Ive seen many people come to the arena unload, run the pattern and load right back up and go straight back in a stall ( i knew the people who done it)..Ive seen her get hurt numerous times from her horses bolting and rearing to run run run that pattern. She can do it and she wants to do it..She isnt all there with the gaited world and frankly i dont think she cares for it one bit..She is also a trail horse. __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!

05-07-2007, 05:53 AM
snickers Bombproof Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Twilight Zone Posts: 8,988	Good luck then. __________________ " You cant fix stupid " Ron White Life is to short to argue with ignorant people.

05-07-2007, 07:44 AM
BornToRide Long Yearling Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,470	If she does not enjoy her self with the gaited world, then I say you are doing the right thing in not making her do that. Do some more slow work and work on some right hand turns. Good luck!!! __________________ There's something about the outside of a horse that's good for the inside of a man.-Winston Churchill

05-07-2007, 08:01 AM
KatieMae Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: C.FLA Posts: 4,139	Well, I guess I can almost relate, but not in a complete "I know exactly what you mean" kind of way.. In Feb. I started ground training a 1/2 Tennessee Walker, 1/2 Spotted Saddle Horse.. Now, anyone around would say "Oh a gaited horse." No. This horse is FAR from gaited. The only gaits he posesses are the gaits a local dressage competitor would drool over.. (IE: Me.) I believe if the horse isn't truely suited for something, don't try to make them that way... I mean, does this horse scream gaited?? http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...=horsey007.flv (sorry the quality turned out horrible after I uploaded it.... )

05-07-2007, 08:27 AM
Lucky1999 Yearling Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nicholasville, KY Posts: 578	I am of the belief that a gaited horse can do anything that a trotting horse can do with the correct training. This is Mr. Twister...a double registered Rocky Mountain Horse and Kentucky Mountain Sadde Horse. Gaits all day long on the trails. Pins every time in "A" Jumper classes. And of course him gaiting... __________________ And may the \"horse\" be with you! Alpha Farm - www.horsecampusa.com

05-07-2007, 01:06 PM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	Dressage people would love my paint..He has that high knee action trot and he just floats/runs across the pasture, i love it but he is not a woman friendly horse.He has nice movements but his comformation is outta wack..He is half spotted saddle and half qh..He will let me pet him and everything but he pins his ears back at me alot.. Video of Destin in the pasture please excuse my country voice..hehe. Yeah she needs alot of work.She gaits just fine on the trial which i planned on keeping her gaiting on them and only running her when im going to a show.. and when she is ready to do the pattern at a run... Ive done this before but never had a set up of barrels at my house to practice with so i dont really know the distance each barrel is supposed to be during practice.When i showed my mustang i waited till everyone left the show and stayed and practiced there. What kind of bit should i get for her? I used a hackamore gag on my mustang! Fancy gaiting. Here is a msg one of my Myspace and RL friends msged me back.... My stirrups are still where you had them if you want to run princess you can i dont mind at all...I think Fancy did really good...yea you could tell she wanted to do it she looked like she was proud of her self after she got done running lol well i got to get ready for school... if you want to ride sometime just write me cuz i want to get away from the house.. oh yea when is the St. Jude trail ride? ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Jamie Date: May 7, 2007 1:19 AM dangit where can i find one of them fast ponies at.. I just dont know what to do..I mean she wants to do it but everyone is getting pissed that im running a gaited horse.. I miss barrels so much.. well im gonna train her for it, i just got me some practice barrels the other day and i fixed her shoes myself..a little hammering and it did the trick but im still calling the farrier out cause Destin needs trimming and i will get him to look at her shoes better.. __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!

05-07-2007, 01:35 PM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,937	Take this for what its worth. Its not like I have experience with barrels or gaits or any of the stuff. If you and your horse are happy? Then you go play and have fun. Doesn't sound like you're competing, so who gives a rip? Everyone expects their horse to learn how to go and stop, turn right and left. They are asked for by different cues. Look at dressage and all the fancy, complicated maneuvers those horses learn? Why not gait AND barrels. Two different things with different sets of cues. And use different tack for each, it is another way for your horse to know what is expected of her. Just like you wear a dress to a prom and jeans out in the barn. That being said, if your horse is left handed, then I'd do the barrel pattern left handed. Gotta learn to pick your battles. There is enough to learn as it is. Good Luck and Have Fun! __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

05-07-2007, 02:00 PM
Orchid Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 10,072	If I remember correctly, your mare is only 3, right? If so, you are going to want to start her very, very slowly or her joints may not hold up. __________________ I have nothing witty or even charming to say at this point.

05-07-2007, 02:02 PM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	Thanks for some of the nice replys..i think she truley enjoys running and turning and going after those barrels....I think i will wait a couple days before i start practicing it..i like to give her a couple days off after a good ride.. So maybe Wednesday i can start working her. I never expect to win all the time, i didnt with my mustang, i just had fun and cheered my friends on when they went in to run. So i need to find her a barrel bit so she knows that bit means time to get down and dirty and of course i need to fix my barrel saddle, the one i got now is well i dont really like it and the stirrups hurt my feet..I havent used my old one in a year.Its the one i used on my mustang.Its very light weight and ohhhh so comfortable.. and when i want to go gaited i can use her gaited bit and the english saddle so she knows to be all dainty and prissy for that..hehe What kind of bit should i be looking for for barrels? __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!

05-07-2007, 02:07 PM
Orchid Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 10,072	Well alrighty then. __________________ I have nothing witty or even charming to say at this point.

05-07-2007, 02:50 PM
almost_mozart Started Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: .....transitioning..... Posts: 2,423	I don't know what you expect? You asked for advice, we gave it, no one was mean, you claim we're "pissed" at you when no one said anything to that effect, and they you say that this isn't you're first time so you know what you're doing. You're going to do what you're going to do and nothing any of us says will change that. I wish you and your horse luck. And as for bits, it totally depends on the horse. There is no set "barrel racing only" bit. Try a snaffle to start.

05-07-2007, 03:36 PM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	What are you talking about being pissed?... Its is my first time with a gaited horse and i havent done barrels in 3 yrs so im a bit rusty with the whole situation and ive never had barrels at my home to practice on so i dont know the distances each barrel is supposed to be during practice and no one has answered that question.. __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!

05-07-2007, 04:37 PM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	If you think im talking about ya being pissed that im running a gaited horse, its not ya its the gaited people i know personally that keep telling me i shouldnt run her but she wants to do it __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!

05-07-2007, 07:00 PM
KatieMae Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: C.FLA Posts: 4,139	After reading this post, I don't see where anybody was being testy about this subject, just offering their opinion on the situation.. Sigh... Can't we all just get along?? As for the distance of the barrels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Barrel_course.png

05-07-2007, 07:18 PM
Fancy's Mom Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 1,466	What do ya keep talking about?????????? I never said any one was testy or pissed at me jeez __________________ My horse is a reflection of me, wanna know me, talk to my horse!