Rearing Problems laying down - Page 2

Horselady44 · 10-15-2009, 08:14 PM

I agree...def get a overall vet check on him. Make sure there are no health issues of why he would be doing this(sore back would be my first thought)
Then what you could also try is getting someone to lead him once you get on him...even if he takes one or two steps stop and reward him....take him back to step one in training...just make walking out fun for him. Treat him like a greenie again and stay consistant

Also, get a trainer out...they can help you out alot!

thekingsgirl07 · 10-15-2009, 08:35 PM

He got vet checked yesterday and they couldnt find any major problems. He is sore from flipping over on me yesterday morning . I cant really afford a trainer or a caropractor (didnt spell right).....i put my sis on him and as long as i lead him hes fine but as soon as i stop he starts to act insecure. He is also carring his head very very low...?

Southriversales · 10-15-2009, 09:00 PM

I definately wouldn't put a tie down on a rearing horse especially one prone to laying down.

I think you really need to start fresh like he is un-started. Get a vet-check if all clears go ahead with training.

He sounds like he is just getting out of work, he lays or rears you get off (even if it's just to grab the tie down) you still get off. I wouldn't sit on him but I wouldn't make it terribly pleasant once he lays down. I would get him up as quickly as possible and lunge or round pen him a good bit, 10-12 laps then get back on try again. This is all pending he is sound and free of any injuries.

I don't think the pain in his hips would be from laying down, there is something more. I have a horse that lays down every day and isn't the most graceful one at it either and she isn't sore.

I would also when riding him, pay very close attention. If you start turning him left and he starts to go up or lay down divert his attention, turn his head right, dis-engage him etc.

He sounds like he has some serious issues that weren't from the trail ride or water. He sounds un-happy and is trying his best to tell you. Maybe give him a couple weeks off, or try a different happier route rather then riding every day do some ground work every other day or work him 3 times a week.

He just sounds like an un-happy, confused horse.

redboy · 10-15-2009, 09:38 PM

[quote=thekingsgirl07;1746640]
Some how he had cut his heel on something its notserious but was a little sore, he was also sore on his hip a little I'm guessing from laying down .
I rubed him down with some Bigeloil and he was fine when i rode him.
We also made some progress today we weent around the round pen onece before we started rearing.
So i had to get off and go get a tiedown and i got back on.
He just stood there for about a half hour. then we laid down again so i lounged him for about an hour with sand bags tied to the saddle.[/quote]

He sounds terribly confused

.
Why are you lunging him with sand bags tied to the saddle??
Also, I would not be putting a tie down on a horse that was prone to rearing or lying down

, he could seriously hurt himself or the rider if he can not use his head and neck properly for balance.
JMO, but if he hasn't injured himself yet, he will with a tie down on.
I would seek a professional to help me with his training issues, after I had him completely checked out by a vet.
Good luck

thekingsgirl07 · 10-15-2009, 09:43 PM

i tied sand bangs to saddle to add weight to the saddle i had the vet there and we wanted to see if it had to do with weight on his back since he wont move with me on him. I have to use the tie down because he does it even worse with out it

redboy · 10-15-2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thekingsgirl07

I have to use the tie down because he does it even worse with out it

Does 'worse' how??

Sunlei · 10-16-2009, 10:10 AM

He may not be laying down, he may be falling down for some reason. A leg can't support him and you when he moves.

Perhaps one of his hind legs along with his back can't support the weight of a rider. He's carrying his head low aswell?

Would NOT put a child on this horse for any reason.

You need a much more in depth Vet exam to find what is the medical problem with this horse. If you can't afford a more extensive specialist check, sometimes a layup for some months will give him time to heal.

When a horse doesn't want to go foward and has naughty-fit and goes down, a rider can sit on the saddle and the horse has the strength to get up with the rider on him.

lovemyTB · 10-16-2009, 10:26 AM

When you are lunging him is it with a saddle on? maybe something is not fitting right? How is he without a saddle. It sounds like to me that you did something on the trail ride that the horse did not like? you mentioned the water, if they have not gone though water before it will take a while to get the horse comfortable enough to go though. You never rush it sometimes it might take a 1/2 hour before he goes though. Horses are very smart and will think of ways to get out of things. One of our horses last year went for a trail ride and decided after that when she was being loaded into a trailer it ment she was going to work so she would not load. They learn the bad stuff really reaaly fast. and it takes a long time to get rid of the habit. go back in the ground work to where he does not act up and start over from there.

thekingsgirl07 · 10-16-2009, 10:45 AM

He rearing gets worse with out the tie down..... With the saddle off it makes no difference. I haven't put a child on him my sis is an experienced rider. She helps me or try to.With the trail ride it has been two years since the incident. Ever since then he has been acting like he does. I had the vet check him ( my mom had to pitch in) xrays exc and he said he was fine ..He was off for about 6 months i was away at school so he became a psture pretty.....I have been working him for the past 4 months and it has gotten worse

Southriversales · 10-17-2009, 09:53 PM

I know you said you can't afford pro training but I would definately look into it. If that's the case then he needs some serious help from a professional and one that is experienced with problem/difficult horses. If you were closer heck, I'd give him a try but you are to far

If you cannot afford training then maybe sell him/give him away as a pasture pet. If he keeps getting worse there is definately something not right, maybe not physical but mentally such as a brain tumor or chemical unbalance.

I'm not saying pawn his problems on someone else but eventually you need to evaluate what's best for the horse/you and apparently if he is getting worse somethings is not working in that match up. I also think putting a tie down is a very bad idea, I don't care if he is better with it on.. all your doing is masking the problem. He needs to be worked without it, it's very dangerous and isn't fixing a thing so chuck it.

Horselady44 · 10-17-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southriversales

I know you said you can't afford pro training but I would definately look into it. If that's the case then he needs some serious help from a professional and one that is experienced with problem/difficult horses. If you were closer heck, I'd give him a try but you are to far

If you cannot afford training then maybe sell him/give him away as a pasture pet. If he keeps getting worse there is definately something not right, maybe not physical but mentally such as a brain tumor or chemical unbalance.

I'm not saying pawn his problems on someone else but eventually you need to evaluate what's best for the horse/you and apparently if he is getting worse somethings is not working in that match up. I also think putting a tie down is a very bad idea, I don't care if he is better with it on.. all your doing is masking the problem. He needs to be worked without it, it's very dangerous and isn't fixing a thing so chuck it.

I agree...this is VERY VERY dangerous...about the worse horse problem out there. Its sooo dangerous...and you def are not going to fix the problem without a trainer...the internet is not going to help you solve this problem. You either need to get a professional in to help you(some trainers will help you out if you do alittle work for them like stall mucking or fencing) Or like said before give him to someone who can get him cured of this problem as this isnt a easy problem to fix unlike a horse who kicks or bites(which is also dangerous just a example)IMO. This is alot more dangerous. It does require a professional. I know you are trying your hardest, but it wont be worth it when he ends up injuring your or your sis or worse. Please get a pro in to help with this dangerous problem.

I might have missed it some where but how old is this horse? Dont take offense to anything said in the forum as we are trying to help, yet keep you safe

thekingsgirl07 · 10-19-2009, 09:46 AM

I have good news ... I am renting out my barn to a trainer . He has agreed to help me with Thunder. As long as i Ride he stud and show him

I am so happy he has agreed to help me. I also have gotte a new filly! i cant come up with a name i will have to post pics! I rode thunder i the arena yesteerday and we actually made it around 2times before we started acting up

ahabarabs · 10-19-2009, 04:13 PM

Good I hope, hopefully trainer is experienced with such things, I am still trying to contact my friends, to ask them, they race as well, so may be gone, will still try to contact for my future usage as well, keep updates coming, and be careful.

gaitedhorse · 10-30-2009, 08:42 AM

I would definitely get a complete vet work up on him. It sounds as if he has something going on in there.

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10-15-2009, 08:14 PM
Horselady44 Started Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 2,395	I agree...def get a overall vet check on him. Make sure there are no health issues of why he would be doing this(sore back would be my first thought) Then what you could also try is getting someone to lead him once you get on him...even if he takes one or two steps stop and reward him....take him back to step one in training...just make walking out fun for him. Treat him like a greenie again and stay consistant Also, get a trainer out...they can help you out alot! __________________ A happy horse equals a happy rider! Last edited by Horselady44 : 10-15-2009 at 09:03 PM.

10-15-2009, 08:35 PM
thekingsgirl07 Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 53	He got vet checked yesterday and they couldnt find any major problems. He is sore from flipping over on me yesterday morning . I cant really afford a trainer or a caropractor (didnt spell right).....i put my sis on him and as long as i lead him hes fine but as soon as i stop he starts to act insecure. He is also carring his head very very low...? __________________ If your horse says no, you either asked the wrong question, or asked the question wrong. ~Pat Parelli ~RIP Sundance~

10-15-2009, 09:00 PM
Southriversales Weanling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 417	I definately wouldn't put a tie down on a rearing horse especially one prone to laying down. I think you really need to start fresh like he is un-started. Get a vet-check if all clears go ahead with training. He sounds like he is just getting out of work, he lays or rears you get off (even if it's just to grab the tie down) you still get off. I wouldn't sit on him but I wouldn't make it terribly pleasant once he lays down. I would get him up as quickly as possible and lunge or round pen him a good bit, 10-12 laps then get back on try again. This is all pending he is sound and free of any injuries. I don't think the pain in his hips would be from laying down, there is something more. I have a horse that lays down every day and isn't the most graceful one at it either and she isn't sore. I would also when riding him, pay very close attention. If you start turning him left and he starts to go up or lay down divert his attention, turn his head right, dis-engage him etc. He sounds like he has some serious issues that weren't from the trail ride or water. He sounds un-happy and is trying his best to tell you. Maybe give him a couple weeks off, or try a different happier route rather then riding every day do some ground work every other day or work him 3 times a week. He just sounds like an un-happy, confused horse. __________________ Rivkah Farm~ Training, sales, consignments, re-habs, lay-ups and rescues! [url]Http://southriversales.tripod.com/rivkahfarm[url]

10-15-2009, 09:38 PM
redboy Started Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland Posts: 2,754	[quote=thekingsgirl07;1746640] Some how he had cut his heel on something its notserious but was a little sore, he was also sore on his hip a little I'm guessing from laying down . I rubed him down with some Bigeloil and he was fine when i rode him. We also made some progress today we weent around the round pen onece before we started rearing. So i had to get off and go get a tiedown and i got back on. He just stood there for about a half hour. then we laid down again so i lounged him for about an hour with sand bags tied to the saddle.[/quote] He sounds terribly confused. Why are you lunging him with sand bags tied to the saddle?? Also, I would not be putting a tie down on a horse that was prone to rearing or lying down, he could seriously hurt himself or the rider if he can not use his head and neck properly for balance. JMO, but if he hasn't injured himself yet, he will with a tie down on. I would seek a professional to help me with his training issues, after I had him completely checked out by a vet. Good luck

10-15-2009, 09:43 PM
thekingsgirl07 Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 53	i tied sand bangs to saddle to add weight to the saddle i had the vet there and we wanted to see if it had to do with weight on his back since he wont move with me on him. I have to use the tie down because he does it even worse with out it __________________ If your horse says no, you either asked the wrong question, or asked the question wrong. ~Pat Parelli ~RIP Sundance~

10-16-2009, 10:10 AM
Sunlei Long Yearling Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,322	He may not be laying down, he may be falling down for some reason. A leg can't support him and you when he moves. Perhaps one of his hind legs along with his back can't support the weight of a rider. He's carrying his head low aswell? Would NOT put a child on this horse for any reason. You need a much more in depth Vet exam to find what is the medical problem with this horse. If you can't afford a more extensive specialist check, sometimes a layup for some months will give him time to heal. When a horse doesn't want to go foward and has naughty-fit and goes down, a rider can sit on the saddle and the horse has the strength to get up with the rider on him.

10-16-2009, 10:26 AM
lovemyTB Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada Posts: 105	When you are lunging him is it with a saddle on? maybe something is not fitting right? How is he without a saddle. It sounds like to me that you did something on the trail ride that the horse did not like? you mentioned the water, if they have not gone though water before it will take a while to get the horse comfortable enough to go though. You never rush it sometimes it might take a 1/2 hour before he goes though. Horses are very smart and will think of ways to get out of things. One of our horses last year went for a trail ride and decided after that when she was being loaded into a trailer it ment she was going to work so she would not load. They learn the bad stuff really reaaly fast. and it takes a long time to get rid of the habit. go back in the ground work to where he does not act up and start over from there.

10-16-2009, 10:45 AM
thekingsgirl07 Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 53	He rearing gets worse with out the tie down..... With the saddle off it makes no difference. I haven't put a child on him my sis is an experienced rider. She helps me or try to.With the trail ride it has been two years since the incident. Ever since then he has been acting like he does. I had the vet check him ( my mom had to pitch in) xrays exc and he said he was fine ..He was off for about 6 months i was away at school so he became a psture pretty.....I have been working him for the past 4 months and it has gotten worse __________________ If your horse says no, you either asked the wrong question, or asked the question wrong. ~Pat Parelli ~RIP Sundance~

10-17-2009, 09:53 PM
Southriversales Weanling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 417	I know you said you can't afford pro training but I would definately look into it. If that's the case then he needs some serious help from a professional and one that is experienced with problem/difficult horses. If you were closer heck, I'd give him a try but you are to far If you cannot afford training then maybe sell him/give him away as a pasture pet. If he keeps getting worse there is definately something not right, maybe not physical but mentally such as a brain tumor or chemical unbalance. I'm not saying pawn his problems on someone else but eventually you need to evaluate what's best for the horse/you and apparently if he is getting worse somethings is not working in that match up. I also think putting a tie down is a very bad idea, I don't care if he is better with it on.. all your doing is masking the problem. He needs to be worked without it, it's very dangerous and isn't fixing a thing so chuck it. __________________ Rivkah Farm~ Training, sales, consignments, re-habs, lay-ups and rescues! [url]Http://southriversales.tripod.com/rivkahfarm[url]

10-19-2009, 09:46 AM
thekingsgirl07 Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 53	I have good news ... I am renting out my barn to a trainer . He has agreed to help me with Thunder. As long as i Ride he stud and show him I am so happy he has agreed to help me. I also have gotte a new filly! i cant come up with a name i will have to post pics! I rode thunder i the arena yesteerday and we actually made it around 2times before we started acting up __________________ If your horse says no, you either asked the wrong question, or asked the question wrong. ~Pat Parelli ~RIP Sundance~

10-19-2009, 04:13 PM
ahabarabs Weanling Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indianapolis, indiana Posts: 487	Good I hope, hopefully trainer is experienced with such things, I am still trying to contact my friends, to ask them, they race as well, so may be gone, will still try to contact for my future usage as well, keep updates coming, and be careful.

10-30-2009, 08:42 AM
gaitedhorse Newborn Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Marion KY Posts: 36	I would definitely get a complete vet work up on him. It sounds as if he has something going on in there.