Bit is Pinching/ripping skin

sli92 · 08-07-2008, 12:32 PM

Okay so it is not as bad as the title makes it sound... I currently have sebastion in this bit' mouthpiece

and it has the same connection to the bit ring as this bit

Anyways, the connecting piece from mouthpiece to rings is pinching the corners of sab's mouth. It even rips little pieces of skin and leaves them sort of flapping. I didnt notice it at first because the ripped pieces look like sunburnt skin flaking off...
This pinching is causing some small head flinging issues while doing dressage...

I was wondering if i could get some opinions... I can't find the same mouthpiece on any other rings (except ordered online, which im worried about the quality)...
I was thinking... if I superglued the rings to the bit, so they couldnt move around, they wouldnt pinch anymore... Does that sound like it could work?

any other ideas? this is the only bit(of the probably 20 I have tried him in) that he has really liked for over 2 weeks...

Amrwmblds2 · 08-07-2008, 12:35 PM

Is the bit big enough?

Why dont you get those rubber bit guards?
http://www.horse.com/Western-Tack/Bi...rds-WBH16.html

Superglueing the rings defeats the purpose of a loose ring snaffle

Carri · 08-07-2008, 12:37 PM

Definitely, get some bit guards!

rm185western · 08-07-2008, 12:39 PM

Yup, bit guards or a different bit

chappel16 · 08-07-2008, 12:40 PM

I dont use loose rings for that reason. The snaffle part slides around the rings, and pinches the side of the face. I show on a regular basis, so I cant ride in bit guards. I either ride in a full cheek or a D-ring.

sli92 · 08-07-2008, 12:49 PM

I would have the bit guards on there already if I didnt have shows regularly... I dont want to take them off for my dressage test and have it pinch him again during and cause some stupidness...

it fits him very nicely actually, which is why this is hard...

do you guys know of anywhere I can get that mouthpiece(quite small bit, in i think 5" , but will check tonight), in any other rings? maybe a full cheek or something?

David · 08-07-2008, 12:55 PM

I'm with chappel on this ( even though I do use loose rings ) I would try a D ring or an eggbut if the loose ring is pinching. I wouldn't think that a full or halfcheek snaffle would pinch anyless than the loose ring simply because those three are jointed in basically the same place.

I'm not a dressage person so I don't know if you are allowed to use these or not but if you are I think they would solve your problem.

Amrwmblds2 · 08-07-2008, 12:58 PM

Here is an 11mm full cheek
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000EZTYZS?...0&linkCode=asn

(standard full cheek is 16mm)

And here they have a 10mm Dee Ring
http://www.chubbypony.com/bits-new.shtml

Carri · 08-07-2008, 01:24 PM

They make a loose ring snaffle that has a metal "guard" (wings) already on it, which might be an option. I believe they are legal for dressage, but you will have to check and make sure.

http://www.doversaddlery.com/st%FCbb...10472/cn/1457/

Tippy · 08-07-2008, 01:29 PM

Sounds like your bit is adjusted to tight. Is there a wrinkle? A properly adjusted bit leaves no wrinkles or smile.

sli92 · 08-07-2008, 02:37 PM

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I would totally go for one of those nice hunter d's(that is the right sized mouthpiece).... but neither are the sweet iron with copper inlay.

I want to make sure its just right before purchasing... he is rediculously picky and gets very tense in not "his" bit.

Tippy- (first off, had to say... my horse's niece that I am trying to sell right now is named Tippy :P ) ... I was always taught that a properly fitting snaffle had 2 wrinkles on both sides... and a properly fitting curb rested right on the corner with no wrinkles...?

Tippy · 08-07-2008, 02:47 PM

A common misconseption. I used to believe the same thing. Until I was taught otherwise (through equine canada) a reputable source. I guarantee if you have no wrinkles you will have no more tearing

sli92 · 08-07-2008, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippy

A common misconseption. I used to believe the same thing. Until I was taught otherwise (through equine canada) a reputable source. I guarantee if you have no wrinkles you will have no more tearing

I will put this to the test tonight... jumping lesson. 1 hole down on both sides, and we will see...

(god I hope your right

)

HighHorse · 08-07-2008, 03:05 PM

Wrinkles or no wrinkles, has his maouth healed before you try it tonight? Otherwise the suggestion Tippy made may not have a fighting chance.

sli92 · 08-07-2008, 03:09 PM

the "rips" im talking about are typically about 1/2 a cm around, very little, from different places... as I said, looks like a peeling piece of skin from sunburn...
they heal within a few hours... no blood... nothing like that, just a little piece of skin falls off...

MatchMaker · 08-07-2008, 03:21 PM

What about this one?
German Silver Eggbutt Offset Dee Snaffle Bit

$37.29Introducing the first of a series of German Silver Bits by "Mayfield" made exclusively for Jeffers. The copper content of German Silver stimulates the flow of saliva through oxidation and enables the horse to accept the bit and relax his jaw. It also allows for more sensitive communication between horse and rider.
5" snaffle mouth.

You can get it from jeffersequine.com. I order stuff from them quite often and they are very reliable. The offset D will help prevent the pinching without giving a huge amount of leverage.

HighHorse · 08-07-2008, 03:22 PM

I personally don't use loose rings anymore. Eggbutts or D-rings are far safer. That said, I don't jump and have no idea what you must use to compete.

Matchmaker- I think she wants a sweetmouth?

There may be something that works for you here:
http://www.kingstons.net.au/category268_1.htm

sli92 · 08-07-2008, 03:27 PM

I agree, eggbutts and drings are safer... now to find a 5' sweet iron, 10mm one of them...
Thanks for the Jeffers site... there are 2 bits on there that might just work... the sweet iron eggbutt, or even the full cheek. I just need to find the size of the mouthpiece...

**gbarmranch** · 08-07-2008, 03:30 PM

Schneiders has some.. they are pricy - but they are having a sale..

KatieMae · 08-07-2008, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sli92

I agree, eggbutts and drings are safer... now to find a 5' sweet iron, 10mm one of them...
Thanks for the Jeffers site... there are 2 bits on there that might just work... the sweet iron eggbutt, or even the full cheek. I just need to find the size of the mouthpiece...

I'd go with the Eggbutt for Dressage, personally..

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08-07-2008, 12:32 PM
sli92 Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 596	Bit is Pinching/ripping skin Okay so it is not as bad as the title makes it sound... I currently have sebastion in this bit' mouthpiece and it has the same connection to the bit ring as this bit Anyways, the connecting piece from mouthpiece to rings is pinching the corners of sab's mouth. It even rips little pieces of skin and leaves them sort of flapping. I didnt notice it at first because the ripped pieces look like sunburnt skin flaking off... This pinching is causing some small head flinging issues while doing dressage... I was wondering if i could get some opinions... I can't find the same mouthpiece on any other rings (except ordered online, which im worried about the quality)... I was thinking... if I superglued the rings to the bit, so they couldnt move around, they wouldnt pinch anymore... Does that sound like it could work? any other ideas? this is the only bit(of the probably 20 I have tried him in) that he has really liked for over 2 weeks... __________________ ~Sarah * PA Sebastion(Oh CanadaxCrystal Vision)

08-07-2008, 12:35 PM
Amrwmblds2 Long Yearling Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,378	Is the bit big enough? Why dont you get those rubber bit guards? http://www.horse.com/Western-Tack/Bi...rds-WBH16.html Superglueing the rings defeats the purpose of a loose ring snaffle __________________ www.NewEnglandWarmbloods.com Breeding and Training Quality Sporthorses

08-07-2008, 12:37 PM
Carri Bombproof Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia Posts: 10,086	Definitely, get some bit guards! __________________

08-07-2008, 12:39 PM
rm185western Greenbroke Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Saskatchewan,Canada Posts: 3,662	Yup, bit guards or a different bit __________________ ________________________________ Okay, who put a stop payment on my reality check?

08-07-2008, 12:40 PM
chappel16 Long Yearling Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oviedo Florida Posts: 1,043	I dont use loose rings for that reason. The snaffle part slides around the rings, and pinches the side of the face. I show on a regular basis, so I cant ride in bit guards. I either ride in a full cheek or a D-ring. __________________

08-07-2008, 12:49 PM
sli92 Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 596	I would have the bit guards on there already if I didnt have shows regularly... I dont want to take them off for my dressage test and have it pinch him again during and cause some stupidness... it fits him very nicely actually, which is why this is hard... do you guys know of anywhere I can get that mouthpiece(quite small bit, in i think 5" , but will check tonight), in any other rings? maybe a full cheek or something? __________________ ~Sarah * PA Sebastion(Oh CanadaxCrystal Vision)

08-07-2008, 12:55 PM
David Long Yearling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,066	I'm with chappel on this ( even though I do use loose rings ) I would try a D ring or an eggbut if the loose ring is pinching. I wouldn't think that a full or halfcheek snaffle would pinch anyless than the loose ring simply because those three are jointed in basically the same place. I'm not a dressage person so I don't know if you are allowed to use these or not but if you are I think they would solve your problem. __________________ "If you see your stirrups slap together above the horn, you're probably bucked off". Dave Stamey.

08-07-2008, 12:58 PM
Amrwmblds2 Long Yearling Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,378	Here is an 11mm full cheek http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000EZTYZS?...0&linkCode=asn (standard full cheek is 16mm) And here they have a 10mm Dee Ring http://www.chubbypony.com/bits-new.shtml __________________ www.NewEnglandWarmbloods.com Breeding and Training Quality Sporthorses Last edited by Amrwmblds2 : 08-07-2008 at 01:02 PM.

08-07-2008, 01:24 PM
Carri Bombproof Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia Posts: 10,086	They make a loose ring snaffle that has a metal "guard" (wings) already on it, which might be an option. I believe they are legal for dressage, but you will have to check and make sure. http://www.doversaddlery.com/st%FCbb...10472/cn/1457/ __________________

08-07-2008, 01:29 PM
Tippy Long Yearling Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 1,061	Sounds like your bit is adjusted to tight. Is there a wrinkle? A properly adjusted bit leaves no wrinkles or smile. __________________

08-07-2008, 02:37 PM
sli92 Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 596	Thanks for the suggestions guys. I would totally go for one of those nice hunter d's(that is the right sized mouthpiece).... but neither are the sweet iron with copper inlay. I want to make sure its just right before purchasing... he is rediculously picky and gets very tense in not "his" bit. Tippy- (first off, had to say... my horse's niece that I am trying to sell right now is named Tippy :P ) ... I was always taught that a properly fitting snaffle had 2 wrinkles on both sides... and a properly fitting curb rested right on the corner with no wrinkles...? __________________ ~Sarah * PA Sebastion(Oh CanadaxCrystal Vision)

08-07-2008, 02:47 PM
Tippy Long Yearling Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 1,061	A common misconseption. I used to believe the same thing. Until I was taught otherwise (through equine canada) a reputable source. I guarantee if you have no wrinkles you will have no more tearing __________________

08-07-2008, 03:05 PM
HighHorse Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 2,908	Wrinkles or no wrinkles, has his maouth healed before you try it tonight? Otherwise the suggestion Tippy made may not have a fighting chance. __________________ I played with a clouded leopard

08-07-2008, 03:09 PM
sli92 Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 596	the "rips" im talking about are typically about 1/2 a cm around, very little, from different places... as I said, looks like a peeling piece of skin from sunburn... they heal within a few hours... no blood... nothing like that, just a little piece of skin falls off... __________________ ~Sarah * PA Sebastion(Oh CanadaxCrystal Vision)

08-07-2008, 03:21 PM
MatchMaker Halter broke Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 178	What about this one? German Silver Eggbutt Offset Dee Snaffle Bit $37.29Introducing the first of a series of German Silver Bits by "Mayfield" made exclusively for Jeffers. The copper content of German Silver stimulates the flow of saliva through oxidation and enables the horse to accept the bit and relax his jaw. It also allows for more sensitive communication between horse and rider. 5" snaffle mouth. You can get it from jeffersequine.com. I order stuff from them quite often and they are very reliable. The offset D will help prevent the pinching without giving a huge amount of leverage.

08-07-2008, 03:22 PM
HighHorse Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 2,908	I personally don't use loose rings anymore. Eggbutts or D-rings are far safer. That said, I don't jump and have no idea what you must use to compete. Matchmaker- I think she wants a sweetmouth? There may be something that works for you here: http://www.kingstons.net.au/category268_1.htm __________________ I played with a clouded leopard Last edited by HighHorse : 08-07-2008 at 03:26 PM.

08-07-2008, 03:27 PM
sli92 Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 596	I agree, eggbutts and drings are safer... now to find a 5' sweet iron, 10mm one of them... Thanks for the Jeffers site... there are 2 bits on there that might just work... the sweet iron eggbutt, or even the full cheek. I just need to find the size of the mouthpiece... __________________ ~Sarah * PA Sebastion(Oh CanadaxCrystal Vision)

08-07-2008, 03:30 PM
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