In Need of Show names for my stud colt. - Page 3

horsegirl4 · 10-22-2009, 12:30 PM

I will have to get some more pictures later.
His name will be Galazys dun Deal

my mare I had for 10 years, she raised my gelding who is now 8. When I got Zack she didn't want him she gave him to my gelding that was almost 2 weeks ago so I believe she knew she wasn't going to be around long.

doodlebug007 · 10-22-2009, 02:03 PM

But I have already talked to AQHA about it and they said I could. If he was OVER 48 months then I would have to show parent verification. His will be listed as unproven.

i dont think thats possible. they dont do that unproven or unknown stuff, havent since the registry stopped doing inspections, which was at the very beginning.

if hes dun, hell have to have photographic evidence of it to prove it.

foals his age often have counter shading that appears like dun markings sometimes very extreme.

enchanting · 10-22-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GV4

Enchanting...I know LOTS of people who show their geldings in showmanship and do extremely well. In fact, my stallion and I just won our showmanship class of 14 entries at the Gypsy breed show. I have also shown him in open shows against QH and the like and am always in the top 5. I really think it depends on the horse, not the gender.

I was giving my perspective of what I have seen. I stated it wasn't common, but I didn't state it was never done actually I gave an example where I know someone that does it. I have never been to a Gypsy show (I would love to go, I have a friend in TX with Gypsy horses), out of those 14 horses how many were stallions? Out of all the showing I have done at open shows in my area, and the ApHC breed shows I have been to (this year we were in Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin), I have only seen a small handful of stallions ever in a showmanship class. I would say only 1 in 10 shows that I have been to have had a stallion in showmanship. I have seen many more in pleasure, halter, cow classes, and speed events.

If you look at the over all number of horses in a showmanship class the numbers tend to be split pretty even between mares and geldings, not evenly between mares, geldings, and stallions, but few of the classes are split evenly between the three. One show I went to was divided into thirds. There was a total of three horses, one stallion (the lady I had in my example that shows in everything), one mare (mine), and one gelding.

I think one reason for fewer stallions, is that stallions are advertised for stud for the abilities they pass on, showmanship and equitation are supposed to be judged on the handler, not on the horse. Of course if your horse can't pick up the correct lead, or turn nice pivots it doesn't matter how good the handler is, the chance of placing is slim (at least in our area).

kanoo32 · 10-22-2009, 04:18 PM

Nice name.....I presume you will be keeping him a stallion then??? There is always room for a few more of those......Good luck, he sure is cute right now.....

paintedpastures · 10-22-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kanoo32

Nice name.....I presume you will be keeping him a stallion then??? There is always room for a few more of those......Good luck, he sure is cute right now.....

Really

Slim Pikkens · 10-22-2009, 07:14 PM

Unknowing friend attended an auction and was smitten with a b&w yearling stud colt. She was excited as she handed me his papers. I bo't a registered Paint. When I read the papers his color was registered with the Pinto Association, that's it.

michlar · 10-22-2009, 07:23 PM

If only it was this easy to register a horse...I have a filly that we are trying to register. I own the mare now( registered appaloosa), she was transfered into my name almost a year ago but because the stud is AQHA and not a registered stud with the appaloosa association, I am having some issues. She will be registered as an app, breeding stock likely. But man oh man, I need the breeding certificate filled out but the owners of the stud are avoiding our breeder because they owe her money....the politics of the horse business, I tell ya what!!

tennhorse · 10-22-2009, 08:26 PM

I have two suggestins: Simply Dunning or Dunalope.

ChasnCans · 10-22-2009, 08:41 PM

This is IMO, like it or not. But I would Not keep him a stud.

Sorry to say, but you will NOT be able to reg. him with AQHA, and most doubtfully the buckskin ass.

Unless he drastically changes color within a few month, good luck though.

If and when you breed him in the future just keep in mind will you be undoutfully helping populate and assits backyard breeders.

ETA: Putting anytype of "DUN" name is kinda like false advertisment, seeing as he is not hollywood dun it, or any of the 'DUN' names .. weird... again just my opinion.

kanoo32 · 10-22-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by paintedpastures

Really

NOT!!!

Amrwmblds2 · 10-23-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChasnCans

ETA: Putting anytype of "DUN" name is kinda like false advertisment, seeing as he is not hollywood dun it, or any of the 'DUN' names .. weird... again just my opinion.

I agree with this- I dont know a lot about QH breeding- but when I see DUN anything in a name I relate it to Hollywood Dun it SOMEWHERE in the pedigree

Also- Galazy is also not his mother, so while I appreciate you are trying to name him after her, I think thats a little odd too to have her in the name considering they arent related AT ALL

But really I guess it doesn't matter since I agree, he won't be able to be registered AQHA, so you could name him whatever you want.......

Range · 10-23-2009, 07:38 AM

The American Horse Registry is the only registry I know that will register a stallion with unknown parentage.

I would go ahead and have him color tested so you know for sure. People are going to wonder a LOT if he has "dun" in his name, no dun ancestors, and isn't dun.

lovemyTB · 10-23-2009, 07:55 AM

you can register him as an appendix, they have a hardship registration option. you don't need to know the dam or sire.

MiniHorseFosterMom · 10-23-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lovemyTB

you can register him as an appendix, they have a hardship registration option. you don't need to know the dam or sire.

Not for an appendix QH you can't.

Link to the registration rules - http://www.aqha.com/association/regi...onrules_09.pdf

**Diamond_Y** · 10-23-2009, 08:48 AM

You've got a cute little colt. Name him whatever you like. Geld him and enjoy him. Just know that you will never get him registered with AQHA unless you come up with a breeder's certificate.

Red Gate Farm · 10-23-2009, 10:45 AM

There is no "hardship" clause in AQHA. I searched the entire chapter on Registration for the AQHA rules and the word "hardship" doesn't appear. Please get that out of your head, it gives people false hope.

If you can prove me wrong, please quote the AQHA rules. I'm always open to learning something new.

kanoo32 · 10-23-2009, 11:01 AM

Could someone please explain to me the point of registering a horse that has no pedigree

Isn't the whole purpose of a Registry to provide verifiable proof of lineage??

So if you register a horse with no verifiable pedigree....what is the point??? I am so lost....it is like getting a dog from the pound and putting papers on him....he is still a mutt!!!

My point being....will you love him more with papers?? Or is there another reason to find a way in the backdoor of a registry to get papers for a horse with no pedigree??

Horselady44 · 10-23-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kanoo32

Could someone please explain to me the point of registering a horse that has no pedigree

Isn't the whole purpose of a Registry to provide verifiable proof of lineage??

So if you register a horse with no verifiable pedigree....what is the point??? I am so lost....it is like getting a dog from the pound and putting papers on him....he is still a mutt!!!

The only reason I could think of is to show his age...and to be able to identify him by having his markings put down

I guess....plus for resale maybe...although I wouldnt buy a horse with 'papers' that didnt have anything on him about his pedigree espiecally a stud....but thats just me.

To the OP...i would def geld this boy...he is a nice looking colt...but you will enjoy him alot more as a gelding...and no one is going to want to breed to a stud with no pedigree

Geld him and enjoy him. Hes a beautiful boy and we would love to see some more pictures of him. No one is trying to criticize you...we are just offer advice...and its probably more than what you are asking for beings this thread just says you wanted a name for your boy...but we just hate seeing all the backyard breeders and unwanted grade horses

So, dont take offense to it....we are just trying to give our opinions and advice

kanoo32 · 10-23-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Horselady44

The only reason I could think of is to show his age...and to be able to identify him by having his markings put down

I guess....plus for resale maybe...although I wouldnt buy a horse with 'papers' that didnt have anything on him about his pedigree espiecally a stud....but thats just me.

To the OP...i would def geld this boy...he is a nice looking colt...but you will enjoy him alot more as a gelding...and no one is going to want to breed to a stud with no pedigree

Geld him and enjoy him. Hes a beautiful boy and we would love to see some more pictures of him. No one is trying to criticize you...we are just offer advice...and its probably more than what you are asking for beings this thread just says you wanted a name for your boy...but we just hate seeing all the backyard breeders and unwanted grade horses

So, dont take offense to it....we are just trying to give our opinions and advice

A coggins and health certificate will do that......

And, no I am not criticising anyone, but, yes I am tired of paying the price for people that breed backyard horses that flood our market and stop up the pipes with mediocre animals that are not marketable and have nowhere to go, driving down the prices of good quality stock causing our industry to constantly struggle......

Sorry if my questions and opinion offends anyone......I get offended by the practices mentioned above, when my sole source of income is derived from the horse industry........

GV4 · 10-23-2009, 11:37 AM

Enchanting...I didn't mean to sound like I was wanting to argue, I really wasn't! And I also noticed that I put gelding in the post when I meant stallion.

Out of the 14 horses in the showmanship class I was speaking of, 6 were stallions. I have not done much showing outside of the Gypsy horse world, so maybe it is something that isn't done often. I do see several stallions in the local open shows as well, though. And not always the same stallions.

I understand the idea that showmanship and horsemanship is based on the handler or rider, but I also think it speaks volumes to have a stallion that can put a pattern together consistently and in a fluid manner. Oh, and with no Vicks either!

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10-22-2009, 12:30 PM
horsegirl4 Yearling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In the Saddle Posts: 826	I will have to get some more pictures later. His name will be Galazys dun Deal my mare I had for 10 years, she raised my gelding who is now 8. When I got Zack she didn't want him she gave him to my gelding that was almost 2 weeks ago so I believe she knew she wasn't going to be around long. __________________ Galazy ~Dec. 22 1983 - Oct. 21 2006~ RIP ~ My sweet Gal-Gal Girl, I'll see you again in heaven! Unique Fashion Jewelers

10-22-2009, 02:03 PM
doodlebug007 Halter broke Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North America Posts: 88	But I have already talked to AQHA about it and they said I could. If he was OVER 48 months then I would have to show parent verification. His will be listed as unproven. i dont think thats possible. they dont do that unproven or unknown stuff, havent since the registry stopped doing inspections, which was at the very beginning. if hes dun, hell have to have photographic evidence of it to prove it. foals his age often have counter shading that appears like dun markings sometimes very extreme.

10-22-2009, 04:18 PM
kanoo32 Seasoned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 4,501	Nice name.....I presume you will be keeping him a stallion then??? There is always room for a few more of those......Good luck, he sure is cute right now..... __________________ "Animals are such agreeable friends--they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms..." --George Eliot In Loving Memory of Spikey...My Best Friend...I Miss You RIP 1988-2009

10-22-2009, 07:14 PM
Slim Pikkens Seasoned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,047	Unknowing friend attended an auction and was smitten with a b&w yearling stud colt. She was excited as she handed me his papers. I bo't a registered Paint. When I read the papers his color was registered with the Pinto Association, that's it.

10-22-2009, 07:23 PM
michlar Yearling Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: saskatchewan Posts: 589	If only it was this easy to register a horse...I have a filly that we are trying to register. I own the mare now( registered appaloosa), she was transfered into my name almost a year ago but because the stud is AQHA and not a registered stud with the appaloosa association, I am having some issues. She will be registered as an app, breeding stock likely. But man oh man, I need the breeding certificate filled out but the owners of the stud are avoiding our breeder because they owe her money....the politics of the horse business, I tell ya what!! __________________ The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears. ~Arabian Proverb Happy to follow Dutchess to the end of the world and back!

10-22-2009, 08:26 PM
tennhorse Newborn Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2	Two Name Suggestions I have two suggestins: Simply Dunning or Dunalope.

10-22-2009, 08:41 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	This is IMO, like it or not. But I would Not keep him a stud. Sorry to say, but you will NOT be able to reg. him with AQHA, and most doubtfully the buckskin ass. Unless he drastically changes color within a few month, good luck though. If and when you breed him in the future just keep in mind will you be undoutfully helping populate and assits backyard breeders. ETA: Putting anytype of "DUN" name is kinda like false advertisment, seeing as he is not hollywood dun it, or any of the 'DUN' names .. weird... again just my opinion. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart Last edited by ChasnCans : 10-22-2009 at 08:44 PM.

10-23-2009, 07:38 AM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,739	The American Horse Registry is the only registry I know that will register a stallion with unknown parentage. I would go ahead and have him color tested so you know for sure. People are going to wonder a LOT if he has "dun" in his name, no dun ancestors, and isn't dun. __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery

10-23-2009, 07:55 AM
lovemyTB Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada Posts: 105	you can register him as an appendix, they have a hardship registration option. you don't need to know the dam or sire.

10-23-2009, 08:48 AM
Diamond_Y Administrator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Texas Posts: 4,717	You've got a cute little colt. Name him whatever you like. Geld him and enjoy him. Just know that you will never get him registered with AQHA unless you come up with a breeder's certificate. __________________ Diamond Y Quarter Horses - Breeders of Quality Foundation Quarter Horses Home of King of Cooke County, 2004 Perlino son of Cooke County ETC

10-23-2009, 10:45 AM
Red Gate Farm Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,361	There is no "hardship" clause in AQHA. I searched the entire chapter on Registration for the AQHA rules and the word "hardship" doesn't appear. Please get that out of your head, it gives people false hope. If you can prove me wrong, please quote the AQHA rules. I'm always open to learning something new. __________________ "Humans is sneaky" - Scotty

10-23-2009, 11:01 AM
kanoo32 Seasoned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 4,501	Could someone please explain to me the point of registering a horse that has no pedigreeIsn't the whole purpose of a Registry to provide verifiable proof of lineage?? So if you register a horse with no verifiable pedigree....what is the point??? I am so lost....it is like getting a dog from the pound and putting papers on him....he is still a mutt!!! My point being....will you love him more with papers?? Or is there another reason to find a way in the backdoor of a registry to get papers for a horse with no pedigree?? __________________ "Animals are such agreeable friends--they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms..." --George Eliot In Loving Memory of Spikey...My Best Friend...I Miss You RIP 1988-2009

10-23-2009, 11:37 AM
GV4 Halter broke Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: OH Posts: 94	Enchanting...I didn't mean to sound like I was wanting to argue, I really wasn't! And I also noticed that I put gelding in the post when I meant stallion. Out of the 14 horses in the showmanship class I was speaking of, 6 were stallions. I have not done much showing outside of the Gypsy horse world, so maybe it is something that isn't done often. I do see several stallions in the local open shows as well, though. And not always the same stallions. I understand the idea that showmanship and horsemanship is based on the handler or rider, but I also think it speaks volumes to have a stallion that can put a pattern together consistently and in a fluid manner. Oh, and with no Vicks either!