New AMHA Rule

[Skylight]

I just found out that AMHA is now requiring membership to do paperwork like the AMHR does. When before you could do AMHA paperwork just pay a higher non-member fee which is what i was doing. All of my minis are AMHR but only a few are also AMHA so it isnt really worth it for me to join AMHA. I have my stallion, a colt, and 2 mares. Not really worth putting out an extra 75 a year. Anyone else not happy?

[kaykay]

we stopped being AMHA members years ago. We only have one amha show here and I just didnt agree with so many of their policies.

I think for small farms it gets very hard to be members of both and pay double fees on each horse. I think you just have to take a hard look and see if there is any benefit to joining both.

[TheUpNorthCowgirl]

Yupp I stopped renewing my AMHA membership 10 years ago. I am strictly AMHR now. AMHR is a little pricey now too, but not near as bad as AMHA and the rules and regs are still much different from AMHR.

[horselady]

I stopped with amha years ago also, even tho I have some that are double registered.
to much money going out each year and even amhr membership is high, they want to send the journal with all the showings and I am not happy with my district editor.
but I do keep up just to sell papers with the babies.

[Skylight]

AMHR is high it was a big shock when they went from 45 to 65. Dont know what we'll do if they get to be 100! I know that they include the membership to the breed magazine like the Journal in the price but it would suit me fine not to get the Journal in order to keep the membership price lower. I was going to try to get a few more double reg mares but now i'm thinking i'll just stick to AMHR. I like them better anyways. When i show its AMHR. I've never even been to an AMHA show.

I wonder if theres anyway we could vote to lower prices? Probably not.

[horselady]

Puleeeezzzeeee I contacted them every month by mail never got an answer. I even called and left messages.
Go and find out the pres of the amhr puts out the Journal. So of course he is not going to reduce price of membership,
all that money going into production of the magazine, plus all the pictures and advertising. He buys a New Truck every year and we pay for it.
But to have the little one registered, that is the price we pay.
The pictures of the little, clean, thin horses are cute, but I love my fuzzy chunky minis the best.
Hidden Hills Hot Shot

[kaykay]

Okay hang on a second The Journal is not put out by the President. The editor is Amy Roberts and she is an amazing person. I have an advertising group that runs 2 page ads in the Journal so Im pretty familiar with how it goes. I also sit on 2 ASPC/AMHR committees

No registry is perfect thats for sure.

ASPC/AMHR had to raise membership fees because as we all know prices continue to rise. So remember the ASPC/AMHR has to pay salaries for all those office workers to run this registry etc. People always yell that they want more services but no one wants to pay higher membership.

I dont like paying higher fees either but I do know prices go up and this was the first increase ASPC/AMHR had had in years.

The president and all other officer positions are voluntary and they do not get paid. They do get reimbursed for travel to meetings but thats about it. Really think about the time it must take to run such a huge organization and not get paid for it Our current President is Larry Parnell who is also a very well known trainer/handler and that is how he makes his money.

[horselady]

I am a member since 1993 and the rates have gone up dramatically,
When the journal first came out it was by paid subscription and no one wanted to buy it, I did because I was interested in knowing more about the breeders and the shows that were in my area. Even tho My area was just about void in the journal.
Than one year the rate for the membership included the journal.
I called the office and the secretary did mention to me that the president and the Journal officer/.owner were the same. that was about 10 years ago.(maybe she was pulling my leg)
Sure money has to be made to have the staff work and pay postage., I do understand all that, My only beef with the Journal for the minis, and also for the other breed organizations, is that it is included with the membership.
Seperate it again and alot more people with join as members.

I am sure that the officers are not doing the work for free, and I know Larry Parnell also., He has been showing and an officer for alot of years.
and he does make money off the the amhr,

There are alot more members of all associations for horses, so perhaps the price can come down.

[2manyminis]

I'm a small farm and I am a member of both AMHA & AMHR. It';s worth it to me in the long run & opens up more avenues to show my horses in both A & R shows.

I also like the fact that AMHA requires DNA testing for their horses- I have seen too many unregistered horses being sold as another R registered horse by less than reputable breeders

I don't worry about the cost- if it's worth doing- it's worth doing right, IMO. Though I can understand if you only run mainly R registered horses & it isn't worth your time to bother with just one horse that is A registered.

[kaykay]

As a breeder of small equine its in my best interest to see all registries do well even if Im not a member of AMHA I do not want to see it do badly. Its just not the registry for ME. I was a previous member for years.

Horselady I have no idea why anyone would have told you that the president owns the Journal. That simply makes no sense as the office of President changes quite frequently.

Many people have brought up separating the Journal from the membership fee. But someone has to take the time to write a proprosal and present it at convention. I was told the reason they stopped doing that option is because the Journal is the "newsletter" of the association. Its not just pretty pictures to look at. Any rules changes, board meetings etc are addressed in the Journal. So if you are a member but do not get the Journal how will you stay informed on changes made??

I have friends who sit on the Board and I can guarantee you they do not get paid. Its a thankless job and not one many people want as it is a huge time commitment etc.

Now having said all that I think there is room for a lot of good changes in the ASPC/AMHR, but I know I cannot commit the time to make a proposal, go to convention, volunteer to be on the board etc.

[okiegal]

Our little guy is AMHA/AMHR and I haven't sent his transfer papers to either association yet - yikes! Do AMHA and AMHR have Youth memberships like APHA does? Image technically belongs to my daughter (I just pretend he is really mine).

My other daughter has our family's only APHA membership and both paints are hers and are registered to her and it is cheaper that way.


Would it be less expensive to do a youth membership and submit his papers that way?

Thanks

[2manyminis]

They do have youth memberships, but I think only as a secondary membership- meaning an adult still has to join- at least I know R is that way. Right now A has a lifetime membership for the youth meaning you pay $10 and it is good till your child turns 18.

[kaykay]

AMHR has a youth membership too and its good until they turn 18. But now you have to apply every year but you only pay once.

A youth applying on their own has to have an AMHR member in good standing sign the application for them.

I would really think about that though as if you ever had to sell the horse youth cannot sign a contract until they are 18 so you may run into some headaches if you ever have to sell the horse

My son Kyle owns several horses but his papers say Kay or Kyle Baxter.

[okiegal]

Originally Posted by kaykay

I would really think about that though as if you ever had to sell the horse youth cannot sign a contract until they are 18 so you may run into some headaches if you ever have to sell the horse

My son Kyle owns several horses but his papers say Kay or Kyle Baxter.

Oh yikes! I'd better call APHA and find out if this is the case with them as well, as we are planning on selling one of my daughter's mares soon!! Can't I just sign for her or after her? I think once upon a time one of the AQHA horses we purchased had been owned by a minor and we didn't have any issues....

Thanks for the heads up!!!

[kaykay]

Youth can sign the papers but when most people sell a horse they require to buyer to sign a contract. Because the horse is in a youths name the youth legally cannot sign a binding contract so many buyers will refuse to buy from a youth. You can probably sign the contract with your youth. Im not sure how other registries do it. I just know this came up a few years back with a youth selling horses and it was a mess. Now if your youth just signs a horse over with no contract then its probably not a big deal. But I would never recommend buying or selling a horse without a written contract.

I would think you would sign as "legal guardian"

But again I think its easiest to just put the horse in the youths name and the parents name so theres no problems if the horse is ever sold

Kay

[ToveroMom]

I do not show minis-I do not need the Journal..I very definately think that purchasing a Journal from ANY registry should be up to the member.

[Skylight]

It would seem to me that the AMHA is going to loose money because of this. I know that they will be loosing my money. If you only have one AMHA foal a year it cost less to pay the higher non-member fees than it would if you were a member and paid the lower member paper work fees.

Like Non-member to Reg. a foal from birth to 4 months was 60 but for a member it was 20 + 75 member fee = 95!

Course I usually just sell the AMHA babies with application and just pay the 25 to submit the stud report. But now i wont even be able to do that.

So now i'll just send the stud report with each eligible baby and then they can decide if they want to pay the huge fees.