Two in Need:(pics added)

ChasnCans · 10-26-2009, 08:56 PM

Idea and input .. good feeding advice ....

I've come across two 3yo studs.

Horse number 1; Supposed to go back to Secretariat and Pacific Bailey. He is not reg. But they said they have a note or something like that on him. Breeding doens't matter. Light bay, thin blaze and cornet band around the left ankle, very small, looks like a yearling .. has not be handled at all.

Horse number two; Arabian x QH. Poor conformation, could be a cute kids horse with work. Light palomino, blaze. Also small but has been halterd.

Both horses are very touchable, not wild as far as I've noticed. The bay has weird scabby bumps on his ears, almost looks like rain rot. Both horses are underweight, lady is going through a divorce and cannot take care of them.

I'm simply offering a home, where once back to full health will be cut handled and broke to ride. They need alot of work ..

This is what I planned on feeding them for now until I know of something better. Both horses will be stalled and blanketed over winter, there coats are not quite KS winter ready and they are thin, this way I might be able to get weight on them a little better.

senior feed, corn oil, maybe some type of weight builder, alfa cubs (limited amount)

She said they've been wormed, but I was wondering what if they aren't? Should I go ahead and re-worm them or could that hurt them??

I've taken in other horses before, just none like this ......

ETA: I will get pics as soon as I go back to look, or pick them up.

Horselady44 · 10-26-2009, 09:00 PM

Do they look wormy? How long ago were they wormed? If it was recent you may want to wait a month. Aside from what you are planning for them...I would also give them free choice grass hay...that will make the world of difference for them

ChasnCans · 10-26-2009, 09:03 PM

Got the free choice hay down ..

Yes, I would say they look wormy, but she said she wormed them like the day we went out to look at them.

Question is .. how could she possibly worm them if she can't even handle them?? Maybe she gave them some kind of pelleted wormer, mixed in with feed? She didn't really say much .. They have that typical belly .. ribs showing, hips .. everything.

Horselady44 · 10-26-2009, 09:12 PM

Hmmm...She may have just been saying that she wormed them it sounds like to me...I think I would probably go ahead and worm them if it were me and they look wormey

AnaBellesMoM · 10-28-2009, 11:16 AM

Good point if she can't even handle them how could she have wormed them? She might be just saying that just to say it. I would worm them again just to be sure. At least them you'll know.

pippy · 10-28-2009, 11:57 AM

I brought one similar home this past spring- the gal had said the yearling had been dewormed, but I beg to differ- looked darn wormy to me. I went ahead and dewormed anyway. Mine was also skinny - so much so that the neighbours of the gal I had got him from had called the humane society on them. They then moved the horses to a different pasture where he gained a bit of weight but still underweight when we brought him home.
I am not sure that the Senior feed would be a good choice for a younger developing horse- the vitamin content in those mixes are developed for a mature horse. I personally have been feeding mine beet pulp mixed with Safe Choice (Nutrena), hay and salt block/water, limited turn out to pasture.

IdelleArab · 10-28-2009, 12:12 PM

I'm not one to recommend grain, but I would suggest a Probiotic to help w/ their digestion and maybe flax (Omega Horseshine works great) to help w/ skin and coat.

You may want to consider a Penacur Power Pac followed up by Ivermectin once they get settled in to get rid of all the worms/larve.

Good Luck!

Rockin GR · 10-28-2009, 12:28 PM

They'll be fine on a senior feed at this point. Equine Senior is actually FANTASTIC stuff to rehab a nutritionally deficient horse! Age doesn't matter. It's easy to chew and very easy to digest, and very effieciently digested at that. Plus, it wouldn't require a probiotic with it! I feed it to my 4 year old who doesn't eat hay well, and she's grown 2 inches (since starting her on it in June). She was on Strategy (which would be another good choice for them) before, so she didn't start out deficient in any way. If you are worried that they aren't getting enough vitamins and minerals with Senior, just topdress a little scoop of a 12-12-12 mineral daily. I'd probably add a flake of alfalfa to the free choice hay, especially since we're headed into winter...but that's just me.

I would deworm them, reguardless of what I was told by the owner. And the PowerPac would certainly be in their favor, but anything will help. As long as they haven't been done in the last 7-10 days, there is no risk of over doing it.

Oh! And the bay's ear bumps will likely go away once his health improves. They are most likely irritations from mites. All horses (all animals actually, including humans) have them around the ears, nose and mouth, but a health animals immune systems will fight off any symptoms or overpopulation. Or it could just be sebboriah, which again should clear up with improved health. If you feel like you need to do something about it, just rub a cotton ball or pad, doused in Listerene, lightly over the area. If it is a surface fugus or bacteria, it will clear it right up. But I'd befriend him first, establish trust, so that you don't freak him out.

Danni L · 10-28-2009, 01:34 PM

i second the beet pulp. for my under weight colt i mixed beet pulp with a pellet formulated for growing youngsters, and at first a bit of sweet feed to get him interested. grew 4+ inches over the summer. where i board the lady uses beet pulp to fatten up her extremely hard keeping ottbs.

horselady · 10-28-2009, 01:48 PM

Whatever you do, go slow, Just bring them home and for a couple of weeks just feed lots of hay and increase the grain than worm with an ivermectin than in a couple more weeks power pak.
doing a power pak on a undernourished horse might cause colic. everything in small amounts.is the key.
I have taken in alot of thin maltreated horses and have had great success with this routine.
Adding alot of other food stuff can cause alot of problems. We have done the beet pulp and soaked alfalfa cubes but only after the horses have been here for over 6 weeks.
good for you for taking them in. they are young and will bounce back quickly.

ChasnCans · 10-28-2009, 04:10 PM

Thanks for all the help guys.

As of now I have no idea if its going to go threw or not, she won't respond to my emails or calls .. Poor things. I'm a little irate.

Horselady44 · 11-01-2009, 12:27 AM

I hope she responds soon! Keep us updated

ChasnCans · 11-02-2009, 02:18 PM

Good news, I should be picking them up this week, Hopfully tomarrow or wed. So I will get pics up soon. Wish me luck.

SheriK · 11-02-2009, 03:09 PM

Good luck. Have they ever even been in a trailer? Shoul be interesting if not

Post pics when you get home. Poor guys. Will you have them gelded right away?

ChasnCans · 11-04-2009, 02:40 PM

Picking them up in a few hours, wish me luck, I may need it.

No, I don't belive they've been in a trailer before. She said she had the trailer out there and put food in there for shelter, and one got in. What we are planning to do is just try and load them like cattle, they are in a a round pen right now. I think we'll just back the trailer up (im going to use a stock trailer, I figure that would be ALOT easier.) and try and get them in that way. Then when we get them home we'll just back into the barn a little ways and put some pannels up to direct them to different stalls and let them settle in. Then in the next few days I'll try and halter them ..

I'll get pics tonight.

SheriK · 11-04-2009, 02:50 PM

Good luck

Can't wait to see the pictures when you get home.

ChasnCans · 11-04-2009, 08:55 PM

got them home safely. The loaded just fine. They are now tucked away in stalls for the night until morning when I will be able to let them out.

I didn't get a chance to get pics, it was dark when we got home and the cell phone pictures wouldn't turn out quite right the the barn -- with the lights on or anything. So I'll have to do it tomarrow when I fuss with them.

I got them wormed fine too, and got a halter on the bay who isn't halter broke, he did just fine -- and surprisingly worming them was not hard, I just stuck the tube in there mouth and they did really well.

horselady · 11-05-2009, 02:11 PM

Step one is over ,now for the real fun of handleing and giving these two a job.

ChasnCans · 11-06-2009, 01:38 PM

oh they won't be ready for a job for awhile..

I did however fuss with them yesterday, got the bay to lead now .. and I can pick up all there feet

Here are two pictures.

I don't really think the pally will amount to anything other than a trail or kids horse, he may end up crippled -- just look at his hock/hips. Poor guy.

And I feel bad for them, Stormy is just hell .. he took a big chunk out of the pally yesterday and I had to docter that up, they mostly stay away from the others boys. Oh well the herd ranks have to be put down in 'hoof' lol.

Horselady44 · 11-06-2009, 01:48 PM

Oh Im so glad you brought them in. GOOD FOR YOU! I think that is just wonderful. They needed a good home and someone to care for them. THANK YOU! Your a wonderful person. They are both just beautiful....they just need some TLC. Sounds like you are doing a great job with them already. Did you deworm them again? Or did you decide to wait? They look like they are good friends. Im glad you took them both in. Your so great

10-26-2009, 08:56 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	Two in Need:(pics added) Idea and input .. good feeding advice .... I've come across two 3yo studs. Horse number 1; Supposed to go back to Secretariat and Pacific Bailey. He is not reg. But they said they have a note or something like that on him. Breeding doens't matter. Light bay, thin blaze and cornet band around the left ankle, very small, looks like a yearling .. has not be handled at all. Horse number two; Arabian x QH. Poor conformation, could be a cute kids horse with work. Light palomino, blaze. Also small but has been halterd. Both horses are very touchable, not wild as far as I've noticed. The bay has weird scabby bumps on his ears, almost looks like rain rot. Both horses are underweight, lady is going through a divorce and cannot take care of them. I'm simply offering a home, where once back to full health will be cut handled and broke to ride. They need alot of work .. This is what I planned on feeding them for now until I know of something better. Both horses will be stalled and blanketed over winter, there coats are not quite KS winter ready and they are thin, this way I might be able to get weight on them a little better. senior feed, corn oil, maybe some type of weight builder, alfa cubs (limited amount) She said they've been wormed, but I was wondering what if they aren't? Should I go ahead and re-worm them or could that hurt them?? I've taken in other horses before, just none like this ...... ETA: I will get pics as soon as I go back to look, or pick them up. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart Last edited by ChasnCans : 11-06-2009 at 01:55 PM.

10-26-2009, 09:00 PM
Horselady44 Started Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 2,437	Do they look wormy? How long ago were they wormed? If it was recent you may want to wait a month. Aside from what you are planning for them...I would also give them free choice grass hay...that will make the world of difference for them __________________ A happy horse equals a happy rider!

10-26-2009, 09:03 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	Got the free choice hay down .. Yes, I would say they look wormy, but she said she wormed them like the day we went out to look at them. Question is .. how could she possibly worm them if she can't even handle them?? Maybe she gave them some kind of pelleted wormer, mixed in with feed? She didn't really say much .. They have that typical belly .. ribs showing, hips .. everything. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart

10-26-2009, 09:12 PM
Horselady44 Started Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 2,437	Hmmm...She may have just been saying that she wormed them it sounds like to me...I think I would probably go ahead and worm them if it were me and they look wormey __________________ A happy horse equals a happy rider!

10-28-2009, 11:16 AM
AnaBellesMoM Weanling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Diego,CA Posts: 257	Good point if she can't even handle them how could she have wormed them? She might be just saying that just to say it. I would worm them again just to be sure. At least them you'll know.

10-28-2009, 11:57 AM
pippy Started Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 2,300	I brought one similar home this past spring- the gal had said the yearling had been dewormed, but I beg to differ- looked darn wormy to me. I went ahead and dewormed anyway. Mine was also skinny - so much so that the neighbours of the gal I had got him from had called the humane society on them. They then moved the horses to a different pasture where he gained a bit of weight but still underweight when we brought him home. I am not sure that the Senior feed would be a good choice for a younger developing horse- the vitamin content in those mixes are developed for a mature horse. I personally have been feeding mine beet pulp mixed with Safe Choice (Nutrena), hay and salt block/water, limited turn out to pasture. __________________ "It's never to late to live happily ever after."

10-28-2009, 12:12 PM
IdelleArab Newborn Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southeast Posts: 29	I'm not one to recommend grain, but I would suggest a Probiotic to help w/ their digestion and maybe flax (Omega Horseshine works great) to help w/ skin and coat. You may want to consider a Penacur Power Pac followed up by Ivermectin once they get settled in to get rid of all the worms/larve. Good Luck! __________________ Proud mom: DS Martinique, 1990 gr AHA Maximum Moonfire, 2000 ch/tob APHA/PtHA Idelle Khalipseh, 2008 gr AHA

10-28-2009, 12:28 PM
Rockin GR Yearling Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canton, KS Posts: 763	They'll be fine on a senior feed at this point. Equine Senior is actually FANTASTIC stuff to rehab a nutritionally deficient horse! Age doesn't matter. It's easy to chew and very easy to digest, and very effieciently digested at that. Plus, it wouldn't require a probiotic with it! I feed it to my 4 year old who doesn't eat hay well, and she's grown 2 inches (since starting her on it in June). She was on Strategy (which would be another good choice for them) before, so she didn't start out deficient in any way. If you are worried that they aren't getting enough vitamins and minerals with Senior, just topdress a little scoop of a 12-12-12 mineral daily. I'd probably add a flake of alfalfa to the free choice hay, especially since we're headed into winter...but that's just me. I would deworm them, reguardless of what I was told by the owner. And the PowerPac would certainly be in their favor, but anything will help. As long as they haven't been done in the last 7-10 days, there is no risk of over doing it. Oh! And the bay's ear bumps will likely go away once his health improves. They are most likely irritations from mites. All horses (all animals actually, including humans) have them around the ears, nose and mouth, but a health animals immune systems will fight off any symptoms or overpopulation. Or it could just be sebboriah, which again should clear up with improved health. If you feel like you need to do something about it, just rub a cotton ball or pad, doused in Listerene, lightly over the area. If it is a surface fugus or bacteria, it will clear it right up. But I'd befriend him first, establish trust, so that you don't freak him out. __________________ "No horse ever goes as fast as the money you spend on him."

10-28-2009, 01:34 PM
Danni L Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Red Deer,Alberta Posts: 627	i second the beet pulp. for my under weight colt i mixed beet pulp with a pellet formulated for growing youngsters, and at first a bit of sweet feed to get him interested. grew 4+ inches over the summer. where i board the lady uses beet pulp to fatten up her extremely hard keeping ottbs. __________________ Rain- gorgeous grey 6 year old mustang, just getting started under saddle Guido-adorable yearling Appaloosa Sport Horse

10-28-2009, 01:48 PM
horselady Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 6,439	Whatever you do, go slow, Just bring them home and for a couple of weeks just feed lots of hay and increase the grain than worm with an ivermectin than in a couple more weeks power pak. doing a power pak on a undernourished horse might cause colic. everything in small amounts.is the key. I have taken in alot of thin maltreated horses and have had great success with this routine. Adding alot of other food stuff can cause alot of problems. We have done the beet pulp and soaked alfalfa cubes but only after the horses have been here for over 6 weeks. good for you for taking them in. they are young and will bounce back quickly. __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime

10-28-2009, 04:10 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	Thanks for all the help guys. As of now I have no idea if its going to go threw or not, she won't respond to my emails or calls .. Poor things. I'm a little irate. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart

11-01-2009, 12:27 AM
Horselady44 Started Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 2,437	I hope she responds soon! Keep us updated __________________ A happy horse equals a happy rider!

11-02-2009, 02:18 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	Good news, I should be picking them up this week, Hopfully tomarrow or wed. So I will get pics up soon. Wish me luck. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart

11-02-2009, 03:09 PM
SheriK Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Iowa City, IA Posts: 1,307	Good luck. Have they ever even been in a trailer? Shoul be interesting if not Post pics when you get home. Poor guys. Will you have them gelded right away?

11-04-2009, 02:40 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	Picking them up in a few hours, wish me luck, I may need it. No, I don't belive they've been in a trailer before. She said she had the trailer out there and put food in there for shelter, and one got in. What we are planning to do is just try and load them like cattle, they are in a a round pen right now. I think we'll just back the trailer up (im going to use a stock trailer, I figure that would be ALOT easier.) and try and get them in that way. Then when we get them home we'll just back into the barn a little ways and put some pannels up to direct them to different stalls and let them settle in. Then in the next few days I'll try and halter them .. I'll get pics tonight. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart

11-04-2009, 02:50 PM
SheriK Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Iowa City, IA Posts: 1,307	Good luck Can't wait to see the pictures when you get home.

11-04-2009, 08:55 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	got them home safely. The loaded just fine. They are now tucked away in stalls for the night until morning when I will be able to let them out. I didn't get a chance to get pics, it was dark when we got home and the cell phone pictures wouldn't turn out quite right the the barn -- with the lights on or anything. So I'll have to do it tomarrow when I fuss with them. I got them wormed fine too, and got a halter on the bay who isn't halter broke, he did just fine -- and surprisingly worming them was not hard, I just stuck the tube in there mouth and they did really well. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart

11-05-2009, 02:11 PM
horselady Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 6,439	Step one is over ,now for the real fun of handleing and giving these two a job. __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime

11-06-2009, 01:38 PM
ChasnCans Started Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 2,012	oh they won't be ready for a job for awhile.. I did however fuss with them yesterday, got the bay to lead now .. and I can pick up all there feet Here are two pictures. I don't really think the pally will amount to anything other than a trail or kids horse, he may end up crippled -- just look at his hock/hips. Poor guy. And I feel bad for them, Stormy is just hell .. he took a big chunk out of the pally yesterday and I had to docter that up, they mostly stay away from the others boys. Oh well the herd ranks have to be put down in 'hoof' lol. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. While he may knock over a barrel he will never* break my heart

11-06-2009, 01:48 PM
Horselady44 Started Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 2,437	Oh Im so glad you brought them in. GOOD FOR YOU! I think that is just wonderful. They needed a good home and someone to care for them. THANK YOU! Your a wonderful person. They are both just beautiful....they just need some TLC. Sounds like you are doing a great job with them already. Did you deworm them again? Or did you decide to wait? They look like they are good friends. Im glad you took them both in. Your so great __________________ A happy horse equals a happy rider!