Between trims

version1955 · 09-07-2008, 11:07 PM

I'd like to know how to file the hooves between trims because it can get too many weeks between. Is that a bad idea? I don't want to get a nippers, I just want to use a file. Gerald said he used to do that and he had a piece of plywood or somesuch for them to stand on so he knew that they were flat and even.

What do you guys think? Is it best I don't bother? Or I better get real training before I even try?

Crookedblaze · 09-07-2008, 11:27 PM

Unless you take some classes, I wouldn't file your horses feet at home. You can do some serious damage just filing, I had a farrier that did months worth of damage just trimming.

Gids_mama · 09-08-2008, 12:29 AM

i would highly recommend not trimming your horses hooves yourself..
id do the best you can with out self home hoof care.
even slighly messing a horses hooves up can throw everything off.
plus thats what farriers go to school for and learn is so we pay them to do it for us..
yayy for farriers..at least good ones worth it..
hope you figure it out

**gbarmranch** · 09-08-2008, 05:01 AM

Is there anyway you can put them on a 6 weeks schedule - It will keep those angles correct if you have a farrier do them.. you may cause more problems then it's worth if you do them yourself..

David · 09-08-2008, 06:53 AM

If you're determined that the only option you have is to do it yourself then talk to your farrier and see if he'll teach you. I mean he know's your horses and obvioously takes good care of them. What ever you do right will make his job easier and whatever you do wrong will make his job harder so he's going to be the best situated to teach you properly. Hope this works out for you.

David

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 07:37 AM

Nope, not determined David, just wondering.

That's one of my problems Geebs. But I think the biggest problem is that I don't like being the only one there when the farrier comes. I like Gerald's help, but he never knows if he's gonna be home or not when I am, its always last minute. And I hate calling the farrier last minute and of course its always on the weekend, sometimes only Sunday when Gerald's there. And I know the farrier's wife hates him working Sundays.

Oh well. Just a question, I guess I'll have to give Peaches the rompum and cowgirl up

David · 09-08-2008, 07:50 AM

One thing you might want to consider is that a rasp is really only for finishing out the hoof. If you are going to trim you really need to use a knife and nippers to shape the sole and trim the frog. If you just take a rasp and file down the hoof you'll end up with a sore footed horse because the sole will contact the ground a the same time as the rest of the hoof and will be more suceptable to stone bruises.

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 07:52 AM

Thanks David, I think my time is better spent getting the 'coward' out of me and simply calling the vet with or without Gerald, after all, three of the four horses are in my name

dreamcleaner · 09-08-2008, 08:59 AM

Just curious version. How come so nervous to be alone? Did something happen?

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 09:14 AM

First of all I'm simply a woose, truth be told.
And yeah, Peaches goes ballistic

And that's under medication! Ziggy is good, we've had her long enough for two trims. Penny is okay. I guess I've been alone with Buster and that went fine. Yeah, I guess its Peaches

**seerfarm** · 09-08-2008, 09:43 AM

If Peaches still has issues with Rompum or Rompum/Ace mix, I would ask the vet for Demorsedan. Takes alot less 3/4 to 1cc in most hard cases, and it is not a sound sensitive medication like Rompum and Rompum/Ace mix can be.

David · 09-08-2008, 09:55 AM

I'll give you a suggestion for Peaches ( this goes more towards training than trimming but I think it'll be helpful). I got a horse not long ago who was 12 yrs old and had only been used as a broodmare. She had only been trimmed every couple of months to keep her from being lame so she had no idea about shoes. The first time she was shod it took two farriers to complete the job because she exhausted the first one by just plain fighting him. ( Naturally I warned him that I didn't know how she would act) So before her second shoeing Huckabuck and I did some work with her. When I was pulling her shoes( because the farrier was behind schedule on getting back to shoe her) she kicked me clean off my feet so I knew we still had a long way to go. So Huck and I tied her to a hitching post then we tied a lead around her back ankle and took two wraps around the other end of the hitching post. We didn't tie it so that if she got too crazy we could let her go before she hurt herself. Then we just held the rope and stood until she calmed down. I finished pulling the shoes and we let her stand there for about 2 minutes after we were done just holding her foot up. Well she got her second set of shoes on thursday and she never even batted an eye. The farrier said " is this even the same horse?"

I know that was kind of a long way of saying to tie her feet up one at a time and let her work it out that it's easier to stand still and get it over with than to fight it, but I wanted to give the example of how well it worked. That was just one session and it stuck this well. Maybe once you know she won't freak then it won't be such a big deal to handle her yourself.

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 09:57 AM

I'll have to look at the bottle in the frig. We used Rompum the first time and it was so cute how drunk she looked, but then of course when I bought a bottle of the stuff it didn't seem to work as well, maybe it was something else. Or maybe I could try to train her?! Heck, ya think? Maybe its wishful thinking, but I like to think she did better last time. Not saying much, but she was less violent even though she wasn't as medicated. I mean she has to learn she isn't really getting hurt sooner or later, right?!

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 09:59 AM

Our farrier is a very patient fellow and yeah, he does the rope thang. Its the only way. Thanks for the suggestions.

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seerfarm

If Peaches still has issues with Rompum or Rompum/Ace mix, I would ask the vet for Demorsedan. Takes alot less 3/4 to 1cc in most hard cases, and it is not a sound sensitive medication like Rompum and Rompum/Ace mix can be.

What does "sound sensitive" mean?

vetjeanne · 09-08-2008, 10:00 AM

Work with Peaches on picking her feet up don't trim are file just get her use to being handled. Goggle Pete Ramey he has several tips and pictures about triming feet I use a rasp more than a knife or nippers.

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 10:07 AM

Thanks. And may I say, you 'ride' pretty tall in the saddle, Arky!

**seerfarm** · 09-08-2008, 10:39 AM

Rompum and Pompum/Ace mix has been known to not only not act as long but makes them super sound sensitive while sedated. Causes them to just freak out for no appearant reason while sedated, then they go into a quite lul again only to freakout again.

Suggestion is that the medication while sedatary in value seems to heighten hearing and vibrations. While it may work well for some, I have seen it be an issue ever more so when used for farrier work.

I prefer and have used the demorsedan exclusively when needed for farrier work and have never had an issue.

Carri · 09-08-2008, 10:53 AM

Ace and Rompum both also are more prone to being counteracted by adrenaline. That is what causes the "Rompum Rage", and the sound sensitivity. Demosedan is quicker acting and is not as easily counteracted by adrenaline, but it is much easier to overdose, which is why if a vet is going to give you sedation to keep on hand, they normally give you Ace.

version1955 · 09-08-2008, 11:00 AM

Ahhh.. thanks. How much time before the farrier shoild I administer the Ace?

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version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	Between trims I'd like to know how to file the hooves between trims because it can get too many weeks between. Is that a bad idea? I don't want to get a nippers, I just want to use a file. Gerald said he used to do that and he had a piece of plywood or somesuch for them to stand on so he knew that they were flat and even. What do you guys think? Is it best I don't bother? Or I better get real training before I even try? __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

09-07-2008, 11:27 PM
Crookedblaze Started Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,458	Unless you take some classes, I wouldn't file your horses feet at home. You can do some serious damage just filing, I had a farrier that did months worth of damage just trimming. __________________ Owned by Rocketman, a 17 year old AQHA and Stormy, a 10 year old Peruvian Paso x Arab

09-08-2008, 12:29 AM
Gids_mama Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ramsey, Indiana Posts: 683	i would highly recommend not trimming your horses hooves yourself.. id do the best you can with out self home hoof care. even slighly messing a horses hooves up can throw everything off. plus thats what farriers go to school for and learn is so we pay them to do it for us.. yayy for farriers..at least good ones worth it.. hope you figure it out __________________ Be gentle in manner, Strong in deed - Latin Proverb

09-08-2008, 05:01 AM
gbarmranch Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 29,240	Is there anyway you can put them on a 6 weeks schedule - It will keep those angles correct if you have a farrier do them.. you may cause more problems then it's worth if you do them yourself.. __________________ Quality Foundation Quarter Horses http://home.earthlink.net/~vpgann Perhaps the best Yuletide decoration is being wreathed in smiles. ~Author Unknown

09-08-2008, 06:53 AM
David Long Yearling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,066	If you're determined that the only option you have is to do it yourself then talk to your farrier and see if he'll teach you. I mean he know's your horses and obvioously takes good care of them. What ever you do right will make his job easier and whatever you do wrong will make his job harder so he's going to be the best situated to teach you properly. Hope this works out for you. David __________________ "If you see your stirrups slap together above the horn, you're probably bucked off". Dave Stamey.

09-08-2008, 07:37 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	Nope, not determined David, just wondering. That's one of my problems Geebs. But I think the biggest problem is that I don't like being the only one there when the farrier comes. I like Gerald's help, but he never knows if he's gonna be home or not when I am, its always last minute. And I hate calling the farrier last minute and of course its always on the weekend, sometimes only Sunday when Gerald's there. And I know the farrier's wife hates him working Sundays. Oh well. Just a question, I guess I'll have to give Peaches the rompum and cowgirl up __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

09-08-2008, 07:50 AM
David Long Yearling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,066	One thing you might want to consider is that a rasp is really only for finishing out the hoof. If you are going to trim you really need to use a knife and nippers to shape the sole and trim the frog. If you just take a rasp and file down the hoof you'll end up with a sore footed horse because the sole will contact the ground a the same time as the rest of the hoof and will be more suceptable to stone bruises. __________________ "If you see your stirrups slap together above the horn, you're probably bucked off". Dave Stamey.

09-08-2008, 07:52 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	Thanks David, I think my time is better spent getting the 'coward' out of me and simply calling the vet with or without Gerald, after all, three of the four horses are in my name __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

09-08-2008, 08:59 AM
dreamcleaner Started Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ontario Posts: 2,303	Just curious version. How come so nervous to be alone? Did something happen?

09-08-2008, 09:14 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	First of all I'm simply a woose, truth be told. And yeah, Peaches goes ballistic And that's under medication! Ziggy is good, we've had her long enough for two trims. Penny is okay. I guess I've been alone with Buster and that went fine. Yeah, I guess its Peaches __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

09-08-2008, 09:43 AM
seerfarm Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portal, Ga Posts: 7,844	If Peaches still has issues with Rompum or Rompum/Ace mix, I would ask the vet for Demorsedan. Takes alot less 3/4 to 1cc in most hard cases, and it is not a sound sensitive medication like Rompum and Rompum/Ace mix can be. __________________ The man who questions opinions is wise. The man who quarrels with facts is a fool.

09-08-2008, 09:55 AM
David Long Yearling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,066	I'll give you a suggestion for Peaches ( this goes more towards training than trimming but I think it'll be helpful). I got a horse not long ago who was 12 yrs old and had only been used as a broodmare. She had only been trimmed every couple of months to keep her from being lame so she had no idea about shoes. The first time she was shod it took two farriers to complete the job because she exhausted the first one by just plain fighting him. ( Naturally I warned him that I didn't know how she would act) So before her second shoeing Huckabuck and I did some work with her. When I was pulling her shoes( because the farrier was behind schedule on getting back to shoe her) she kicked me clean off my feet so I knew we still had a long way to go. So Huck and I tied her to a hitching post then we tied a lead around her back ankle and took two wraps around the other end of the hitching post. We didn't tie it so that if she got too crazy we could let her go before she hurt herself. Then we just held the rope and stood until she calmed down. I finished pulling the shoes and we let her stand there for about 2 minutes after we were done just holding her foot up. Well she got her second set of shoes on thursday and she never even batted an eye. The farrier said " is this even the same horse?" I know that was kind of a long way of saying to tie her feet up one at a time and let her work it out that it's easier to stand still and get it over with than to fight it, but I wanted to give the example of how well it worked. That was just one session and it stuck this well. Maybe once you know she won't freak then it won't be such a big deal to handle her yourself. __________________ "If you see your stirrups slap together above the horn, you're probably bucked off". Dave Stamey.

09-08-2008, 09:57 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	I'll have to look at the bottle in the frig. We used Rompum the first time and it was so cute how drunk she looked, but then of course when I bought a bottle of the stuff it didn't seem to work as well, maybe it was something else. Or maybe I could try to train her?! Heck, ya think? Maybe its wishful thinking, but I like to think she did better last time. Not saying much, but she was less violent even though she wasn't as medicated. I mean she has to learn she isn't really getting hurt sooner or later, right?! __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

09-08-2008, 09:59 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	Our farrier is a very patient fellow and yeah, he does the rope thang. Its the only way. Thanks for the suggestions. __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

09-08-2008, 10:00 AM
vetjeanne Halter broke Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: arkansas Posts: 55	Work with Peaches on picking her feet up don't trim are file just get her use to being handled. Goggle Pete Ramey he has several tips and pictures about triming feet I use a rasp more than a knife or nippers. __________________ I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills... www.arkyhorse.com

09-08-2008, 10:07 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	Thanks. And may I say, you 'ride' pretty tall in the saddle, Arky! __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie

09-08-2008, 10:39 AM
seerfarm Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portal, Ga Posts: 7,844	Rompum and Pompum/Ace mix has been known to not only not act as long but makes them super sound sensitive while sedated. Causes them to just freak out for no appearant reason while sedated, then they go into a quite lul again only to freakout again. Suggestion is that the medication while sedatary in value seems to heighten hearing and vibrations. While it may work well for some, I have seen it be an issue ever more so when used for farrier work. I prefer and have used the demorsedan exclusively when needed for farrier work and have never had an issue. __________________ The man who questions opinions is wise. The man who quarrels with facts is a fool.

09-08-2008, 10:53 AM
Carri Bombproof Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia Posts: 10,086	Ace and Rompum both also are more prone to being counteracted by adrenaline. That is what causes the "Rompum Rage", and the sound sensitivity. Demosedan is quicker acting and is not as easily counteracted by adrenaline, but it is much easier to overdose, which is why if a vet is going to give you sedation to keep on hand, they normally give you Ace. __________________

09-08-2008, 11:00 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minnesnowdah Posts: 6,630	Ahhh.. thanks. How much time before the farrier shoild I administer the Ace? __________________ gonna do what I can instead of complain and fret about what I can't Joanie