New farrier--sweeties hooves update

dodib · 07-31-2008, 07:15 AM

I put a post on here like a week or so ago about how I had a new farrier out. Only does natural hoof trimming--does not believe in shoes. Well she really looked at the horses feet and I explained to her all the issues with Sweetie--feet and shoulder-- She looked and said she has bacteria in her frog and up her heel and that its probably not that she KEEPS getting thrush but we have never completely rid her of the bacteria(this has been like 2 years --old farrier just kept say ing to put thrush stuff on her). she said until the bacteria is gone its probably pretty painful for her. Anyhoo.... its been about a week and a half since she was out. She has us soaking her and putting some bacteria/tea tree oil mixture on her--and then putting some cordura booties on. Well she actually now has a frog on the one foot. She literally hasn't really had any frog in a VERY LONG time due to the thrush or whatever. And the split on her other heel is getting much smaller(split from the frog to the back of her heel--soft and open) I am so excited--the changes in just a week and a half are incredible. She also said to start riding her even if its just at a walk that that will help blood circulate and help the frogs grow back faster. My daughter rode her last night walk and a little trot--she did great, actually seemed to enjoy it. I told my duaghter if we can get her sound maybe I will show her walk trot next year
I am feeling very hopeful--if we can get the hooves cleared up then we will know if the shoulder is still hurting her or not. If it is I will try chiropractor/massage and see what we can do--but sure didn't seem to bother her last night

readytogo · 07-31-2008, 11:10 AM

It is amazing what a difference it will make to get the fungus/bacteria cleared up! What are you soaking with? I have used Oxine AH - and it did a fantastic job, does not harm heatlhy tissue. You might want to ask your trimmer about it. The soak time is around 10 - 15 mins.

Lady_MCSE · 07-31-2008, 11:33 AM

That sounds like exactly what I went through with Jacques.

When I bought him, the seller said he was prone to thrush, and gave me her supply of thrushbuster and coppertox. But he was also being kept in a stall 22 hours a day, with a grassless turnout paddock which I can only imagine would get pretty muddy regularly.

So for one of the early visits from my farrier, I asked him about the thrush, and the fact that Jacques' right foot had a virtually missing frog. He told me that he didn't have thrush now, and that the missing frog was from a previous infection and that it would never grow back.

For two years I continued to use that farrier, and for two years, Jacques was always pretty bad about trimming on that foot, I presumed because he was in pain on the other foot. (He does have low and high ringbone, moderately advanced.)

For those two years, I would see the frog periodically build up and over the void area, creating these pockets that would collect mud like crazy, but eventually the covering would slough off, and we'd have an empty crevice again where the frog should be. But in all this time, I never thought he really had full-on thrush, nor did my farrier ever say that he did.

Finally that farrier dumped us; didn't want to deal with Jacques' "bad attitude." (Yah right, I trim him myself now, while ground tied. No one at his head, and not tied up to anything.)

When I got the new natural horsemanship farrier out, the first thing she focused on was that froggie and the way it had a split right on up through the back of the heel. She had me apply a 1/2 & 1/2 mix of athelete's foot cream + triple antibiotic, and keep at it "for 30 days" she told me. Well, I had to go for more like about 60, partly because I couldn't get out to see him every single day, and partly because it there was a lot that needed healing.

I used a 60CC syringe to vacate any pockets I found, and fill them back up with my gunk. I worked on this from November '07 through about February '08, and finally by late February or March or so, Jacques was more sound than I had ever seen him in the whole two years.

Wooo hooo!!! It can be done! Very glad to hear of your progress, and keep at it, it is well worth it!

Another suggestion I ran across on this board was an antibiotic called Liquiamycin La-200, applied topically.

http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h...2-00b0d0204ae5

dodib · 07-31-2008, 11:33 AM

Using household Lysol-- diluted--kills the bacteria but not good tissue and is inexpensive -about 10 minutes a time
Oh and the cream is a antibacterial and tea tree oil mixture

Lady_MCSE · 07-31-2008, 11:36 AM

Listerine is also a good antibacterial - worked wonders on Jacques' scratches! Don't know how well it would work for hooves.

readytogo · 07-31-2008, 03:58 PM

Maybe you could post pics? Alot of people don't even realize it's thrush, and farriers dont mention it. Could spare alot of people lameness issues.
Before and after pics would be great.

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07-31-2008, 07:15 AM
dodib Started Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ravenna, MI Posts: 2,596	New farrier--sweeties hooves update I put a post on here like a week or so ago about how I had a new farrier out. Only does natural hoof trimming--does not believe in shoes. Well she really looked at the horses feet and I explained to her all the issues with Sweetie--feet and shoulder-- She looked and said she has bacteria in her frog and up her heel and that its probably not that she KEEPS getting thrush but we have never completely rid her of the bacteria(this has been like 2 years --old farrier just kept say ing to put thrush stuff on her). she said until the bacteria is gone its probably pretty painful for her. Anyhoo.... its been about a week and a half since she was out. She has us soaking her and putting some bacteria/tea tree oil mixture on her--and then putting some cordura booties on. Well she actually now has a frog on the one foot. She literally hasn't really had any frog in a VERY LONG time due to the thrush or whatever. And the split on her other heel is getting much smaller(split from the frog to the back of her heel--soft and open) I am so excited--the changes in just a week and a half are incredible. She also said to start riding her even if its just at a walk that that will help blood circulate and help the frogs grow back faster. My daughter rode her last night walk and a little trot--she did great, actually seemed to enjoy it. I told my duaghter if we can get her sound maybe I will show her walk trot next year I am feeling very hopeful--if we can get the hooves cleared up then we will know if the shoulder is still hurting her or not. If it is I will try chiropractor/massage and see what we can do--but sure didn't seem to bother her last night __________________ Dorthy www.freewebs.com/brownranch/

07-31-2008, 11:10 AM
readytogo Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pa. Posts: 533	It is amazing what a difference it will make to get the fungus/bacteria cleared up! What are you soaking with? I have used Oxine AH - and it did a fantastic job, does not harm heatlhy tissue. You might want to ask your trimmer about it. The soak time is around 10 - 15 mins.

07-31-2008, 11:33 AM
Lady_MCSE Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Shytown, IL Posts: 3,505	That sounds like exactly what I went through with Jacques. When I bought him, the seller said he was prone to thrush, and gave me her supply of thrushbuster and coppertox. But he was also being kept in a stall 22 hours a day, with a grassless turnout paddock which I can only imagine would get pretty muddy regularly. So for one of the early visits from my farrier, I asked him about the thrush, and the fact that Jacques' right foot had a virtually missing frog. He told me that he didn't have thrush now, and that the missing frog was from a previous infection and that it would never grow back. For two years I continued to use that farrier, and for two years, Jacques was always pretty bad about trimming on that foot, I presumed because he was in pain on the other foot. (He does have low and high ringbone, moderately advanced.) For those two years, I would see the frog periodically build up and over the void area, creating these pockets that would collect mud like crazy, but eventually the covering would slough off, and we'd have an empty crevice again where the frog should be. But in all this time, I never thought he really had full-on thrush, nor did my farrier ever say that he did. Finally that farrier dumped us; didn't want to deal with Jacques' "bad attitude." (Yah right, I trim him myself now, while ground tied. No one at his head, and not tied up to anything.) When I got the new natural horsemanship farrier out, the first thing she focused on was that froggie and the way it had a split right on up through the back of the heel. She had me apply a 1/2 & 1/2 mix of athelete's foot cream + triple antibiotic, and keep at it "for 30 days" she told me. Well, I had to go for more like about 60, partly because I couldn't get out to see him every single day, and partly because it there was a lot that needed healing. I used a 60CC syringe to vacate any pockets I found, and fill them back up with my gunk. I worked on this from November '07 through about February '08, and finally by late February or March or so, Jacques was more sound than I had ever seen him in the whole two years. Wooo hooo!!! It can be done! Very glad to hear of your progress, and keep at it, it is well worth it! Another suggestion I ran across on this board was an antibiotic called Liquiamycin La-200, applied topically. http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h...2-00b0d0204ae5 __________________ Yes I can spell the way Webster tells me to. But why? I might spell correctly Tuesday thru Wensday tho. Last edited by Lady_MCSE : 07-31-2008 at 11:35 AM.

07-31-2008, 11:36 AM
Lady_MCSE Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Shytown, IL Posts: 3,505	Listerine is also a good antibacterial - worked wonders on Jacques' scratches! Don't know how well it would work for hooves. __________________ Yes I can spell the way Webster tells me to. But why? I might spell correctly Tuesday thru Wensday tho.

07-31-2008, 03:58 PM
readytogo Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pa. Posts: 533	Maybe you could post pics? Alot of people don't even realize it's thrush, and farriers dont mention it. Could spare alot of people lameness issues. Before and after pics would be great.