Wider Heels(PICS added)

DoBeSassy · 07-14-2008, 04:22 PM

I took Sasy to the vet, for her coggins, on Saturday. And I asked my vet about Sassy's chances of having navicular(or developing it). And she told me to keep her shod, and to have my farrier widen her heels a little.

She said I should be able to put a dime on the outside of the hoof and have it rest on the shoe.

My farrier is coming out this week to re-shoe her so I wanted to get your opinions on this before I talked to him about it.

does it sould ok, should I be worried about anything if we widen her shoe a little?

**seerfarm** · 07-14-2008, 05:12 PM

DoBe, sounds good if he can expand her heels outward some. It will help reduce some of the uprightedness of the sidewalls and quarters giving her a broader better angle.

cook1745 · 07-14-2008, 05:16 PM

Defenitly widen the heel it can cause pressure sores if the heel are to contracted on the shoe and not covering her heel right. imagine you walking on a shoe who's sole was to small and your heel hung over all the time eventually you would get bruises on you feet and be very sore!!!

DoBeSassy · 07-14-2008, 05:39 PM

Thank you. should this cause any discomfort at first?

**seerfarm** · 07-14-2008, 05:41 PM

No, not really if done properly and slowly. The general idea is to allow her heels to grow and spread out to the widen heel of the shoe. PM Range and I am sure that her and hubby could really give you the complete low down, on what to expect.

DoBeSassy · 07-14-2008, 05:55 PM

I might just have to do that. I'm not good at visualizing so I am seeing her with dinner plates for hooves. Which I know is supposed to be good for them, but

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leadmare · 07-14-2008, 06:25 PM

I must have missed something

**seerfarm** · 07-14-2008, 06:51 PM

Oh boy, I sure need that Ginkoba...I am sorry Leadmare, I have totally forgotten that you are a farrier too!

leadmare · 07-14-2008, 07:52 PM

Oh no Seer, you're fine, I am lost as to what's going on with the filly

I must have missed prior info or you all are just really good at reading minds

DoBeSassy · 07-14-2008, 08:10 PM

Leadmare- I don't know alot about navicular, and Sassy has pretty upright pasterns(I associate that with navicular). So I asked my vet if she is at risk for navicular.

She told me that she doesn't look bad, but that I need to have my farrier widen her heels a little. I wasn't asking for a diagnoisis or anything, I just wanted to learn about it early. Sassy is 6, I just don't want to talk about this stuff too late. You know what I mean

So I was asking some questions.

leadmare · 07-14-2008, 09:12 PM

"I see," said the blind woman

Just because a horse is a bit upright is not a sentence for navicular.

So, what she's wanting is for you to have a wider shoe, not wider foot? Putting a wider web shoe, or fit the foot fuller offering more support to the heels is what I'm hearing there, right?

She must be feeling the foot is being shod too close/tight/short.

As always, got pics?

**beth55051** · 07-14-2008, 09:17 PM

That's how we always shod my gelding Murhpy. We'd give him a good 1/4" of heel overhang on the shoe because by the time 5-6 weeks would roll around he'd be hanging over his shoes otherwise and then he'd get corns and other such wonderful things.

We weren't trying to correct anything with his hooves though, just keep him happy till reset time came around.

We do the same thing with Sam as well and he is a typical "navicular" type horse with very tight upright heels. He's also pidgeon toed and giving him the extra shoe to grow into keeps him up on the shoe a little longer before he needs a reset.

DoBeSassy · 07-14-2008, 09:30 PM

Yes Leadmare- I think that's what I'm trying to say. Her hooves grow over the shoe by the time she is supposed to be shod again. A wider shoe will help her to not grow over so bad.

I will take pics tomorrow morning

leadmare · 07-14-2008, 10:13 PM

Gotcha!

When shod or reset @ 6-8 weeks, a wider webbed shoe or fitting her fuller is not going to encourage pancakes/dinner plates

It will better the chances of not getting bruises, corns, or heel pain though.

Proper trimming and shoeing, turn-out and exercise, feeding and not letting her get fat, fat are going to be the best prevention of Navicular.

(Still like to see those pics

)

DoBeSassy · 07-15-2008, 08:20 AM

I will be getting them in about an hour

DoBeSassy · 07-15-2008, 01:04 PM

Ok here are the pictures, excuse the mud, we had a good rain yesterday and I didn't have time to hose them off.

here is a shot of the fronts

fronts from the side

picture of a back hoof

her left front

the inside of the left front, this one is grown over

outside of the left front

cook1745 · 07-15-2008, 01:19 PM

wow she has a TON of heel on her. If all that heel was removed than she would acually need so toe removed!!!

The shoes are way to small!!!

DoBeSassy · 07-15-2008, 01:31 PM

I don't know if it makes any difference, but this is about 6 weeks since she was last done.

But I have always thought her hooves look long not too long after she is done. But I blamed it on a fast growing hoof. Could this be the problem?

cook1745 · 07-15-2008, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoBeSassy

I don't know if it makes any difference, but this is about 6 weeks since she was last done.

But I have always thought her hooves look long not too long after she is done. But I blamed it on a fast growing hoof. Could this be the problem?

No hoof grows that fast. Is that right after she was shod or has it been six weeks and that is what she looks like right before she gets trimmed?

leadmare · 07-15-2008, 03:32 PM

The pics are angled a bit too much to tell a whole lot, but she does have too much foot. Even for six weeks growth.

You have a whole side shot of her handy?

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07-14-2008, 04:22 PM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	Wider Heels(PICS added) I took Sasy to the vet, for her coggins, on Saturday. And I asked my vet about Sassy's chances of having navicular(or developing it). And she told me to keep her shod, and to have my farrier widen her heels a little. She said I should be able to put a dime on the outside of the hoof and have it rest on the shoe. My farrier is coming out this week to re-shoe her so I wanted to get your opinions on this before I talked to him about it. does it sould ok, should I be worried about anything if we widen her shoe a little? __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see Last edited by DoBeSassy : 07-15-2008 at 01:05 PM.

07-14-2008, 05:12 PM
seerfarm Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portal, Ga Posts: 7,844	DoBe, sounds good if he can expand her heels outward some. It will help reduce some of the uprightedness of the sidewalls and quarters giving her a broader better angle. __________________ The man who questions opinions is wise. The man who quarrels with facts is a fool.

07-14-2008, 05:16 PM
cook1745 Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,524	Defenitly widen the heel it can cause pressure sores if the heel are to contracted on the shoe and not covering her heel right. imagine you walking on a shoe who's sole was to small and your heel hung over all the time eventually you would get bruises on you feet and be very sore!!! __________________ Home of my sweet girl Cinnamon. Not fancy but she is mine!!!

07-14-2008, 05:39 PM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	Thank you. should this cause any discomfort at first? __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see

07-14-2008, 05:41 PM
seerfarm Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portal, Ga Posts: 7,844	No, not really if done properly and slowly. The general idea is to allow her heels to grow and spread out to the widen heel of the shoe. PM Range and I am sure that her and hubby could really give you the complete low down, on what to expect. __________________ The man who questions opinions is wise. The man who quarrels with facts is a fool.

07-14-2008, 05:55 PM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	I might just have to do that. I'm not good at visualizing so I am seeing her with dinner plates for hooves. Which I know is supposed to be good for them, but . __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see

07-14-2008, 06:25 PM
leadmare Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,088	I must have missed something __________________ *When a man's ways please the Lord, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him. Proverbs 16:7*

07-14-2008, 06:51 PM
seerfarm Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portal, Ga Posts: 7,844	Oh boy, I sure need that Ginkoba...I am sorry Leadmare, I have totally forgotten that you are a farrier too! __________________ The man who questions opinions is wise. The man who quarrels with facts is a fool.

07-14-2008, 07:52 PM
leadmare Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,088	Oh no Seer, you're fine, I am lost as to what's going on with the filly I must have missed prior info or you all are just really good at reading minds __________________ *When a man's ways please the Lord, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him. Proverbs 16:7*

07-14-2008, 08:10 PM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	Leadmare- I don't know alot about navicular, and Sassy has pretty upright pasterns(I associate that with navicular). So I asked my vet if she is at risk for navicular. She told me that she doesn't look bad, but that I need to have my farrier widen her heels a little. I wasn't asking for a diagnoisis or anything, I just wanted to learn about it early. Sassy is 6, I just don't want to talk about this stuff too late. You know what I mean So I was asking some questions. __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see

07-14-2008, 09:12 PM
leadmare Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,088	"I see," said the blind woman Just because a horse is a bit upright is not a sentence for navicular. So, what she's wanting is for you to have a wider shoe, not wider foot? Putting a wider web shoe, or fit the foot fuller offering more support to the heels is what I'm hearing there, right? She must be feeling the foot is being shod too close/tight/short. As always, got pics? __________________ *When a man's ways please the Lord, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him. Proverbs 16:7*

07-14-2008, 09:17 PM
beth55051 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: East Central Minnesota Posts: 4,738	That's how we always shod my gelding Murhpy. We'd give him a good 1/4" of heel overhang on the shoe because by the time 5-6 weeks would roll around he'd be hanging over his shoes otherwise and then he'd get corns and other such wonderful things. We weren't trying to correct anything with his hooves though, just keep him happy till reset time came around. We do the same thing with Sam as well and he is a typical "navicular" type horse with very tight upright heels. He's also pidgeon toed and giving him the extra shoe to grow into keeps him up on the shoe a little longer before he needs a reset. __________________ Do not mind anything that anyone tells you about anyone else. Judge everyone and everything for yourself.

07-14-2008, 09:30 PM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	Yes Leadmare- I think that's what I'm trying to say. Her hooves grow over the shoe by the time she is supposed to be shod again. A wider shoe will help her to not grow over so bad. I will take pics tomorrow morning __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see

07-14-2008, 10:13 PM
leadmare Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,088	Gotcha! When shod or reset @ 6-8 weeks, a wider webbed shoe or fitting her fuller is not going to encourage pancakes/dinner plates It will better the chances of not getting bruises, corns, or heel pain though. Proper trimming and shoeing, turn-out and exercise, feeding and not letting her get fat, fat are going to be the best prevention of Navicular. (Still like to see those pics) __________________ *When a man's ways please the Lord, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him. Proverbs 16:7*

07-15-2008, 08:20 AM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	I will be getting them in about an hour __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see

07-15-2008, 01:04 PM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	Ok here are the pictures, excuse the mud, we had a good rain yesterday and I didn't have time to hose them off. here is a shot of the fronts fronts from the side picture of a back hoof her left front the inside of the left front, this one is grown over outside of the left front __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see

07-15-2008, 01:19 PM
cook1745 Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,524	wow she has a TON of heel on her. If all that heel was removed than she would acually need so toe removed!!! The shoes are way to small!!! __________________ Home of my sweet girl Cinnamon. Not fancy but she is mine!!!

07-15-2008, 01:31 PM
DoBeSassy Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,972	I don't know if it makes any difference, but this is about 6 weeks since she was last done. But I have always thought her hooves look long not too long after she is done. But I blamed it on a fast growing hoof. Could this be the problem? __________________ There is none so blind as she who will not see

07-15-2008, 03:32 PM
leadmare Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,088	The pics are angled a bit too much to tell a whole lot, but she does have too much foot. Even for six weeks growth. You have a whole side shot of her handy? __________________ *When a man's ways please the Lord, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him. Proverbs 16:7*