FEEDING the Foundered Horse

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 11:49 AM

Ok Mods if this is not the right place move it, please.

After a horse has foundered, what feed should be used? This is after given approval by the vet.

Carri · 06-04-2008, 11:58 AM

I have never had a foundered horse, so I am sure that there will be other much more knowledgeable answers, but I just wanted to mention that I have seen Seminole and Purina both have feed that is specifically for horses that have foundered previously.

gbarmranch · 06-04-2008, 12:00 PM

I would assume the vet is going to suggest keeping the protein level low.. yet you also have the issue of putting weight on him as well..

Beet pulp with a good hay I think to start with.. no alfalfa though.

What has the vet said about a senior feed..

seerfarm · 06-04-2008, 12:08 PM

You really want to watch carbohydrate rich grains, lush and wet pasture.

Usually a mix of dried forage (excluding Alfalfa) grasses are best.

Seminole in my opinion has the absolute best laminitis and founder prone forage feed out there. I have seen this stuff work wonders and is worth every penny to take out the worry and wonder. If you are interested, it is called Happy Hoof.

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 12:11 PM

My senior feed has 14% protien. What he was on was 10% protien. The vet sis say that he really could not ase all of it on just being overfed that weekend we were gone. He thinks it was a load of stress from his injuries, the trailer ride, the 3 abcesses and being overfed that one weekend. So this is why I am really at a loss.

Poor boy is so patient and kind. He is a big ol trooper. He is so gallant. I cll him Lancelot

Yes we have to slowly put weight on. This is where I want to make sure he gets what is needed to continue on hs road to recovery.

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 12:18 PM

Not seeing Happy Hoof on Seminole's website. Do you have a link seer.

seerfarm · 06-04-2008, 12:22 PM

Let me check, with the split with Spillners at the first of the year, they may have changed the name.

calicocalgirl · 06-04-2008, 12:23 PM

Purina Enrich 12 (formerly Mare & Maintenance)
or
Purina's new Wellsolve L/S

http://www.wellsolveequine.com/

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 12:23 PM

This is what I have started him on......
http://www.triplecrownfeed.com/safestarch.php

It is a forage, But I need to give him his suppliments too, and that is hard when not mixed in a feed. Beetpulp is low in all that stuff right?

cloudyandcallie · 06-04-2008, 12:24 PM

happy hoof or safety first, the same product from seminole, or anything like that, it's chopped hay/straw.
no grain.
no grass
no carrots or sugar.
no starches.
and read up about fructans and sugars in grasses, etc. it's amazing, time of day and time of year can apply.
and no steroid shots they can cause laminitis.
look on the coth forum under laminitis or founder.
too many treats and vegetables including carrots have sugars and starches in them.
you can feed hay, but check which kinds. we have coastal bermuda which is not rich.
must lose lots of weight and the happy hoof/safety first or like that will do it, all fiber, and keeps gut working so you won't have colic, and gets the weight off fast,.
go to seminole webpage, it's worlds best feed page or seminole feeds, and get the 800 and call the nutritionist.

cloudyandcallie · 06-04-2008, 12:27 PM

seminole split with spillers so they don't have happy hoof, but you can either find happy hoof elsewhere, it comes out of maine or some place, or you can use the seminole product which is almost exactly the same. seminole now calls everything "wellness" or "safety first".
use the chopped forage for up to a year, when horse is skinny (gotta get the weight off those sore hooves) then you can go to a low starch feed like performance or something.
no grass!
no treats unless no starches.
and yes, you can do without most supplements, unless they have no starch and no sugar, like get a good hoof supplement to try to grow out hooves fast.

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloudyandcallie

happy hoof or safety first, the same product from seminole, or anything like that, it's chopped hay/straw.
no grain.
no grass
no carrots or sugar.
no starches.
and read up about fructans and sugars in grasses, etc. it's amazing, time of day and time of year can apply.
and no steroid shots they can cause laminitis.
look on the coth forum under laminitis or founder.
too many treats and vegetables including carrots have sugars and starches in them.
you can feed hay, but check which kinds. we have coastal bermuda which is not rich.
must lose lots of weight and the happy hoof/safety first or like that will do it, all fiber, and keeps gut working so you won't have colic, and gets the weight off fast,.
go to seminole webpage, it's worlds best feed page or seminole feeds, and get the 800 and call the nutritionist.

He is a lot underweight already. He suffered blown tendons six months ago and I just got him in a few weeks ago. So he cannot afford to loose anymore weight. He is a perch/fresian cross. He is also under vet care and specialist farrier care. I just wanted to let you know, if you are not familiar with his story and thank you for the suggestions.

seerfarm · 06-04-2008, 12:32 PM

Cameo...It is now called Safe and Sound. 40 lb bag forage. Spoke with nutritionist and recommended maybe fedding it 60/40 with the Safe and Lite pellets. Both recommended for Founder and Laminitis prone horses.

The Safe and Sound also has a mixed in multi-vitamin pellet for overall nutritional balance.

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloudyandcallie

seminole split with spillers so they don't have happy hoof, but you can either find happy hoof elsewhere, it comes out of maine or some place, or you can use the seminole product which is almost exactly the same. seminole now calls everything "wellness" or "safety first".
use the chopped forage for up to a year, when horse is skinny (gotta get the weight off those sore hooves) then you can go to a low starch feed like performance or something.
no grass!
no treats unless no starches.
and yes, you can do without most supplements, unless they have no starch and no sugar, like get a good hoof supplement to try to grow out hooves fast.

I did see that on Seminols website.

gbarmranch · 06-04-2008, 12:46 PM

You can get that feed down there I believe - we don't have that option here..

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 12:56 PM

I am getting beetpulp with no molassis in it. He gets Probios and the GLC5500 every day. So I got to have something to mix with.

So we need a feed that is low starch and low carbs?

seerfarm · 06-04-2008, 12:58 PM

Cameo...did you see my previous post?

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 01:07 PM

yes I did, I must have skipped passed it. Sorry.

cameo05 · 06-04-2008, 01:08 PM

Should I lite walk him?

seerfarm · 06-04-2008, 01:14 PM

Make sure with your vet, but movement if tolerated is good for blood flow and important to heal laminie. Don't see why a 10 - 15 minute light walk on good flat ground should hurt.

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06-04-2008, 11:49 AM
cameo05 Pasture Pet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In my own world Posts: 12,341	FEEDING the Foundered Horse Ok Mods if this is not the right place move it, please. After a horse has foundered, what feed should be used? This is after given approval by the vet. __________________ Life is a bed of roses, until you meet up with thorns.

06-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Carri Pasture Pet Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia Posts: 13,766	I have never had a foundered horse, so I am sure that there will be other much more knowledgeable answers, but I just wanted to mention that I have seen Seminole and Purina both have feed that is specifically for horses that have foundered previously.

06-04-2008, 12:00 PM
gbarmranch Pasture Pet Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mayberry Posts: 32,634	I would assume the vet is going to suggest keeping the protein level low.. yet you also have the issue of putting weight on him as well.. Beet pulp with a good hay I think to start with.. no alfalfa though. What has the vet said about a senior feed.. __________________ http://home.earthlink.net/~vpgann Quality Foundation Quarter Horses If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself." Augustine of Hippo

06-04-2008, 12:08 PM
seerfarm Bombproof Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Out with the Herd! Posts: 9,635	You really want to watch carbohydrate rich grains, lush and wet pasture. Usually a mix of dried forage (excluding Alfalfa) grasses are best. Seminole in my opinion has the absolute best laminitis and founder prone forage feed out there. I have seen this stuff work wonders and is worth every penny to take out the worry and wonder. If you are interested, it is called Happy Hoof. __________________ "One must be a god to be able to tell successes from failures without making a mistake".

06-04-2008, 12:11 PM
cameo05 Pasture Pet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In my own world Posts: 12,341	My senior feed has 14% protien. What he was on was 10% protien. The vet sis say that he really could not ase all of it on just being overfed that weekend we were gone. He thinks it was a load of stress from his injuries, the trailer ride, the 3 abcesses and being overfed that one weekend. So this is why I am really at a loss. Poor boy is so patient and kind. He is a big ol trooper. He is so gallant. I cll him Lancelot Yes we have to slowly put weight on. This is where I want to make sure he gets what is needed to continue on hs road to recovery. __________________ Life is a bed of roses, until you meet up with thorns.

06-04-2008, 12:18 PM
cameo05 Pasture Pet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In my own world Posts: 12,341	Not seeing Happy Hoof on Seminole's website. Do you have a link seer. __________________ Life is a bed of roses, until you meet up with thorns.

06-04-2008, 12:22 PM
seerfarm Bombproof Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Out with the Herd! Posts: 9,635	Let me check, with the split with Spillners at the first of the year, they may have changed the name. __________________ "One must be a god to be able to tell successes from failures without making a mistake".

06-04-2008, 12:23 PM
calicocalgirl Greenbroke Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: inbetweenhere&there, Pa Posts: 3,470	Purina Feeds for Foundered Horses Purina Enrich 12 (formerly Mare & Maintenance) or Purina's new Wellsolve L/S http://www.wellsolveequine.com/

06-04-2008, 12:24 PM
cloudyandcallie Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vernon River East Coast Posts: 148	happy hoof or safety first happy hoof or safety first, the same product from seminole, or anything like that, it's chopped hay/straw. no grain. no grass no carrots or sugar. no starches. and read up about fructans and sugars in grasses, etc. it's amazing, time of day and time of year can apply. and no steroid shots they can cause laminitis. look on the coth forum under laminitis or founder. too many treats and vegetables including carrots have sugars and starches in them. you can feed hay, but check which kinds. we have coastal bermuda which is not rich. must lose lots of weight and the happy hoof/safety first or like that will do it, all fiber, and keeps gut working so you won't have colic, and gets the weight off fast,. go to seminole webpage, it's worlds best feed page or seminole feeds, and get the 800 and call the nutritionist.

06-04-2008, 12:27 PM
cloudyandcallie Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vernon River East Coast Posts: 148	seminole seminole split with spillers so they don't have happy hoof, but you can either find happy hoof elsewhere, it comes out of maine or some place, or you can use the seminole product which is almost exactly the same. seminole now calls everything "wellness" or "safety first". use the chopped forage for up to a year, when horse is skinny (gotta get the weight off those sore hooves) then you can go to a low starch feed like performance or something. no grass! no treats unless no starches. and yes, you can do without most supplements, unless they have no starch and no sugar, like get a good hoof supplement to try to grow out hooves fast.

06-04-2008, 12:32 PM
seerfarm Bombproof Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Out with the Herd! Posts: 9,635	Cameo...It is now called Safe and Sound. 40 lb bag forage. Spoke with nutritionist and recommended maybe fedding it 60/40 with the Safe and Lite pellets. Both recommended for Founder and Laminitis prone horses. The Safe and Sound also has a mixed in multi-vitamin pellet for overall nutritional balance. __________________ "One must be a god to be able to tell successes from failures without making a mistake".

06-04-2008, 12:46 PM
gbarmranch Pasture Pet Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mayberry Posts: 32,634	You can get that feed down there I believe - we don't have that option here.. __________________ http://home.earthlink.net/~vpgann Quality Foundation Quarter Horses If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself." Augustine of Hippo

06-04-2008, 12:56 PM
cameo05 Pasture Pet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In my own world Posts: 12,341	I am getting beetpulp with no molassis in it. He gets Probios and the GLC5500 every day. So I got to have something to mix with. So we need a feed that is low starch and low carbs? __________________ Life is a bed of roses, until you meet up with thorns.

06-04-2008, 12:58 PM
seerfarm Bombproof Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Out with the Herd! Posts: 9,635	Cameo...did you see my previous post? __________________ "One must be a god to be able to tell successes from failures without making a mistake".

06-04-2008, 01:07 PM
cameo05 Pasture Pet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In my own world Posts: 12,341	yes I did, I must have skipped passed it. Sorry. __________________ Life is a bed of roses, until you meet up with thorns.

06-04-2008, 01:08 PM
cameo05 Pasture Pet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In my own world Posts: 12,341	Should I lite walk him? __________________ Life is a bed of roses, until you meet up with thorns.

06-04-2008, 01:14 PM
seerfarm Bombproof Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Out with the Herd! Posts: 9,635	Make sure with your vet, but movement if tolerated is good for blood flow and important to heal laminie. Don't see why a 10 - 15 minute light walk on good flat ground should hurt. __________________ "One must be a god to be able to tell successes from failures without making a mistake".