Any one every heard of this!

lelo2006 · 10-15-2009, 03:55 PM

Before I start please note that I don't know the person in question nor seen the horse in question but I've been asked to take on this horse. The discription I was given on the state of this horses hoof was something I've never heard before but maybe someone can shine some light onto this whole thing.

Got contact today by a person needing to get rid of there horse and was looking for me to take it in. Mare was given to said person 2 years ago and was told that the horse had absess in the hoof in question.

A few days ago, person noticed hoof looking really bad and weird. Had a real dry summer and hooves in generally were cracking and such but this was unusual and so called ferrier to check it out.

Ferrier said that horse must of hit hoof on something and killed outer hoof wall and as such cut off the outer hoof wall exposing the inner wall, person said pink in color, until inner hoof was exposed. Gave person meds to put on the hoof and to wrap hoof and if possible put boot on hoof.

Now hoof looks infected, yellow puse ozzing from coronet band area, horse is having hard time walking on.

My questions are; Has anyone ever heard of this occuring in horses? What might cause it? Fairly drastic measures taken by ferrier that I've never heard of have you? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Of course if I do decide to take horse I will get a vet check but just sounded awfully odd that a ferrier doesn't know generally what is going on with a hoof. Usually something happened (thrush, lamnitis, etc.)

Thanks all for the help.

kanoo32 · 10-15-2009, 04:02 PM

Could have been white line disease, and they did a resection on him/her...but this is purely speculation on my part, without pics it is obviosly impossible to tell. If it was done right, and is cared for properly, the hoof wall will come back and the horse will be fine, if it is not cared for properly, then it can, and will become a nightmare.....Certainly if I were you and taking on a horse in this circumstance, I would certainly consult with a veterinarian on this horse and choose the right course of action.

horselady · 10-15-2009, 06:36 PM

I totaly agree with Kanoo, get vet out asap, and get a second opinion other than a farrier. hopefully this horses hoof can be saved. why was a vet not called in before a farrier doing a hoof resection.?

Range · 10-15-2009, 08:13 PM

Vets don't know a whole lot about the hoof. I'm not being rude. They just don't. So...farriers do re-sections fairly routinely without consulting a vet.

I, too, would be getting some opinions on the care of the resectioned area.

Horselady44 · 10-15-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kanoo32

Could have been white line disease, and they did a resection on him/her...but this is purely speculation on my part, without pics it is obviosly impossible to tell. If it was done right, and is cared for properly, the hoof wall will come back and the horse will be fine, if it is not cared for properly, then it can, and will become a nightmare.....Certainly if I were you and taking on a horse in this circumstance, I would certainly consult with a veterinarian on this horse and choose the right course of action.

i totally agree I would get a vet out...and also like Range said...get a farrier out as well if they went to school they will be able to give you alot of info

morgan · 10-15-2009, 09:40 PM

I would also get a Vet to look at the hoof. It sounds like a hoof that is sluffing of the wall due to a injury or laminitis. You will need medicine to treat the infection.

lelo2006 · 10-15-2009, 10:14 PM

Vet was not called out due to finances. Gonna get in touch with the ferrier that did the job and see exactly what he has to say about it but vet will be looking at it or at least consulting on what needs to be done before any other decision is made.

Apparenly though, most are right. Vet's don't need to be consulted for this type of procedure. WOW! I would of though so going and hacking away that much hoof.

EquineAlberta · 10-16-2009, 12:16 AM

Isn't the outer wall of a horse's hoof dead tissue normally? Like a human nail? In which case does he mean that the outerwall lost its connection with layer beneath it?

Cutting the wall off seems drastic to me, and I would think that most conditions that warrent it would also warrent follow up treatment and/or antibiotics. I imagine this horse will need to be kept inside and warm so that the hoof regrows in a timely fashion.

Range in our area most of the Equine specific vets do have good hoof knowledge and/or have a farrier that works closely with them. On the other hand we don't have that many highly educated farriers...they are good, but not many I would trust to do that sort of work.

Karen

mingiz · 10-16-2009, 05:26 AM

I had a gelding that had a resection done on him. It was the last resort at the time. I found a farrier about 100 miles from me and shipped the horse to him. He cut away about half of his hoof. He had a fungal infection in it and none of the local farriers seemd to be able to do anything. After he cut away the hoof I had a lil bottle of meds that the farrier gave me.(4oz for 65$) For 3 months I had to soak the foot , dry it. apply the meds and kept in wrapped and dry. After 3months I had enough foot that I didn't have to Dr. it just kept an eye on it and he also wore a bar shoe. Never had any problems during the process. Sounds like there is an infection in it.. Depneds on how bad it is before I would take it on...could end up being a night mare....Best of luck......

bntnail · 10-16-2009, 03:57 PM

I would be extremely concerned w/ the oozing at the coronary band.

As others have said, this would be indicative of an infection.

As for the outer hoof wall being dead, It's supposed to be.

How much was resected? Toe area,toe/quarter,entire hoof

.Partial resctions should be accompanied w/ shoes, preferably w/clips for stabilization and heart bars in severe cases.The only full hoof wall resections I'm aware of were done in a clinic/surgical setting.Don't know the outcome of those cases,but it takes 6-9 mo's to re-grow the wall.

Selenium poisoning and severe founder/abscess, are the primary reasons for "sloughing" the hoof wall. IME, outcome is grave to guarded but a vet is a definite must.

Best of luck,you and the horse,
bntnail,farrier

lelo2006 · 10-16-2009, 04:28 PM

Unfortunely I only got a discription from the person who owns the horse and it was just to say that the ferrier took off all outer wall off until it was down to pink newer hoof. Not sure how much as I haven't seen it.

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10-15-2009, 03:55 PM
lelo2006 Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 983	Any one every heard of this! Before I start please note that I don't know the person in question nor seen the horse in question but I've been asked to take on this horse. The discription I was given on the state of this horses hoof was something I've never heard before but maybe someone can shine some light onto this whole thing. Got contact today by a person needing to get rid of there horse and was looking for me to take it in. Mare was given to said person 2 years ago and was told that the horse had absess in the hoof in question. A few days ago, person noticed hoof looking really bad and weird. Had a real dry summer and hooves in generally were cracking and such but this was unusual and so called ferrier to check it out. Ferrier said that horse must of hit hoof on something and killed outer hoof wall and as such cut off the outer hoof wall exposing the inner wall, person said pink in color, until inner hoof was exposed. Gave person meds to put on the hoof and to wrap hoof and if possible put boot on hoof. Now hoof looks infected, yellow puse ozzing from coronet band area, horse is having hard time walking on. My questions are; Has anyone ever heard of this occuring in horses? What might cause it? Fairly drastic measures taken by ferrier that I've never heard of have you? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Of course if I do decide to take horse I will get a vet check but just sounded awfully odd that a ferrier doesn't know generally what is going on with a hoof. Usually something happened (thrush, lamnitis, etc.) Thanks all for the help. __________________ I live how I love and love how I live! WRERS: Edmonton Based Horse Rescue. www.albertahorserescue.com

10-15-2009, 04:02 PM
kanoo32 Seasoned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 4,503	Could have been white line disease, and they did a resection on him/her...but this is purely speculation on my part, without pics it is obviosly impossible to tell. If it was done right, and is cared for properly, the hoof wall will come back and the horse will be fine, if it is not cared for properly, then it can, and will become a nightmare.....Certainly if I were you and taking on a horse in this circumstance, I would certainly consult with a veterinarian on this horse and choose the right course of action. __________________ "Animals are such agreeable friends--they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms..." --George Eliot In Loving Memory of Spikey...My Best Friend...I Miss You RIP 1988-2009

10-15-2009, 06:36 PM
horselady Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 6,428	I totaly agree with Kanoo, get vet out asap, and get a second opinion other than a farrier. hopefully this horses hoof can be saved. why was a vet not called in before a farrier doing a hoof resection.? __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime

10-15-2009, 08:13 PM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,739	Vets don't know a whole lot about the hoof. I'm not being rude. They just don't. So...farriers do re-sections fairly routinely without consulting a vet. I, too, would be getting some opinions on the care of the resectioned area. __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery

10-15-2009, 09:40 PM
morgan Weanling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 444	I would also get a Vet to look at the hoof. It sounds like a hoof that is sluffing of the wall due to a injury or laminitis. You will need medicine to treat the infection.

10-15-2009, 10:14 PM
lelo2006 Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 983	Vet was not called out due to finances. Gonna get in touch with the ferrier that did the job and see exactly what he has to say about it but vet will be looking at it or at least consulting on what needs to be done before any other decision is made. Apparenly though, most are right. Vet's don't need to be consulted for this type of procedure. WOW! I would of though so going and hacking away that much hoof. __________________ I live how I love and love how I live! WRERS: Edmonton Based Horse Rescue. www.albertahorserescue.com

10-16-2009, 12:16 AM
EquineAlberta Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,006	Isn't the outer wall of a horse's hoof dead tissue normally? Like a human nail? In which case does he mean that the outerwall lost its connection with layer beneath it? Cutting the wall off seems drastic to me, and I would think that most conditions that warrent it would also warrent follow up treatment and/or antibiotics. I imagine this horse will need to be kept inside and warm so that the hoof regrows in a timely fashion. Range in our area most of the Equine specific vets do have good hoof knowledge and/or have a farrier that works closely with them. On the other hand we don't have that many highly educated farriers...they are good, but not many I would trust to do that sort of work. Karen __________________ New Hillside Website The Art of Praise

10-16-2009, 05:26 AM
mingiz Weanling Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Southern MD Posts: 416	I had a gelding that had a resection done on him. It was the last resort at the time. I found a farrier about 100 miles from me and shipped the horse to him. He cut away about half of his hoof. He had a fungal infection in it and none of the local farriers seemd to be able to do anything. After he cut away the hoof I had a lil bottle of meds that the farrier gave me.(4oz for 65$) For 3 months I had to soak the foot , dry it. apply the meds and kept in wrapped and dry. After 3months I had enough foot that I didn't have to Dr. it just kept an eye on it and he also wore a bar shoe. Never had any problems during the process. Sounds like there is an infection in it.. Depneds on how bad it is before I would take it on...could end up being a night mare....Best of luck...... __________________ Never Ride Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly **Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.... 1 TWHBEA, 1 Missouri Fox Trotter 03 Exiss Event 3H ,06 F250 extcab 6.0**

10-16-2009, 03:57 PM
bntnail Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 68	I would be extremely concerned w/ the oozing at the coronary band. As others have said, this would be indicative of an infection. As for the outer hoof wall being dead, It's supposed to be. How much was resected? Toe area,toe/quarter,entire hoof.Partial resctions should be accompanied w/ shoes, preferably w/clips for stabilization and heart bars in severe cases.The only full hoof wall resections I'm aware of were done in a clinic/surgical setting.Don't know the outcome of those cases,but it takes 6-9 mo's to re-grow the wall. Selenium poisoning and severe founder/abscess, are the primary reasons for "sloughing" the hoof wall. IME, outcome is grave to guarded but a vet is a definite must. Best of luck,you and the horse, bntnail,farrier Last edited by bntnail : 10-16-2009 at 04:00 PM. Reason: addiltional info

10-16-2009, 04:28 PM
lelo2006 Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 983	Unfortunely I only got a discription from the person who owns the horse and it was just to say that the ferrier took off all outer wall off until it was down to pink newer hoof. Not sure how much as I haven't seen it. __________________ I live how I love and love how I live! WRERS: Edmonton Based Horse Rescue. www.albertahorserescue.com