White Line Disease

jstacntrygal · 10-13-2009, 05:41 AM

Alright guys, any advise is welcome. Farrier visit yesterday, says my mare has white line disease. Took off a great deal on one hoof, was able to put a shoe back on for protection. She is now stalled. I read up on this and have a call in to my vet to come out.
Does anyone have any experience with this? I would love to know any products that help with killing or drying out the disease. Farrier says to keep it scrubbed out and dry and he is hoping next visit at least the fungus will be gone. Saw a small amount in 2 other hooves and he is pretty sure he was able to scrap all of it out in those.
I have had the same farrier for 5 years, very honest and caring man. He says because of the wet weather he has seen a lot of this in the past months.
Any ideas or comments or experiences anyone can share is welcome. Especially any tricks for quicker healing and hoof repair from the more experienced horse people.
thanks

Wolfesden · 10-13-2009, 07:21 AM

I don't know why he put a shoe on, as that won't allow you to get the medicine in where it needs to be?
Soak the hooves in an epsom salt soak 1 -2 times a week to help draw everything out...
Make sure to keep it dry... even a hairdrier works really well to get it dry inside.
Kopertox mixed with poultry salt (chicken farms would have this) is the best concoction I have found, squirt it all the way in there at least once a day...
Instead of shoes, I found that those boots you can put on for riding (easy boots?) work much better... keeps the hoof dry so you can still turn out too
Good luck! Just got done dealing with a boarder's horse that has it

Wolfesden · 10-13-2009, 07:22 AM

Forgot to add: Hoof supplements will help the hoof grow out quicker to get rid of it too...

pippy · 10-13-2009, 08:30 AM

Mine have had this on and off through out the years. I guess it grows as a fungus in the grass and is very prevalent around this area.
Or so the farrier said. I used Thrush Buster when mine get it, and keep them dry. Clears up relatively quick. I've never had it real bad, usually catch it in the beginning stages before it gets worse.

jstacntrygal · 10-13-2009, 12:38 PM

Wolfsden, he has trimmed away a major section of hoof in the front. It is very open to the air and has the shoe to keep from breaking or chipping the sides away, and also to keep away from the dirt. (at least that is why he explained the shoe.) Only enough hoof for one nail on one side. She is in a stall now, as we are still getting rain.
Soak in epsom salts 2 times a week, and keep dry. I can do that. I dont have any boots, do you think one of the cheaper brands would work for this. I dont use them and will have to purchase some. I think she will do much better with a little turn out.

thanks for the advice any and all is greatly appreciated.

bntnail · 10-13-2009, 06:45 PM

clean-trax

David · 10-14-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jstacntrygal

Wolfsden, he has trimmed away a major section of hoof in the front. It is very open to the air and has the shoe to keep from breaking or chipping the sides away, and also to keep away from the dirt. (at least that is why he explained the shoe.) Only enough hoof for one nail on one side. She is in a stall now, as we are still getting rain.
Soak in epsom salts 2 times a week, and keep dry. I can do that. I dont have any boots, do you think one of the cheaper brands would work for this. I dont use them and will have to purchase some. I think she will do much better with a little turn out.

thanks for the advice any and all is greatly appreciated.

When you say this, do you mean he resected (basically, he cut a window out of the hoof wall between the shoe and coronary band) a portion of the hoof wall? If he did resect then a shoe would be necessary to hold the hoof together and support it. Also, when he shod the hoof did he hot shoe it? A lot of times, if the WLD is not too deep hot shoeing will get rid of the last little bits that scraping won't get rid of. Lastly, what bntnail said.

David

jstacntrygal · 10-14-2009, 09:52 AM

Yes, he cut a large window in front. No he did not hot shoe. I cleaned it out yesterday and applied some spray he said to coat it with, to kill and dry out.
I am waiting on a call from my vet. Just to make sure i am doing everything I can.
Thanks, to everyone for the advice and replies

morgan · 10-14-2009, 09:39 PM

Soak the hoof in copper sulfate and vinegar. Then you can rotate with iodine or peroxide. We use this for our horses and works well.

Island Mist · 10-14-2009, 10:12 PM

Our horse had it when we got her.Our farrier suggested just good ol' hydrogen peroxide,and it got rid of it in short order.

Quote:

Originally Posted by morgan

Soak the hoof in copper sulfate and vinegar. Then you can rotate with iodine or peroxide. We use this for our horses and works well.

Berry · 10-15-2009, 07:32 AM

What is the difference between thrush and white line disease...or is it the same thing?

fishing_trex · 10-15-2009, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berry

What is the difference between thrush and white line disease...or is it the same thing?

Thrush involves the sole, heel and/or frog. White line disease refers to hoof wall separation (it's a bit of a misnomer actually). Excessive wetness can allow bacteria/fungi to enter, as can excessive dryness allowing the hooves to crack and let the organisms in. It can also be caused by improper trimming (flares, long toes, etc) -- basically anything that can weaken the hoof.

I had good luck with Clean Trax for the initial soaking and then White Lightning as a treatment. This worked without doing a resection on the hoof, but we caught it early. Research has been done to indicate that when, once debrided, horses heal from white line about the same whether a topical is used or not. In fact, phenol, formaldehyde, and strong tincture of iodine can damage sensitive tissues and cause permanent hoof damage.

You need to change the environment (keep out of wet or dewey pasture and keep stall dry), make sure you have a good farrier so you are getting a balanced and proper foot, and feed the right diet (biotin and methionine).

HorsesinParadise · 10-24-2009, 08:36 PM

I dealt with this about a year ago now. It was very bad. It all started when she was barefoot and a crack started up the front of one front hoof. Farrier (at the time) said oh nothing to worry about. The crack kept getting bigger and up close to the coronet band. He still said I worried too much. Well, he moved and I got another farrier who said shoe her to maybe keep the crack from widening and help it heal. After she was shod about 4 times, when the shoe came off the next shoeing, she had a very bad case of whiteline disease.

Took her to an equine vet and he took most of the front of her foot off and xrayed showing a slight rotation of the coffin bone. He had a therapeutic farrier on staff and he put a heart bar shoe and padding on that foot. Said it must be supported since it basically had no front to it. Over the course of the next 5-6 months, she regrew the foot and was turned back over to my regular farrier.

The advice the vet gave me (that I am still following today) was to use Koppertox about 4-5 times a week on a regular basis. I let it run from the back of her shoe down toward the toe seeping into all the nail holes. This not only treats it but keeps an oily barrier built up for wet weather.

SarahG · 11-02-2009, 01:29 PM

Hello everyone. For the past two months, I have been researching and learning about WLD. One day I picked up Momma Donkeys hooves and I knew something was off. The below summary is what I have sent to numerous web sites and private farriers with experience in WLD. I am waiting on responces but am asking for everyones advice here too. I have researched WLD non stop. There are so many different treating methods like, ACV, White Lighting, Thrush Buster, Koppertox, Tea Tree Oil, spray, soak, gel, tincture......ect. Which one works?!!! I am hoping that someone with experience will walk me thru what I need to do now. Out of three farriers no one has wanted to do anything? I'm starting to wonder if I'm over acting or am I doing the right thing? Treatment Wise? I will post the replys I get if anyone wants to know what they say about it. You should be able to view the pictures by clicking on the link at the end. If not let me know. Throughout all this I have become facinated and amazed by hooves. I think that there is a real need for good farriers, I am looking into farrier schools and hope it will work out. If anyone has went or can suggest one let me know.

Hello. My name is Sarah. I have a donkey that has White Line Disease. A vet has not diagnosed this but I myself have spent the last 2 months researching and learning about hooves, WLD, and other hoof problems.
I live in South Alabama.
She has never had any hoof problems. She is 6 years old. Never shod.
I have contacted 3 local farriers that came out and no one seem to be concerned. I am told that her hooves are fine and will grow out.
I first noticed some cracks in the hoof wall. This was in August. I proceeded to clean them and see what was going on. There were lots of holes and crevices. Please see pictures. I called farrier (Although I have always done her feet) I wanted to make sure that I had not done anything wrong. Farriers stated that everything looked good, assured me that her hooves were in ok condition, and 1 did a small balanced trim. (She only works with Barefoot Hoof care)
I have been treating her with White Lightning soak and spray. At first I soaked every other day for a week, then every 3 days, then once a week. I clean her hooves out 2x day and if needed wash (with ACV) and blow dry them. I often inbetween soaks spray the holes and cracks in her hooves with the White Lighting I have done this everyday for the last 2 months. The reason that I wash them in ACV is that there was an area of clay that she insisted on walking in that would pack in her hooves. The only way to get it out was to wash and scrub. I have since moved her to another pasture with no clay. This is helping tons! I also have her on a pellet 10% feed and Nu-Foot Vet Formula Powder supplement.Before she was eating sweet feed. Link to Nu-Foot below.
http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&pf_id=11816
This is what I have done and now I need someone to walk me through what I should do next. I have taken many pictures and wrote additional details that may be helpful.
I took pictures 8-22-09. I had cut some hoof wall away and trimmed them a little bit at this point. After that I cleaned them out with a dremel tool to remove damaged tissue.
I don’t think that I was aggressive enough. There were still heavy tracks of fungus damaged tissue. I just removed the hoof wall. Throughout the next 2 months I trimmed very little but on a weekly or every 2 week basis. I continued treatment.
The latest pictures are as of today, I cleaned them out with dremel tool again and here we are. After I soaked her hooves in White Lighting. I have used the last of White Lighting, I believe that I will purchase Clean Trax next.
I believe her hooves look better but I am very concerned that if I continue treating and let the hooves grow out on there own, the crevices will get deeper and thus resulting in me having to remove more and more. In addition to that, because of removing damaged hoof wall and tissue the toe length is obviously too short. There is one hoof (Right Rear) that needs attention but I cannot remove the damaged tissue without having to rebuild the hoof back. The product that I believe is right for the job is Vettec super fast all in one hoof adhesive, or the Adhere glue on shoe hoof repair. http://www.vettec.com/65/products/superfast.html
I believe that my next step is to remove all damaged tissue. Not a whole lot more but until there are no traces or tracks of damaged tissue. I know I will need to treat them with something before I apply the adhesive. Then I will rebuild the Right Rear hoof. If I do this I believe that I should go ahead and rebuild the toe on all hooves to the proper length.
So my questions are:
1. What do you think?
2. Should I clean out more until no traces of damaged tissue are visible?
3. Is rebuilding the toe on all 4 hooves a good idea?
4. What about the chance of trapping fungus or bacteria behind the adhesive?
5. Clean Trax better than White lighting?

I am asking for any advice or instructions that you may have. Please see pictures link below. I have them in order of each foot before (8-22-09) and then (11-1-09).

http://s820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/dsgreen22/donkey/?albumview=slideshow

SarahG · 11-03-2009, 01:54 AM

Hello Everyone. I have spent the last 2 months learning about White Line Disease and hooves. I have sent the following summary to numerous professional farriers and specialist in hoof care asking for advice. So far, the only thing instructed to do is put her on an all natural food. (Mix up sweet potato, banana, orange, some raw nuts, herbs and many other items) I’m sure this is a good idea but… Is this really necessary?
Please don’t tell me to find another Farrier. I have tried 3 different ones, they all say the same. “It’s fine…..”
There are so many treatments, White Lighting, Clean Trax, Thrush Buster, Koppertox, Tea Tree Oil, Vinegar, Gels, Sprays, Soaks, ect. I need to know what works!?
So this is for any farriers or anyone that can help me figure this out! Thanks.

Hello. My name is Sarah. I have a donkey that has White Line Disease. A vet has not diagnosed this but I myself have spent the last 2 months researching and learning about hooves, WLD, and other hoof problems.
I live in South Alabama.
She has never had any hoof problems. She is 6 years old. Never shod.
I have contacted 3 local farriers and none seem to be concerned. I am told that her hooves are fine and will grow out, but from watching the last 2 months any length that has grown out and trimmed off, new tissue has been damaged and had to be removed higher up in the hoof.
I first noticed some cracks in the hoof wall. This was in August. I proceeded to clean them and see what was going on. There were lots of holes and crevices. Please see pictures. I called farrier (Although I have always done her feet) I wanted to make sure that I had not done anything wrong. Farrier stated that everything looked good, assured me that her hooves were in ok condition, and did a small balanced trim.
I have been treating her with White Lightning soak and spray. At first I soaked every other day for a week, then every 3 days, then once a week. I clean her hooves out 2x day and if needed wash (with ACV) and blow dry them. I have done this everyday for the last 2 months. The reason that I wash them in ACV is that there was an area of clay that she insisted on walking in that would pack in her hooves. The only way to get it out was to wash and scrub. I have since moved her to another pasture with no clay. This is helping tons! I also have her on a pellet 10% feed and Nu-Foot Vet Formula Powder supplement.Before she was eating sweet feed. Link to Nu-Foot below.
http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&pf_id=11816
This is what I have done and now I need someone to walk me through what I should do next. I have taken many pictures and wrote additional details that may be helpful.
I took pictures 8-22-09. I had cut some hoof wall away and trimmed them a little bit at this point. After that I cleaned them out with a dremel tool to remove damaged tissue.
I don’t think that I was aggressive enough. There were still heavy tracks of fungus damaged tissue. Throughout the next 2 months I trimmed very little but on a weekly or every 2 week basis. I continued treatment.
The latest pictures are as of today, I cleaned them out with dremel tool again and here we are. After I soaked her hooves in White Lighting. I have used the last of White Lighting, I believe that I will purchase Clean Trax next.
I believe her hooves look better but I am very concerned that if I continue treating and let the hooves grow out on there own, the crevices will get deeper and thus resulting in me having to remove more and more. In addition to that, because of removing damaged hoof wall and tissue the toe length is obviously too short. There is one hoof (Right Rear) that needs attention but I cannot remove the damaged tissue without having to rebuild the hoof back. The product that I believe is right for the job is Vettec super fast all in one hoof adhesive, or the Adhere glue on shoe hoof repair. http://www.vettec.com/65/products/superfast.html
I believe that my next step is to remove all damaged tissue. Not a whole lot more but until there are no traces or tracks of damaged tissue. I know I will need to treat them with something before I apply the adhesive. Then I will rebuild the Right Rear hoof. If I do this I believe that I should go ahead and rebuild the toe on all hooves to the proper length.
So my questions are:
1. What do you think?
2. Should I clean out more until no traces of damaged tissue are visible.?
3. Is rebuilding the toe on all 4 hooves a good idea?
What about the chance of trapping fungus or bacteria behind the adhesive?
I am asking for any advice or instructions that you may have. Please see pictures link below. I have them in order of each foot before (8-22-09) and then (11-1-09). Thank you so much. http://s820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/dsgreen22/donkey/?albumview=slideshow

ThorArb · 11-06-2009, 08:11 PM

My farrier was just out too and told me the same thing about my App filly. Said she has WLD in her front feet and thrush. He gave me a bottle of stuff to put on it and I picked up some thrush buster too.

The only experience Ive had with WLD was with a friend's APHA stallion. He had it horribly and it was a long process. Darn near 2 years before he was almost back to normal. Had to wear special shoes and everything.

So thank goodness for this thread because I need help too! I definitely dont want to have to go through anything like that. My farrier did not take off any hoof wall but scraped a whole bunch of crap out?? Then put the treatment on it. I know its important that she is kept dry so she's turned out instead of being in the stall. I have no grass so its all sugar sand.

fishing_trex · 11-07-2009, 09:20 AM

White Lightning works if used correctly. You can't simply mix and pour it on. You need to wrap the hooves tightly to keep the gases in for each treatment.

We used it on a mare than had white line for quite awhile -- it worked with no resection.

lbequ4002 · 11-08-2009, 08:10 AM

I went through this last year when it was so wet. White Lightning was effective and doesn't harm good tissue. I'd strongly recommend buying heavy duty soaking boots for this. My vet dug it out but didn't resection he just dug out a few little pockets and they grew out. What I do now is rub the bottoms of their feet with diaper rash cream to keep them dry when it's really wet out. Also it was a problem only in 3 of my horses last year who were all related. The others were unaffected. They must have a weaker hoof wall or something.

3horses · 11-08-2009, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishing_trex

White Lightning works if used correctly. You can't simply mix and pour it on. You need to wrap the hooves tightly to keep the gases in for each treatment.

We used it on a mare than had white line for quite awhile -- it worked with no resection.

My farrier recommended White Lightning by Grand Circuit also for a weakness in Satin's front hoof. It seems to constantly chip out in that same spot. We are in the process of treating it with white lightning and are hoping her hoof will be greatly improved by next show season.

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10-13-2009, 05:41 AM
jstacntrygal Halter broke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 109	White Line Disease Alright guys, any advise is welcome. Farrier visit yesterday, says my mare has white line disease. Took off a great deal on one hoof, was able to put a shoe back on for protection. She is now stalled. I read up on this and have a call in to my vet to come out. Does anyone have any experience with this? I would love to know any products that help with killing or drying out the disease. Farrier says to keep it scrubbed out and dry and he is hoping next visit at least the fungus will be gone. Saw a small amount in 2 other hooves and he is pretty sure he was able to scrap all of it out in those. I have had the same farrier for 5 years, very honest and caring man. He says because of the wet weather he has seen a lot of this in the past months. Any ideas or comments or experiences anyone can share is welcome. Especially any tricks for quicker healing and hoof repair from the more experienced horse people. thanks

10-13-2009, 07:21 AM
Wolfesden Weanling Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tullahoma, TN Posts: 386	I don't know why he put a shoe on, as that won't allow you to get the medicine in where it needs to be? Soak the hooves in an epsom salt soak 1 -2 times a week to help draw everything out... Make sure to keep it dry... even a hairdrier works really well to get it dry inside. Kopertox mixed with poultry salt (chicken farms would have this) is the best concoction I have found, squirt it all the way in there at least once a day... Instead of shoes, I found that those boots you can put on for riding (easy boots?) work much better... keeps the hoof dry so you can still turn out too Good luck! Just got done dealing with a boarder's horse that has it __________________ Attempt the impossible! Semper Fi!

10-13-2009, 07:22 AM
Wolfesden Weanling Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tullahoma, TN Posts: 386	Forgot to add: Hoof supplements will help the hoof grow out quicker to get rid of it too... __________________ Attempt the impossible! Semper Fi!

10-13-2009, 08:30 AM
pippy Started Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 2,298	Mine have had this on and off through out the years. I guess it grows as a fungus in the grass and is very prevalent around this area. Or so the farrier said. I used Thrush Buster when mine get it, and keep them dry. Clears up relatively quick. I've never had it real bad, usually catch it in the beginning stages before it gets worse. __________________ "It's never to late to live happily ever after."

10-13-2009, 12:38 PM
jstacntrygal Halter broke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 109	Wolfsden, he has trimmed away a major section of hoof in the front. It is very open to the air and has the shoe to keep from breaking or chipping the sides away, and also to keep away from the dirt. (at least that is why he explained the shoe.) Only enough hoof for one nail on one side. She is in a stall now, as we are still getting rain. Soak in epsom salts 2 times a week, and keep dry. I can do that. I dont have any boots, do you think one of the cheaper brands would work for this. I dont use them and will have to purchase some. I think she will do much better with a little turn out. thanks for the advice any and all is greatly appreciated.

10-13-2009, 06:45 PM
bntnail Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 68	clean-trax

10-14-2009, 09:52 AM
jstacntrygal Halter broke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 109	Yes, he cut a large window in front. No he did not hot shoe. I cleaned it out yesterday and applied some spray he said to coat it with, to kill and dry out. I am waiting on a call from my vet. Just to make sure i am doing everything I can. Thanks, to everyone for the advice and replies

10-14-2009, 09:39 PM
morgan Weanling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 444	Soak the hoof in copper sulfate and vinegar. Then you can rotate with iodine or peroxide. We use this for our horses and works well.

10-15-2009, 07:32 AM
Berry Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Elora, Ontario Posts: 648	What is the difference between thrush and white line disease...or is it the same thing? __________________ Show me your horse and I will tell you who you are. Old English Saying. www.muttnwood.com

10-24-2009, 08:36 PM
HorsesinParadise Newborn Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Paradise, TX Posts: 4	I dealt with this about a year ago now. It was very bad. It all started when she was barefoot and a crack started up the front of one front hoof. Farrier (at the time) said oh nothing to worry about. The crack kept getting bigger and up close to the coronet band. He still said I worried too much. Well, he moved and I got another farrier who said shoe her to maybe keep the crack from widening and help it heal. After she was shod about 4 times, when the shoe came off the next shoeing, she had a very bad case of whiteline disease. Took her to an equine vet and he took most of the front of her foot off and xrayed showing a slight rotation of the coffin bone. He had a therapeutic farrier on staff and he put a heart bar shoe and padding on that foot. Said it must be supported since it basically had no front to it. Over the course of the next 5-6 months, she regrew the foot and was turned back over to my regular farrier. The advice the vet gave me (that I am still following today) was to use Koppertox about 4-5 times a week on a regular basis. I let it run from the back of her shoe down toward the toe seeping into all the nail holes. This not only treats it but keeps an oily barrier built up for wet weather.

11-02-2009, 01:29 PM
SarahG Newborn Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 2	Advice Please! Hello everyone. For the past two months, I have been researching and learning about WLD. One day I picked up Momma Donkeys hooves and I knew something was off. The below summary is what I have sent to numerous web sites and private farriers with experience in WLD. I am waiting on responces but am asking for everyones advice here too. I have researched WLD non stop. There are so many different treating methods like, ACV, White Lighting, Thrush Buster, Koppertox, Tea Tree Oil, spray, soak, gel, tincture......ect. Which one works?!!! I am hoping that someone with experience will walk me thru what I need to do now. Out of three farriers no one has wanted to do anything? I'm starting to wonder if I'm over acting or am I doing the right thing? Treatment Wise? I will post the replys I get if anyone wants to know what they say about it. You should be able to view the pictures by clicking on the link at the end. If not let me know. Throughout all this I have become facinated and amazed by hooves. I think that there is a real need for good farriers, I am looking into farrier schools and hope it will work out. If anyone has went or can suggest one let me know. Hello. My name is Sarah. I have a donkey that has White Line Disease. A vet has not diagnosed this but I myself have spent the last 2 months researching and learning about hooves, WLD, and other hoof problems. I live in South Alabama. She has never had any hoof problems. She is 6 years old. Never shod. I have contacted 3 local farriers that came out and no one seem to be concerned. I am told that her hooves are fine and will grow out. I first noticed some cracks in the hoof wall. This was in August. I proceeded to clean them and see what was going on. There were lots of holes and crevices. Please see pictures. I called farrier (Although I have always done her feet) I wanted to make sure that I had not done anything wrong. Farriers stated that everything looked good, assured me that her hooves were in ok condition, and 1 did a small balanced trim. (She only works with Barefoot Hoof care) I have been treating her with White Lightning soak and spray. At first I soaked every other day for a week, then every 3 days, then once a week. I clean her hooves out 2x day and if needed wash (with ACV) and blow dry them. I often inbetween soaks spray the holes and cracks in her hooves with the White Lighting I have done this everyday for the last 2 months. The reason that I wash them in ACV is that there was an area of clay that she insisted on walking in that would pack in her hooves. The only way to get it out was to wash and scrub. I have since moved her to another pasture with no clay. This is helping tons! I also have her on a pellet 10% feed and Nu-Foot Vet Formula Powder supplement.Before she was eating sweet feed. Link to Nu-Foot below. http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&pf_id=11816 This is what I have done and now I need someone to walk me through what I should do next. I have taken many pictures and wrote additional details that may be helpful. I took pictures 8-22-09. I had cut some hoof wall away and trimmed them a little bit at this point. After that I cleaned them out with a dremel tool to remove damaged tissue. I don’t think that I was aggressive enough. There were still heavy tracks of fungus damaged tissue. I just removed the hoof wall. Throughout the next 2 months I trimmed very little but on a weekly or every 2 week basis. I continued treatment. The latest pictures are as of today, I cleaned them out with dremel tool again and here we are. After I soaked her hooves in White Lighting. I have used the last of White Lighting, I believe that I will purchase Clean Trax next. I believe her hooves look better but I am very concerned that if I continue treating and let the hooves grow out on there own, the crevices will get deeper and thus resulting in me having to remove more and more. In addition to that, because of removing damaged hoof wall and tissue the toe length is obviously too short. There is one hoof (Right Rear) that needs attention but I cannot remove the damaged tissue without having to rebuild the hoof back. The product that I believe is right for the job is Vettec super fast all in one hoof adhesive, or the Adhere glue on shoe hoof repair. http://www.vettec.com/65/products/superfast.html I believe that my next step is to remove all damaged tissue. Not a whole lot more but until there are no traces or tracks of damaged tissue. I know I will need to treat them with something before I apply the adhesive. Then I will rebuild the Right Rear hoof. If I do this I believe that I should go ahead and rebuild the toe on all hooves to the proper length. So my questions are: 1. What do you think? 2. Should I clean out more until no traces of damaged tissue are visible? 3. Is rebuilding the toe on all 4 hooves a good idea? 4. What about the chance of trapping fungus or bacteria behind the adhesive? 5. Clean Trax better than White lighting? I am asking for any advice or instructions that you may have. Please see pictures link below. I have them in order of each foot before (8-22-09) and then (11-1-09). http://s820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/dsgreen22/donkey/?albumview=slideshow

11-03-2009, 01:54 AM
SarahG Newborn Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 2	Need Advice! Hello Everyone. I have spent the last 2 months learning about White Line Disease and hooves. I have sent the following summary to numerous professional farriers and specialist in hoof care asking for advice. So far, the only thing instructed to do is put her on an all natural food. (Mix up sweet potato, banana, orange, some raw nuts, herbs and many other items) I’m sure this is a good idea but… Is this really necessary? Please don’t tell me to find another Farrier. I have tried 3 different ones, they all say the same. “It’s fine…..” There are so many treatments, White Lighting, Clean Trax, Thrush Buster, Koppertox, Tea Tree Oil, Vinegar, Gels, Sprays, Soaks, ect. I need to know what works!? So this is for any farriers or anyone that can help me figure this out! Thanks. Hello. My name is Sarah. I have a donkey that has White Line Disease. A vet has not diagnosed this but I myself have spent the last 2 months researching and learning about hooves, WLD, and other hoof problems. I live in South Alabama. She has never had any hoof problems. She is 6 years old. Never shod. I have contacted 3 local farriers and none seem to be concerned. I am told that her hooves are fine and will grow out, but from watching the last 2 months any length that has grown out and trimmed off, new tissue has been damaged and had to be removed higher up in the hoof. I first noticed some cracks in the hoof wall. This was in August. I proceeded to clean them and see what was going on. There were lots of holes and crevices. Please see pictures. I called farrier (Although I have always done her feet) I wanted to make sure that I had not done anything wrong. Farrier stated that everything looked good, assured me that her hooves were in ok condition, and did a small balanced trim. I have been treating her with White Lightning soak and spray. At first I soaked every other day for a week, then every 3 days, then once a week. I clean her hooves out 2x day and if needed wash (with ACV) and blow dry them. I have done this everyday for the last 2 months. The reason that I wash them in ACV is that there was an area of clay that she insisted on walking in that would pack in her hooves. The only way to get it out was to wash and scrub. I have since moved her to another pasture with no clay. This is helping tons! I also have her on a pellet 10% feed and Nu-Foot Vet Formula Powder supplement.Before she was eating sweet feed. Link to Nu-Foot below. http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&pf_id=11816 This is what I have done and now I need someone to walk me through what I should do next. I have taken many pictures and wrote additional details that may be helpful. I took pictures 8-22-09. I had cut some hoof wall away and trimmed them a little bit at this point. After that I cleaned them out with a dremel tool to remove damaged tissue. I don’t think that I was aggressive enough. There were still heavy tracks of fungus damaged tissue. Throughout the next 2 months I trimmed very little but on a weekly or every 2 week basis. I continued treatment. The latest pictures are as of today, I cleaned them out with dremel tool again and here we are. After I soaked her hooves in White Lighting. I have used the last of White Lighting, I believe that I will purchase Clean Trax next. I believe her hooves look better but I am very concerned that if I continue treating and let the hooves grow out on there own, the crevices will get deeper and thus resulting in me having to remove more and more. In addition to that, because of removing damaged hoof wall and tissue the toe length is obviously too short. There is one hoof (Right Rear) that needs attention but I cannot remove the damaged tissue without having to rebuild the hoof back. The product that I believe is right for the job is Vettec super fast all in one hoof adhesive, or the Adhere glue on shoe hoof repair. http://www.vettec.com/65/products/superfast.html I believe that my next step is to remove all damaged tissue. Not a whole lot more but until there are no traces or tracks of damaged tissue. I know I will need to treat them with something before I apply the adhesive. Then I will rebuild the Right Rear hoof. If I do this I believe that I should go ahead and rebuild the toe on all hooves to the proper length. So my questions are: 1. What do you think? 2. Should I clean out more until no traces of damaged tissue are visible.? 3. Is rebuilding the toe on all 4 hooves a good idea? What about the chance of trapping fungus or bacteria behind the adhesive? I am asking for any advice or instructions that you may have. Please see pictures link below. I have them in order of each foot before (8-22-09) and then (11-1-09). Thank you so much. http://s820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/dsgreen22/donkey/?albumview=slideshow

11-06-2009, 08:11 PM
ThorArb Kid Safe Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Conyers, GA Posts: 5,965	My farrier was just out too and told me the same thing about my App filly. Said she has WLD in her front feet and thrush. He gave me a bottle of stuff to put on it and I picked up some thrush buster too. The only experience Ive had with WLD was with a friend's APHA stallion. He had it horribly and it was a long process. Darn near 2 years before he was almost back to normal. Had to wear special shoes and everything. So thank goodness for this thread because I need help too! I definitely dont want to have to go through anything like that. My farrier did not take off any hoof wall but scraped a whole bunch of crap out?? Then put the treatment on it. I know its important that she is kept dry so she's turned out instead of being in the stall. I have no grass so its all sugar sand. __________________ Proud owner of Dixie (04 QH mare), Dezi (06 App filly), Togan (88 QH gelding)

11-07-2009, 09:20 AM
fishing_trex Greenbroke Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,422	White Lightning works if used correctly. You can't simply mix and pour it on. You need to wrap the hooves tightly to keep the gases in for each treatment. We used it on a mare than had white line for quite awhile -- it worked with no resection. __________________ -- There are two ways to slide easily through life -- to believe everything or to doubt everything. Both ways will save you from thinking.

11-08-2009, 08:10 AM
lbequ4002 Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central AL Posts: 962	I went through this last year when it was so wet. White Lightning was effective and doesn't harm good tissue. I'd strongly recommend buying heavy duty soaking boots for this. My vet dug it out but didn't resection he just dug out a few little pockets and they grew out. What I do now is rub the bottoms of their feet with diaper rash cream to keep them dry when it's really wet out. Also it was a problem only in 3 of my horses last year who were all related. The others were unaffected. They must have a weaker hoof wall or something.