Tell me what you see in these x-rays.

Range · 10-12-2009, 07:17 PM

evelynwolfe · 10-13-2009, 01:20 AM

I see a nice, well balanced, hoof...Am I off?

resthavenfarms · 10-13-2009, 01:33 AM

Bony projects (osteophytes) on the coffin bone.

dunamovin · 10-13-2009, 09:54 AM

How old is the horse? See some wear and tear; but nothing major. But it depends on the age and use of the horse if this will become a problem.

Arabx · 10-13-2009, 10:43 AM

Why didn't the vet take the shoe off before taking x-rays?

evelynwolfe · 10-13-2009, 12:35 PM

Ooops, I am off. The coffin bone is tilted according to the shoe...and it does seem a bit "spongy" now that I look closer.

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Originally Posted by evelynwolfe

I see a nice, well balanced, hoof...Am I off?

bntnail · 10-13-2009, 06:28 PM

Out of balance med/lat(gimmie w/ measurements on first x-ray), flat plane coffin bone, lollipops on nav, ossification of lat cartilage(mild), possible pedal osteitis and de-mineralization of coffin bone(hard to say for sure w/o having foot in hand. Has had issues considering the nav shoes he's wearing. All conjecture considering I'm not a vet nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

bntnail,farrier

Range · 10-13-2009, 07:36 PM

He's nine. Light use. Doing a bit of everything. I'd like to say moderate use, but we've had a year of unexplained lameness - everything from shoulder to foot.

Vet didn't say anything about demineralization - what exactly is that?

No lollipops per the vet, either. Nothing to indicate caudal heel pain syndrome at all, in fact, from either vet or farrier.

The shoe is a Jim Keith navicular shoe because that's what the horse's angles indicate. He craves this shoe for some reason. In flats, he throws out his shoulder. He was just shod, the farrier was unavailable when the vet was available - thus the shoe on for the x-ray. The angle side to side is off because he wears his outside heel out of proportion to the inside (possibly due to a less than ideal hoof thickness), so the outside must be set higher. Remember, this is a week old shoe job.

The x-rays were taken after nerve blocks. The vet thought she saw some smudging in the lateral cartilege indicating some scar tissue that could be causing lameness problems.

The ossification of the lateral cartilage...might this be due to age?

Okay, here's the kicker. Here's the reason it might be scar tissue. Here's the reason I'm not wondering if I see some missing bone on the left side....

For those following Romeo's hoof injury - graphic. 05/17/08

He was sound for a year after the injury. Now....not so much. But, I still see nothing that would indicate it's the foot that's the problem.

bntnail · 10-13-2009, 10:31 PM

[quote][quote=Range;1746519]He's nine. Light use. Doing a bit of everything. I'd like to say moderate use, but we've had a year of unexplained lameness - everything from shoulder to foot.

Vet didn't say anything about demineralization - what exactly is that?[quote]
Bone loss usually around the periphery of the coffin bone.Hard to judge w/o a series of rads over time.

[quote]No lollipops per the vet, either. Nothing to indicate caudal heel pain syndrome at all, in fact, from either vet or farrier.[quote]
Sorry, can't mark-up photos. Skyline view,bottom edge of nav bone,4 lighter colored areas that look like "lolly pops".Doesn't guarantee lameness,but can be significant.

[quote]The shoe is a Jim Keith navicular shoe because that's what the horse's angles indicate. He craves this shoe for some reason. In flats, he throws out his shoulder.[quote]
Makes sense considering the flat plane of the coffin bone.

[quote] He was just shod, the farrier was unavailable when the vet was available - thus the shoe on for the x-ray. The angle side to side is off because he wears his outside heel out of proportion to the inside (possibly due to a less than ideal hoof thickness), so the outside must be set higher. Remember, this is a week old shoe job.[quote]
Still wouldn't trim/shoe out of med/lat balance.Causes problems w/ joint spacing.

[quote]The x-rays were taken after nerve blocks. The vet thought she saw some smudging in the lateral cartilege indicating some scar tissue that could be causing lameness problems.[quote]
Possibly.

[quote]The ossification of the lateral cartilage...might this be due to age?[quote]
Age and/or usually concussion. Don't appear to be active,edges are smooth.

[quote]Okay, here's the kicker. Here's the reason it might be scar tissue. Here's the reason I'm not wondering if I see some missing bone on the left side....

For those following Romeo's hoof injury - graphic. 05/17/08

He was sound for a year after the injury. Now....not so much. But, I still see nothing that would indicate it's the foot that's the problem.[quote]
Nice job of caring for the injury.

As for the lameness, would try to balance med/lat. I'm guessing there s no response to hoof testers? May be a joint issue.Good luck.

evelynwolfe · 10-13-2009, 10:53 PM

[quote=bntnail;1746612][quote][quote=Range;1746519]He's nine. Light use. Doing a bit of everything. I'd like to say moderate use, but we've had a year of unexplained lameness - everything from shoulder to foot.

Vet didn't say anything about demineralization - what exactly is that?[quote]
Bone loss usually around the periphery of the coffin bone.Hard to judge w/o a series of rads over time.

[quote]No lollipops per the vet, either. Nothing to indicate caudal heel pain syndrome at all, in fact, from either vet or farrier.[quote]
Sorry, can't mark-up photos. Skyline view,bottom edge of nav bone,4 lighter colored areas that look like "lolly pops".Doesn't guarantee lameness,but can be significant.

[quote]The shoe is a Jim Keith navicular shoe because that's what the horse's angles indicate. He craves this shoe for some reason. In flats, he throws out his shoulder.[quote]
Makes sense considering the flat plane of the coffin bone.

[quote] He was just shod, the farrier was unavailable when the vet was available - thus the shoe on for the x-ray. The angle side to side is off because he wears his outside heel out of proportion to the inside (possibly due to a less than ideal hoof thickness), so the outside must be set higher. Remember, this is a week old shoe job.[quote]
Still wouldn't trim/shoe out of med/lat balance.Causes problems w/ joint spacing.

[quote]The x-rays were taken after nerve blocks. The vet thought she saw some smudging in the lateral cartilege indicating some scar tissue that could be causing lameness problems.[quote]
Possibly.

[quote]The ossification of the lateral cartilage...might this be due to age?[quote]
Age and/or usually concussion. Don't appear to be active,edges are smooth.

[quote]Okay, here's the kicker. Here's the reason it might be scar tissue. Here's the reason I'm not wondering if I see some missing bone on the left side....

For those following Romeo's hoof injury - graphic. 05/17/08

He was sound for a year after the injury. Now....not so much. But, I still see nothing that would indicate it's the foot that's the problem.

Quote:

Nice job of caring for the injury.

As for the lameness, would try to balance med/lat. I'm guessing there s no response to hoof testers? May be a joint issue.Good luck.

Wow, maybe you should just fix her problem for her! Can I fly you out to my place, put you under my bed, feed you now and then and keep you as my personal farrier? Lol!

Very informative!

thekingsgirl07 · 10-13-2009, 10:53 PM

Can you post pictures of his hoof now. My Saddlebred had a similar injury. and he ended up lame after a year and half and it was his heel giving him problems. It also looks a little i guess spongy.

bntnail · 10-13-2009, 11:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by evelynwolfe

Wow, maybe you should just fix her problem for her! Can I fly you out to my place, put you under my bed, feed you now and then and keep you as my personal farrier? Lol!

Very informative!

I ship well,don't go off feed, and have no expiration date.

As to "fixing", I generally hope for improvement to the point that it becomes a non-issue.

I've found few guarantees, a hand full of successes, a couple of heartaches, and much satisfaction in shoeing horses.

Think I'll let her farrier take care of things.

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10-12-2009, 07:17 PM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,929	Tell me what you see in these x-rays. __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery www.goatsandsoaps.com for all your Boer goat and bath soap needs.

10-13-2009, 01:20 AM
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10-13-2009, 01:33 AM
resthavenfarms Halter broke Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 172	Bony projects (osteophytes) on the coffin bone.

10-13-2009, 09:54 AM
dunamovin Weanling Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: where the blacktop ends Posts: 367	Age How old is the horse? See some wear and tear; but nothing major. But it depends on the age and use of the horse if this will become a problem.

10-13-2009, 10:43 AM
Arabx Weanling Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hat Creek Cattle Company Posts: 360	Why didn't the vet take the shoe off before taking x-rays? __________________ "I am I because my little dog knows me" - Gertrude Stein

10-13-2009, 06:28 PM
bntnail Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: mid-west Posts: 89	Out of balance med/lat(gimmie w/ measurements on first x-ray), flat plane coffin bone, lollipops on nav, ossification of lat cartilage(mild), possible pedal osteitis and de-mineralization of coffin bone(hard to say for sure w/o having foot in hand. Has had issues considering the nav shoes he's wearing. All conjecture considering I'm not a vet nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. bntnail,farrier

10-13-2009, 07:36 PM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,929	He's nine. Light use. Doing a bit of everything. I'd like to say moderate use, but we've had a year of unexplained lameness - everything from shoulder to foot. Vet didn't say anything about demineralization - what exactly is that? No lollipops per the vet, either. Nothing to indicate caudal heel pain syndrome at all, in fact, from either vet or farrier. The shoe is a Jim Keith navicular shoe because that's what the horse's angles indicate. He craves this shoe for some reason. In flats, he throws out his shoulder. He was just shod, the farrier was unavailable when the vet was available - thus the shoe on for the x-ray. The angle side to side is off because he wears his outside heel out of proportion to the inside (possibly due to a less than ideal hoof thickness), so the outside must be set higher. Remember, this is a week old shoe job. The x-rays were taken after nerve blocks. The vet thought she saw some smudging in the lateral cartilege indicating some scar tissue that could be causing lameness problems. The ossification of the lateral cartilage...might this be due to age? Okay, here's the kicker. Here's the reason it might be scar tissue. Here's the reason I'm not wondering if I see some missing bone on the left side.... For those following Romeo's hoof injury - graphic. 05/17/08 He was sound for a year after the injury. Now....not so much. But, I still see nothing that would indicate it's the foot that's the problem. __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery www.goatsandsoaps.com for all your Boer goat and bath soap needs.

10-13-2009, 10:31 PM
bntnail Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: mid-west Posts: 89	[quote][quote=Range;1746519]He's nine. Light use. Doing a bit of everything. I'd like to say moderate use, but we've had a year of unexplained lameness - everything from shoulder to foot. Vet didn't say anything about demineralization - what exactly is that?[quote] Bone loss usually around the periphery of the coffin bone.Hard to judge w/o a series of rads over time. [quote]No lollipops per the vet, either. Nothing to indicate caudal heel pain syndrome at all, in fact, from either vet or farrier.[quote] Sorry, can't mark-up photos. Skyline view,bottom edge of nav bone,4 lighter colored areas that look like "lolly pops".Doesn't guarantee lameness,but can be significant. [quote]The shoe is a Jim Keith navicular shoe because that's what the horse's angles indicate. He craves this shoe for some reason. In flats, he throws out his shoulder.[quote] Makes sense considering the flat plane of the coffin bone. [quote] He was just shod, the farrier was unavailable when the vet was available - thus the shoe on for the x-ray. The angle side to side is off because he wears his outside heel out of proportion to the inside (possibly due to a less than ideal hoof thickness), so the outside must be set higher. Remember, this is a week old shoe job.[quote] Still wouldn't trim/shoe out of med/lat balance.Causes problems w/ joint spacing. [quote]The x-rays were taken after nerve blocks. The vet thought she saw some smudging in the lateral cartilege indicating some scar tissue that could be causing lameness problems.[quote] Possibly. [quote]The ossification of the lateral cartilage...might this be due to age?[quote] Age and/or usually concussion. Don't appear to be active,edges are smooth. [quote]Okay, here's the kicker. Here's the reason it might be scar tissue. Here's the reason I'm not wondering if I see some missing bone on the left side.... For those following Romeo's hoof injury - graphic. 05/17/08 He was sound for a year after the injury. Now....not so much. But, I still see nothing that would indicate it's the foot that's the problem.[quote] Nice job of caring for the injury. As for the lameness, would try to balance med/lat. I'm guessing there s no response to hoof testers? May be a joint issue.Good luck.

10-13-2009, 10:53 PM
thekingsgirl07 Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 70	Can you post pictures of his hoof now. My Saddlebred had a similar injury. and he ended up lame after a year and half and it was his heel giving him problems. It also looks a little i guess spongy.