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FireCracker · 09-10-2009, 09:25 AM

I went out to look at a horse yesterday. He's due for a trim at the very least. He's about 10 yrs old, Appy. He's mostly just sitting out in the pasture. Owner says she saw this that morning and only noticed it b/c his back leg was stocked up from sitting in a stall waiting for me to arrive. She wanted him to stay clean. This wound (?) isn't sensitive to the touch. He's not lame. Sorry for the bad pics - it's a back hoof and he obviously didn't like to stand on 3 legs. He's big, fat and lazy. Not my horse so I had limited access to cleaning the hoof or making the horse stand.

Danni L · 09-10-2009, 10:00 AM

looks like he sliced the back of his heel off

Sirita_88 · 09-10-2009, 11:22 AM

Yes, it looks like he cut some part of his heel, but would be easier to tell exactly what happened in person, I can't eactly tell where each of the pics were taken relative to the rest of the hoof.. In the last hoof is that the back of the frog near the cut? It looks like an odd-shaped frog

dunno...

Horselady44 · 09-10-2009, 11:29 AM

That is the frog Im pretty sure...it looks like injury...it may be a older injury since it isnt sensitive....although it sure looks like it would be. Def dosnt look good looks like he either got it caught on something and ripped it or he sliced it on something... He walks fine? no bobbing of the head or limping?

Sirita_88 · 09-10-2009, 11:38 AM

I think I would pass just looking at that horses hoof, that frog is very uneven... leads me to believe he's had bad heels for a while.

FireCracker · 09-10-2009, 11:42 AM

They sent me some new pics as they are going to call the vet anyway and they had to clean him up:

In person it almost seems like this is a growth coming from under the frog at the heel. I know Apps are prone to cancer

beth55051 · 09-10-2009, 11:46 AM

Looks like proud flesh that has grown on an older wound.

livinthedream · 09-10-2009, 11:53 AM

I have to 2nd, the proud flesh, on an older wound, but almost looks like , a abscess that ruptured, what ever it is , needs to be cleaned and treated..good luck

sundancer maiden · 09-10-2009, 12:22 PM

Sure glad the owner is getting a vet out! I would love to hear his opinion.

misstishus · 09-10-2009, 12:59 PM

To me, it looks like part of the heel bulb was sliced open, not noticed, and developed infection. I looks like the frog is about to fall off (probably had infection underneath it), and the would itself has proud flesh and granulation tissue which tells me it went un-noticed for some time. It looks shallow, so probably not overly serious, but I would be concerned about how the hoof grows back. Any time you get a cut on the heel bulb or coronary band, the hoof will grow in weak, and sometimes mis-shapen. What were your intended uses for this horse?

theoldbear · 09-10-2009, 01:39 PM

Looks a whole lot like what I found on the heel of an App mare I went to look at in Georgia last year. I forfeited my deposit and came home!

Had one of these on my old App years ago. Took forever to heal. It is proud flesh, from a post-wound infection. Takes time and effort to cure.

Our vet excised the "bad stuff", and then we treated the wound, kept it dry and clean, and medicated, for weeks. Being where it is, there is not much circulation there, so it takes forever to heal. I said that before didn't I?

I'm old, I can repeat myself.

I'm also too old and fat to bend over and stand on my head to doctor a horse's heel twice a day every day.

I don't think this is unique to Apps nor is this a place where Apps "get cancer."

Amy · 09-10-2009, 01:56 PM

Looks nasty. I sure as hell woiuldn't buy from a person who claimed not to notice that... they're either not being honest or very innattentive.

Range · 09-10-2009, 07:32 PM

I gotta' agree. Old wound, proud flesh, infection. I sure would have my vet and my farrier check that one out.

Oran'sMom · 09-10-2009, 07:40 PM

poor thing it looks terribly painful! hopefully nothing too serious...

horselady · 09-10-2009, 08:44 PM

I agree with old injury and not being maintained at all in a long time.
Now I would buy him and put on a diet and let a proper farrier and vet care take care of the hoof. in 6 months a new horse will evolve.

Mav2007 · 09-10-2009, 09:16 PM

Are you interested in buying the horse?
If so, I would have a vet and farrier evaluate. Then I'd decrease the offer by several hundred.

It does look like an old wound that went untreated, unnoticed and now it's infected. Might not heal up that bad or be a huge deal, but I wouldn't want to buy a problem.

Horselady44 · 09-10-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav2007

Are you interested in buying the horse?
If so, I would have a vet and farrier evaluate. Then I'd decrease the offer by several hundred.

It does look like an old wound that went untreated, unnoticed and now it's infected. Might not heal up that bad or be a huge deal, but I wouldn't want to buy a problem.

I agree...I def would have a farrier and vet look at it before you buy...if your still interested in after looking at that.

eventergirl09 · 10-06-2009, 06:57 PM

Looks like a tumor to me...sarcoid maybe?

mlh619 · 10-06-2009, 07:35 PM

I thought it looked kinda like a tumor too.... but you never know

redboy · 10-07-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eventergirl09

Looks like a tumor to me...sarcoid maybe?

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Originally Posted by mlh619

I thought it looked kinda like a tumor too.... but you never know

Seems an odd place for a tumor, don't you think??
I don't know, but, 'left untreated, old infection, proud flesh' would make more sense to me, JMO

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I would certainly want my vet and farrier to address this issue before I'd consider any purchase of this horse.
Hopefully now that its been addressed, it will get the attention that it surely needs.

09-10-2009, 09:25 AM
FireCracker Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North FL Posts: 17	What's this? I went out to look at a horse yesterday. He's due for a trim at the very least. He's about 10 yrs old, Appy. He's mostly just sitting out in the pasture. Owner says she saw this that morning and only noticed it b/c his back leg was stocked up from sitting in a stall waiting for me to arrive. She wanted him to stay clean. This wound (?) isn't sensitive to the touch. He's not lame. Sorry for the bad pics - it's a back hoof and he obviously didn't like to stand on 3 legs. He's big, fat and lazy. Not my horse so I had limited access to cleaning the hoof or making the horse stand. __________________ Disclaimer: In order to make a succinct argument, I will obviously have to reduce things to more black and white concepts so realize that things are being generalized. Realize every statement has a large fuzzy region around the core argument to accommodate the reality of an infinite spectrum of attitudes and actions.

09-10-2009, 10:00 AM
Danni L Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Red Deer,Alberta Posts: 627	looks like he sliced the back of his heel off __________________ Rain- gorgeous grey 6 year old mustang, just getting started under saddle Guido-adorable yearling Appaloosa Sport Horse

09-10-2009, 11:22 AM
Sirita_88 Started Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mt. Juliet, Tennessee Posts: 2,415	Yes, it looks like he cut some part of his heel, but would be easier to tell exactly what happened in person, I can't eactly tell where each of the pics were taken relative to the rest of the hoof.. In the last hoof is that the back of the frog near the cut? It looks like an odd-shaped frog dunno...

09-10-2009, 11:29 AM
Horselady44 Started Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 2,401	That is the frog Im pretty sure...it looks like injury...it may be a older injury since it isnt sensitive....although it sure looks like it would be. Def dosnt look good looks like he either got it caught on something and ripped it or he sliced it on something... He walks fine? no bobbing of the head or limping? __________________ A happy horse equals a happy rider!

09-10-2009, 11:38 AM
Sirita_88 Started Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mt. Juliet, Tennessee Posts: 2,415	I think I would pass just looking at that horses hoof, that frog is very uneven... leads me to believe he's had bad heels for a while.

09-10-2009, 11:42 AM
FireCracker Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North FL Posts: 17	New pics They sent me some new pics as they are going to call the vet anyway and they had to clean him up: In person it almost seems like this is a growth coming from under the frog at the heel. I know Apps are prone to cancer __________________ Disclaimer: In order to make a succinct argument, I will obviously have to reduce things to more black and white concepts so realize that things are being generalized. Realize every statement has a large fuzzy region around the core argument to accommodate the reality of an infinite spectrum of attitudes and actions.

09-10-2009, 11:46 AM
beth55051 Bombproof Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: East Central Minnesota Posts: 7,977	Looks like proud flesh that has grown on an older wound. __________________ *Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened.*

09-10-2009, 11:53 AM
livinthedream Yearling Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In the Oven!!! Posts: 991	I have to 2nd, the proud flesh, on an older wound, but almost looks like , a abscess that ruptured, what ever it is , needs to be cleaned and treated..good luck __________________ 3 next year for sure... Barney changed my life because I changed his ! www.ponderosaminiatures.com

09-10-2009, 12:22 PM
sundancer maiden Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Udall, KS Posts: 1,499	Sure glad the owner is getting a vet out! I would love to hear his opinion. __________________ You don't have to be crazy to be my friend, but it helps!!!

09-10-2009, 12:59 PM
misstishus Weanling Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 273	To me, it looks like part of the heel bulb was sliced open, not noticed, and developed infection. I looks like the frog is about to fall off (probably had infection underneath it), and the would itself has proud flesh and granulation tissue which tells me it went un-noticed for some time. It looks shallow, so probably not overly serious, but I would be concerned about how the hoof grows back. Any time you get a cut on the heel bulb or coronary band, the hoof will grow in weak, and sometimes mis-shapen. What were your intended uses for this horse?

09-10-2009, 01:39 PM
theoldbear Yearling Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arcadia, Florida Posts: 771	Looks a whole lot like what I found on the heel of an App mare I went to look at in Georgia last year. I forfeited my deposit and came home! Had one of these on my old App years ago. Took forever to heal. It is proud flesh, from a post-wound infection. Takes time and effort to cure. Our vet excised the "bad stuff", and then we treated the wound, kept it dry and clean, and medicated, for weeks. Being where it is, there is not much circulation there, so it takes forever to heal. I said that before didn't I? I'm old, I can repeat myself. I'm also too old and fat to bend over and stand on my head to doctor a horse's heel twice a day every day. I don't think this is unique to Apps nor is this a place where Apps "get cancer."

09-10-2009, 01:56 PM
Amy Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chino Valley, AZ Posts: 562	Looks nasty. I sure as hell woiuldn't buy from a person who claimed not to notice that... they're either not being honest or very innattentive.

09-10-2009, 07:32 PM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,739	I gotta' agree. Old wound, proud flesh, infection. I sure would have my vet and my farrier check that one out. __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery

09-10-2009, 07:40 PM
Oran'sMom Yearling Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 817	poor thing it looks terribly painful! hopefully nothing too serious... __________________ Oran

09-10-2009, 08:44 PM
horselady Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 6,428	I agree with old injury and not being maintained at all in a long time. Now I would buy him and put on a diet and let a proper farrier and vet care take care of the hoof. in 6 months a new horse will evolve. __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime

09-10-2009, 09:16 PM
Mav2007 Started Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,672	Are you interested in buying the horse? If so, I would have a vet and farrier evaluate. Then I'd decrease the offer by several hundred. It does look like an old wound that went untreated, unnoticed and now it's infected. Might not heal up that bad or be a huge deal, but I wouldn't want to buy a problem. __________________

10-06-2009, 06:57 PM
eventergirl09 Halter broke Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 143	Looks like a tumor to me...sarcoid maybe? __________________ A horse gallops with its lungs, perseveres with its heart, and wins with its character. ~ Tessio

10-06-2009, 07:35 PM
mlh619 Yearling Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sask, Canada Posts: 820	I thought it looked kinda like a tumor too.... but you never know __________________ Against the grain should be a way of life Don't take the free ride in your own life