FYI: Horse Allergies and Vaccines - Page 3

rivervu2 · 10-21-2008, 10:18 AM

Well, we double-dosed all of the horses with Equimax last week with some interesting results. My gelding, who exibited no symptoms of NTWs, did just fine. He had a couple of minor spots on his face where it appears the immature worms surfaced. The yearling filly, same thing. The paint mare, who had major symptoms of infestation, has had a huge reaction. Within the first few days she became very itchy. Rub The Whole Body On The Fence type itchy!

I checked her 2 days ago and she has major skin eruptions on her face, neck and between her legs. She didn't appear to be that itchy anymore but was uncomfortable. I'm going to treat these areas topically with ivermectin as she seemed to repond well to that before. They are due for their second dose this Sunday so I have hopes that this poor mare will improve after that. Does this sound like a normal response?

TikiGator · 11-01-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rivervu2

Well, we double-dosed all of the horses with Equimax last week with some interesting results. My gelding, who exibited no symptoms of NTWs, did just fine. He had a couple of minor spots on his face where it appears the immature worms surfaced. The yearling filly, same thing. The paint mare, who had major symptoms of infestation, has had a huge reaction. Within the first few days she became very itchy. Rub The Whole Body On The Fence type itchy!

I checked her 2 days ago and she has major skin eruptions on her face, neck and between her legs. She didn't appear to be that itchy anymore but was uncomfortable. I'm going to treat these areas topically with ivermectin as she seemed to repond well to that before. They are due for their second dose this Sunday so I have hopes that this poor mare will improve after that. Does this sound like a normal response?

Yes from what I have heard and the experiences I've had, that is normal--for them to be SUPER itchy after you deworm, and have eruptions in areas where the worms will surface. I double dosed my guys, didn't notice a huge difference until I double dosed them again, 2 weeks later. MAJOR improvements on itching and the skin.

It's helped all my guys tremendously except my stallion.

Of course. He's still totally itchy even with the cold weather we've been having. There are no bugs. And he continues to itch his mane and rub all over. Maybe he's just weird.

LOL I will keep ya'll posted but so far everyone else that was itching is doing much much better! i am also treating a few horses topically with Ivermectin. seems to be working great!

oveywon · 11-01-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TikiGator

It's helped all my guys tremendously except my stallion.

Of course. He's still totally itchy even with the cold weather we've been having. There are no bugs. And he continues to itch his mane and rub all over. Maybe he's just weird.

Is this the horse you have on allergy shots?

rivervu2 · 11-04-2008, 08:18 AM

Double dosed them again a week ago Sunday. The mare has been so itchy ever since. Again, eruptions on her face and neck. What's interesting is that these eruptions are circular, almost like a curled up worm surfacing. I'll try to get pictures. All I can think is that this mare was infested so I hope she improves after this last treatment. Used 2 tubes of Ivermectin on her topically to treat the areas. I don't know what else to do for her. She's on powdered antihisthemine as well.

graceway2008 · 11-29-2008, 01:02 PM

Omg!! What a lucky boy he is to have an owner like you!! He looks gorgeous now! I hope the shots continue to help.

hooks2 · 12-07-2008, 05:34 AM

ok this is a little new to me so bare with me. ray is a 12 yr old paint/thoroughbred cross for the last five or six years he would get sunburned or so i thought on his face. the last two he has gotten worse and sense September of this year its really bad. he has lost all the hair on his nose from midway down and under the chin,, has large flake's of skin falling off, the weird thing is the black line that diferenciates his white from sorrel hair is where the hair loss stops he has a few places up high on his forehead too. he is on safe choice year round, MSM April to October, 4cc dex 6cc banamine weekends (only if a race) may to October and alfalfa hay turned out evenings April to September rest of the year he is out durning the day. a few years ago i thought it could a reaction to clover and photosesitivity Now I'm thinking alfalfa because five to six years ago we sated feeding safe choice which has alfalfa meal then three years ago we changed from grass hay to grass/alfalfa mix last spring we ran out of hay and fed straight alfalfa until about end of April then grass hay and pasture until July then back on alfalfa until three weeks ago. he normally would get a little sunburned but sunblock helped until this year i have put every thing under the sun (no pun intended) on him with no luck he has pink, scabby, hairless skin right before he looses new hair it will get white and almost powdery looking. could it be he has just built up to much protein and the alfalfa it what he is allergic to any advice would be great my vet has no clue

nightshade · 04-04-2009, 06:52 PM

I am new to this topic, at least on-line. I have had three horses with these symptoms. I was always told it was "cuilicoides(sp) hypersensitivity".I work for a small animal vet and noticed the equine allergy testing offered along with the canine tests.

I was walking on water last fall after I tested the youngest of two full sisters and received the results. The only insect she was allergic to was the horse fly. Like some others on here it was grasses,weeds, trees, fungi, foods and some pollen. Oh, I forgot, she was also allergic to cotton(bedsheets?)

I didn't get a whole lot of help from Spectrum as to how to manage her care while trying to prevent the itching and rubbing from starting up while the immunity was getting built up from the shots. Of course I didn't ask.

All along I was expecting to have to pay over $500 for the vaccine. Had I known it was fairly inexpensive I would have started well before time for the allergens to begin bothering. Better late than never. This horse also hates needles but using the insulin needles has been very helpful.

Have any other folks done things to prevent access to the allergen causes?
I realize it is necessary to not feed corn,molasses and soybean. I have fed only hay most of the winter since I can't get her to eat alfalfa pellets(soaked in water) or dry. It seems that if the offending grasses are dried in hay they don't cause any problems. The dominant grass here in VT is orchard grass. Of course who doesn't have ragweed? Is it physical contact with these things that causes the itching?

I am so glad to have found this forum. I only hope someone is still active here. I really appreciate any suggestions you might have. Thanks.

GreyDot · 04-14-2009, 08:08 PM

First of all, WELCOME

I know you'll love it here!

Second, although there may not have been any recent posts on this thread, I'm sure someone will chime in and offer a suggestion.

Personally, I've had to deal with tail rubbing and itching on my gelding for many years - and thought I had it narrowed down to culicoides sensitivity, too, just like you - in fact, last year he spent the whole summer wearing a fly sheet 24/7, and it seemed to help. However, now that we've moved from Arizona to Ohio, Dot has started to rub his tail again... now, it's April, in Ohio - a bit early for culicoides. So, I'm at a loss again. However, I'm interested in what you are saying about not feeding corn, molasses or soybeans - I've just changed feed to a beet-pulp based feed instead of a corn-based one, so it'll be interesting to watch progress.

Again, welcome to the bunch

Cariboocountry · 05-26-2009, 12:57 AM

All I can say is WOW, I have had horses my whole life and there are things in these threads I have NEVER heard of. My gelding who I have had for 9 years has rubbed his mane off every year, I thought he just didn't like it, or he would get sweaty, cause he would only rub in the summer and early spring then it would start growing again. We moved last fall, from northern British Columbia to Central BC and he hasn't touched it, it is the longest I have ever seen it, makes me wonder about allergies and neck thread worms. Thanks everyone for all the info.

morgan · 06-06-2009, 10:25 PM

My horse is itchier than he's been in 5 years. He gets allergy shots and I don't know what got this going. I did have to feed him some T/A this spring as the Coastal was musty and he is allergic to molds. He is back on thhe Coastal now but still itching. everywhere he sweats he breaks out and itches. He has a fly sheet, fan etc. My farrier suggested cooling his skin down twice a day by rinsing with water. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

horselady · 07-05-2009, 06:44 AM

Sounds like you have to rinse his hay off to get rid of any mold.
My vet suggested Benedryll, buy the cheap stuff from wall-mart, or dollar store and give 5 pills, am and pm. should stop the itching.
Call vet for his advice, also there is an injeciteble called Dexamethesone spelling might not be right but that is how it is pronounced.

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10-21-2008, 10:18 AM
rivervu2 Started Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,407	Well, we double-dosed all of the horses with Equimax last week with some interesting results. My gelding, who exibited no symptoms of NTWs, did just fine. He had a couple of minor spots on his face where it appears the immature worms surfaced. The yearling filly, same thing. The paint mare, who had major symptoms of infestation, has had a huge reaction. Within the first few days she became very itchy. Rub The Whole Body On The Fence type itchy! I checked her 2 days ago and she has major skin eruptions on her face, neck and between her legs. She didn't appear to be that itchy anymore but was uncomfortable. I'm going to treat these areas topically with ivermectin as she seemed to repond well to that before. They are due for their second dose this Sunday so I have hopes that this poor mare will improve after that. Does this sound like a normal response? __________________ *"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."* *Thomas Jefferson*

11-04-2008, 08:18 AM
rivervu2 Started Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,407	Double dosed them again a week ago Sunday. The mare has been so itchy ever since. Again, eruptions on her face and neck. What's interesting is that these eruptions are circular, almost like a curled up worm surfacing. I'll try to get pictures. All I can think is that this mare was infested so I hope she improves after this last treatment. Used 2 tubes of Ivermectin on her topically to treat the areas. I don't know what else to do for her. She's on powdered antihisthemine as well. __________________ *"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."* *Thomas Jefferson*

11-29-2008, 01:02 PM
graceway2008 Newborn Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 7	allergies Omg!! What a lucky boy he is to have an owner like you!! He looks gorgeous now! I hope the shots continue to help.

12-07-2008, 05:34 AM
hooks2 Newborn Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: illinois Posts: 1	paint/throughbred cross no hair on blaze -allegies??? ok this is a little new to me so bare with me. ray is a 12 yr old paint/thoroughbred cross for the last five or six years he would get sunburned or so i thought on his face. the last two he has gotten worse and sense September of this year its really bad. he has lost all the hair on his nose from midway down and under the chin,, has large flake's of skin falling off, the weird thing is the black line that diferenciates his white from sorrel hair is where the hair loss stops he has a few places up high on his forehead too. he is on safe choice year round, MSM April to October, 4cc dex 6cc banamine weekends (only if a race) may to October and alfalfa hay turned out evenings April to September rest of the year he is out durning the day. a few years ago i thought it could a reaction to clover and photosesitivity Now I'm thinking alfalfa because five to six years ago we sated feeding safe choice which has alfalfa meal then three years ago we changed from grass hay to grass/alfalfa mix last spring we ran out of hay and fed straight alfalfa until about end of April then grass hay and pasture until July then back on alfalfa until three weeks ago. he normally would get a little sunburned but sunblock helped until this year i have put every thing under the sun (no pun intended) on him with no luck he has pink, scabby, hairless skin right before he looses new hair it will get white and almost powdery looking. could it be he has just built up to much protein and the alfalfa it what he is allergic to any advice would be great my vet has no clue

04-04-2009, 06:52 PM
nightshade Newborn Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Braintree,Vermont Posts: 1	2009 newbie to thread. Updates?? I am new to this topic, at least on-line. I have had three horses with these symptoms. I was always told it was "cuilicoides(sp) hypersensitivity".I work for a small animal vet and noticed the equine allergy testing offered along with the canine tests. I was walking on water last fall after I tested the youngest of two full sisters and received the results. The only insect she was allergic to was the horse fly. Like some others on here it was grasses,weeds, trees, fungi, foods and some pollen. Oh, I forgot, she was also allergic to cotton(bedsheets?) I didn't get a whole lot of help from Spectrum as to how to manage her care while trying to prevent the itching and rubbing from starting up while the immunity was getting built up from the shots. Of course I didn't ask. All along I was expecting to have to pay over $500 for the vaccine. Had I known it was fairly inexpensive I would have started well before time for the allergens to begin bothering. Better late than never. This horse also hates needles but using the insulin needles has been very helpful. Have any other folks done things to prevent access to the allergen causes? I realize it is necessary to not feed corn,molasses and soybean. I have fed only hay most of the winter since I can't get her to eat alfalfa pellets(soaked in water) or dry. It seems that if the offending grasses are dried in hay they don't cause any problems. The dominant grass here in VT is orchard grass. Of course who doesn't have ragweed? Is it physical contact with these things that causes the itching? I am so glad to have found this forum. I only hope someone is still active here. I really appreciate any suggestions you might have. Thanks.

04-14-2009, 08:08 PM
GreyDot Started Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 2,433	First of all, WELCOME I know you'll love it here! Second, although there may not have been any recent posts on this thread, I'm sure someone will chime in and offer a suggestion. Personally, I've had to deal with tail rubbing and itching on my gelding for many years - and thought I had it narrowed down to culicoides sensitivity, too, just like you - in fact, last year he spent the whole summer wearing a fly sheet 24/7, and it seemed to help. However, now that we've moved from Arizona to Ohio, Dot has started to rub his tail again... now, it's April, in Ohio - a bit early for culicoides. So, I'm at a loss again. However, I'm interested in what you are saying about not feeding corn, molasses or soybeans - I've just changed feed to a beet-pulp based feed instead of a corn-based one, so it'll be interesting to watch progress. Again, welcome to the bunch __________________ Dot, March 30, 1983 - August 29, 2009. A kind eye, a brave heart, a gentle soul, a wise spirit. I will always miss you, Sweet Boy.

05-26-2009, 12:57 AM
Cariboocountry Newborn Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: British Columbia Posts: 10	Very interesting All I can say is WOW, I have had horses my whole life and there are things in these threads I have NEVER heard of. My gelding who I have had for 9 years has rubbed his mane off every year, I thought he just didn't like it, or he would get sweaty, cause he would only rub in the summer and early spring then it would start growing again. We moved last fall, from northern British Columbia to Central BC and he hasn't touched it, it is the longest I have ever seen it, makes me wonder about allergies and neck thread worms. Thanks everyone for all the info.

06-06-2009, 10:25 PM
morgan Weanling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 444	My horse is itchier than he's been in 5 years. He gets allergy shots and I don't know what got this going. I did have to feed him some T/A this spring as the Coastal was musty and he is allergic to molds. He is back on thhe Coastal now but still itching. everywhere he sweats he breaks out and itches. He has a fly sheet, fan etc. My farrier suggested cooling his skin down twice a day by rinsing with water. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

07-05-2009, 06:44 AM
horselady Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 6,428	Sounds like you have to rinse his hay off to get rid of any mold. My vet suggested Benedryll, buy the cheap stuff from wall-mart, or dollar store and give 5 pills, am and pm. should stop the itching. Call vet for his advice, also there is an injeciteble called Dexamethesone spelling might not be right but that is how it is pronounced. __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime