Have you had a crypt?

cascy · 10-02-2006, 11:52 PM

I am beginning to think that my colt is a partial crypt. I have checked and checked and have still only seen one testie... Not sure if it is alternating or not since I don't remember which side it was on or if you can tell the different sides for that matter. But anyway, have any of you ever had one? What did it cost to have them gelded? My dad said it would be better to just sell him and try to find another horse than to get him gelded because they can have problems from the surgery?

I don't know if that is really true or not, we haven't ever had one before, so anyone who has expirence with it would be very helpful!

joustinggirl · 10-03-2006, 05:21 AM

I have had 3. All from the same sire. All 3 dropped when they were sedated, one was already on the surgery table.

My friend also had one that she was told was a gelding. Someone castrated him and only took the easy one. He was a full blown crypt surrgery and he did very well.

Some of the breed associations frown on it and they use to pull papers on crypts or sires that consistantly threw crypts. I don't know if they still do that.

But how old is he? Some are just very late in dropping.

Faceman · 10-03-2006, 05:28 AM

I haven't had a crypt, although I did have one monorchid, and have had a couple that didn't drop till pretty late. Cody is about 15 months now and only has one dropped.

Don't know how old yours is.

Should he be monorchid, it depends upon where the other one is. If it is in the channel but just can't get through the ring, the procedure is not difficult or expensive - sometimes it can even be popped out manually. If it is up inside, that's a different issue - does require invasive surgery, which can be a little costly and of course carries the standard risks.

Quarters N Paints · 10-03-2006, 05:32 AM

We had one on a colt ( 2 year old) we bought,he only had the one down and couldn't feel the other at all. This is a genetic defect and is passed on (as are umbilical hernias).

Anyway, had the surgery down and all went well, alot depends on where the other testicle is located as they can be anywhere, our colts was in between the thigh muscle but the cord could be reached thru the ring, so could be retreived with out addtional incisions.

I helped with one surgery that the testicle was just stuck in the ring, and another surgery that the testicle was in the abdominal cavity. I worked as a vet tech so seen alot of large and small animal sugeries.

The one that was in the ring came out fine the one that was in the abdominal cavity did not turn out well. Alot < like I said earlier> depends on where the testicle is and how easy it is to find and retrieve for removal.
This plays into the cost of surgery also as it can run from $300.00 to $1500.00 in our area depending on the difficultie of the surgery.

cowgirlspurs · 10-03-2006, 05:55 AM

Yes sometimes they will fully drop upon sedation-otherwise it gets costly.

As for pulling the papers-the AQHA doesn't-they simply stamp the studs papers when they know.

I had a run in with a stallion owner who I found out by accident AFTER my foal was born that the stud was a monorchid. When I asked him why I hadn't been informed-his reply was "well all the colts should be gelded anyways"

It is more predisposed to be carried through the female side but I certainly wasn't taking a chance on keeping my colt for stud(even though he was by far exceptional) and sold him with the conditions he was gelded. Then I informed the AQHA of this stallions true status as well as the association I had purchased the breeding through.

I hope if you do sell him you are upfront-but don't expect to get much money. I know someone who had a gorgeous dun Hollywood Jac 86 breeding crypt colt and couldn't get more then $300 for him as a 2 year old.
However I have seen monorchid stallions finally drop the 2nd testicle as mature horses-by the age of 4.

barnmom · 10-03-2006, 06:12 AM

i have a boy that had 3, he was gelded but continued to act more than studly, lost weight, ran the fence, exhibiting stallion tendencies on steroids!

so we sent his blood to cornell and his test. level was more than double a normal stallion, so he technically wasn't gelded so the vet did the surgery for free but it would have been around 700 dollars

the testicle was larger than a tennis ball, he recovered well from surgery, was released after about 3hrs, stall rest for 2wks, 7 stitches and he was good as new, he is still alpha and probably will always act somewhat stallion like but he did have 2 colts before he was gelded at 4

he has so much love for my daughter i think i could drop off the planet and he wouldn't even notice, he takes such good care of her i couldn't ask for a better buddy for her, even when he was a handicapped stallion she rode him and he was gentle and took care of her

Range · 10-03-2006, 07:09 AM

What age are we talking? Sometimes they don't drop until they are two! I had one colt that we sold that I swear had 2, but one disappeared for a time. It came back.... Funny, he had an umbilical hernia as well. Not a colt we bred, by the way.

I have another colt who didn't drop until he was almost two. So....

Karen Cole · 10-03-2006, 07:44 AM

We had a crypt that we didn't geld until he was 6 after we had made the mistake of listening to a vet who said he be steril. Since the stud never acted like a stud until he was 5 it was no big deal after that we put him in one pasture and the mares in another. That worked well until he jumped the fence but still no big deal because he wasn't fertile...WRONGE!!! He covered 3 mares all 3 had palomino breedingstock foals by him 2 fillies and a colt. After the first colt was born he did get castrated which cost about $1,000 maybe it was $1,200...seemed like alot anyway. His testicle was up near his back.

ron · 10-03-2006, 08:08 AM

AQHA does not pull papers, but rather stamps CRYPTORCHID on the papers if left a stallion and the owner reports it.

If he gets the surgery for gelding it is a non issue.

dropping at early 2yo is not all that uncommon, and as stated, many drop while on anesthetic and possible being manually manipulated down past the ring.

costs 800-1200 for surgery if you want to do the right thing for the colt

**TDH** · 10-03-2006, 08:12 AM

I had a true dual crypt, had the surgery done for $600 which included a week's stay at the clinic; everything turned out fine. I'm keeping him for my riding horse when he gets of age (he's 2 1/2 now).

ToveroMom · 10-03-2006, 09:27 AM

Dang TDH that was a real bargain

I agree it is something that can be passed-as well as some types of hernias.
I have to add here though that not all umbilical hernias are genetic in origin. SOME can also be from a traumatic birth episode. JMO
MighTe was a monorchid and they bred him anyway-10 registered foals on the ground. Would I have done it? Heck no..people are odd sometimes. He had cryptorchid stamped on his papers-till he was totally castrated then the gelding stasmp was added. OK so he was NOT a crypt but anyway-it was noted. The original owners were honest and informed the registry.
Tommy has 2 but they swap turns coming down and going back up-silly goose. After show season we will take him in-sedate him and see what is going on. He may get the big snip

cascy · 10-03-2006, 11:01 AM

His reg. papers say that he was foal on April 3, 2004. So he will be 3 in April... I sure hope he isn't a crypt... I would really like to keep him. Of course he was going to be gelded either way, and I would probably be willing to pay for it, but my dad says that even when gelded that they are frowned on by lots of people and should be sold. I am a honest person and would definetly tell someone if I did sell him, just kinda aggrevates me that they didn't do the same for me!

ToveroMom · 10-03-2006, 11:05 AM

If they are gelded then they are like any other gelding-they have had their testicles removed.
It sure didn't stop me from buying

**TDH** · 10-03-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ToveroMom

Dang TDH that was a real bargain

Especially since he was given to me (Stormy, my black).

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Originally Posted by cascy

Of course he was going to be gelded either way, and I would probably be willing to pay for it, but my dad says that even when gelded that they are frowned on by lots of people and should be sold.

That depends on "how" he is gelded... if only one testicle is taken, then yes, it would still be frowned upon and he'd still be tough to sell, in which case you will have wasted the money. If you're paying for the gelding anyway, I say do the surgery and get both taken (if indeed it turns out to be necessary) because then he'll be just like any other gelding. No loss of worth that way.

ron · 10-03-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cascy

His reg. papers say that he was foal on April 3, 2004. So he will be 3 in April... I sure hope he isn't a crypt... I would really like to keep him. Of course he was going to be gelded either way, and I would probably be willing to pay for it, but my dad says that even when gelded that they are frowned on by lots of people and should be sold. I am a honest person and would definetly tell someone if I did sell him, just kinda aggrevates me that they didn't do the same for me!

if he aint dropped by the fall, he aint gonna drop.
if you're gonna geld him anyway, go ahead and do it now before he picks up any bad habits or gets study

if he is gelded correctly, then he is like any other gelding...no different

anybody who frowns upon that, with hem being a gelding anyway, is just plain misinformed and ignorant of what's goin on

Luv2Ride · 10-03-2006, 12:18 PM

Just curious: what percentage of colts end up having a problem with one or both of their testicles not dropping?

10-02-2006, 11:52 PM
cascy Bombproof Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: arkansas Posts: 7,741	Have you had a crypt? I am beginning to think that my colt is a partial crypt. I have checked and checked and have still only seen one testie... Not sure if it is alternating or not since I don't remember which side it was on or if you can tell the different sides for that matter. But anyway, have any of you ever had one? What did it cost to have them gelded? My dad said it would be better to just sell him and try to find another horse than to get him gelded because they can have problems from the surgery? I don't know if that is really true or not, we haven't ever had one before, so anyone who has expirence with it would be very helpful! __________________ "How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."~Black Hawk

10-03-2006, 05:21 AM
joustinggirl Greenbroke Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boones Mill, Virgina Posts: 3,799	I have had 3. All from the same sire. All 3 dropped when they were sedated, one was already on the surgery table. My friend also had one that she was told was a gelding. Someone castrated him and only took the easy one. He was a full blown crypt surrgery and he did very well. Some of the breed associations frown on it and they use to pull papers on crypts or sires that consistantly threw crypts. I don't know if they still do that. But how old is he? Some are just very late in dropping. __________________ Pink Tiger says \'Grrrrrr\'

10-03-2006, 05:28 AM
Faceman Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Arkansas Ozarks Posts: 7,421	I haven't had a crypt, although I did have one monorchid, and have had a couple that didn't drop till pretty late. Cody is about 15 months now and only has one dropped. Don't know how old yours is. Should he be monorchid, it depends upon where the other one is. If it is in the channel but just can't get through the ring, the procedure is not difficult or expensive - sometimes it can even be popped out manually. If it is up inside, that's a different issue - does require invasive surgery, which can be a little costly and of course carries the standard risks.

10-03-2006, 05:32 AM
Quarters N Paints Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Monterey Michigan Posts: 844	We had one on a colt ( 2 year old) we bought,he only had the one down and couldn't feel the other at all. This is a genetic defect and is passed on (as are umbilical hernias). Anyway, had the surgery down and all went well, alot depends on where the other testicle is located as they can be anywhere, our colts was in between the thigh muscle but the cord could be reached thru the ring, so could be retreived with out addtional incisions. I helped with one surgery that the testicle was just stuck in the ring, and another surgery that the testicle was in the abdominal cavity. I worked as a vet tech so seen alot of large and small animal sugeries. The one that was in the ring came out fine the one that was in the abdominal cavity did not turn out well. Alot < like I said earlier> depends on where the testicle is and how easy it is to find and retrieve for removal. This plays into the cost of surgery also as it can run from $300.00 to $1500.00 in our area depending on the difficultie of the surgery. __________________ http://quarterpaintranch.homestead.c...AINTRANCH.html RIDE LIKE A PILOT NOT A PASSENGER

10-03-2006, 05:55 AM
cowgirlspurs Coming two Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orillia Ontario Posts: 1,784	Yes sometimes they will fully drop upon sedation-otherwise it gets costly. As for pulling the papers-the AQHA doesn't-they simply stamp the studs papers when they know. I had a run in with a stallion owner who I found out by accident AFTER my foal was born that the stud was a monorchid. When I asked him why I hadn't been informed-his reply was "well all the colts should be gelded anyways" It is more predisposed to be carried through the female side but I certainly wasn't taking a chance on keeping my colt for stud(even though he was by far exceptional) and sold him with the conditions he was gelded. Then I informed the AQHA of this stallions true status as well as the association I had purchased the breeding through. I hope if you do sell him you are upfront-but don't expect to get much money. I know someone who had a gorgeous dun Hollywood Jac 86 breeding crypt colt and couldn't get more then $300 for him as a 2 year old. However I have seen monorchid stallions finally drop the 2nd testicle as mature horses-by the age of 4. __________________ welcome to X-files do I believe Fox or what they want us to believe Fufill your fantasies..FG Fantasy Fella

10-03-2006, 06:12 AM
barnmom Coming two Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: northeast pennsylvania Posts: 1,995	i have a boy that had 3, he was gelded but continued to act more than studly, lost weight, ran the fence, exhibiting stallion tendencies on steroids! so we sent his blood to cornell and his test. level was more than double a normal stallion, so he technically wasn't gelded so the vet did the surgery for free but it would have been around 700 dollars the testicle was larger than a tennis ball, he recovered well from surgery, was released after about 3hrs, stall rest for 2wks, 7 stitches and he was good as new, he is still alpha and probably will always act somewhat stallion like but he did have 2 colts before he was gelded at 4 he has so much love for my daughter i think i could drop off the planet and he wouldn't even notice, he takes such good care of her i couldn't ask for a better buddy for her, even when he was a handicapped stallion she rode him and he was gentle and took care of her

10-03-2006, 07:09 AM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,739	age What age are we talking? Sometimes they don't drop until they are two! I had one colt that we sold that I swear had 2, but one disappeared for a time. It came back.... Funny, he had an umbilical hernia as well. Not a colt we bred, by the way. I have another colt who didn't drop until he was almost two. So.... __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery

10-03-2006, 07:44 AM
Karen Cole Started Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,532	We had a crypt that we didn't geld until he was 6 after we had made the mistake of listening to a vet who said he be steril. Since the stud never acted like a stud until he was 5 it was no big deal after that we put him in one pasture and the mares in another. That worked well until he jumped the fence but still no big deal because he wasn't fertile...WRONGE!!! He covered 3 mares all 3 had palomino breedingstock foals by him 2 fillies and a colt. After the first colt was born he did get castrated which cost about $1,000 maybe it was $1,200...seemed like alot anyway. His testicle was up near his back.

10-03-2006, 08:08 AM
ron Started Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 2,810	AQHA does not pull papers, but rather stamps CRYPTORCHID on the papers if left a stallion and the owner reports it. If he gets the surgery for gelding it is a non issue. dropping at early 2yo is not all that uncommon, and as stated, many drop while on anesthetic and possible being manually manipulated down past the ring. costs 800-1200 for surgery if you want to do the right thing for the colt __________________ Well now boogie little baby, boogie woogie all night long. A haw, haw, haw, haw, a haw.

10-03-2006, 08:12 AM
TDH Welcome and Introductions Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,232	I had a true dual crypt, had the surgery done for $600 which included a week's stay at the clinic; everything turned out fine. I'm keeping him for my riding horse when he gets of age (he's 2 1/2 now). __________________ "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

10-03-2006, 09:27 AM
ToveroMom Pasture Pet Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cleveland TX Posts: 17,059	Dang TDH that was a real bargain I agree it is something that can be passed-as well as some types of hernias. I have to add here though that not all umbilical hernias are genetic in origin. SOME can also be from a traumatic birth episode. JMO MighTe was a monorchid and they bred him anyway-10 registered foals on the ground. Would I have done it? Heck no..people are odd sometimes. He had cryptorchid stamped on his papers-till he was totally castrated then the gelding stasmp was added. OK so he was NOT a crypt but anyway-it was noted. The original owners were honest and informed the registry. Tommy has 2 but they swap turns coming down and going back up-silly goose. After show season we will take him in-sedate him and see what is going on. He may get the big snip __________________

10-03-2006, 11:01 AM
cascy Bombproof Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: arkansas Posts: 7,741	His reg. papers say that he was foal on April 3, 2004. So he will be 3 in April... I sure hope he isn't a crypt... I would really like to keep him. Of course he was going to be gelded either way, and I would probably be willing to pay for it, but my dad says that even when gelded that they are frowned on by lots of people and should be sold. I am a honest person and would definetly tell someone if I did sell him, just kinda aggrevates me that they didn't do the same for me! __________________ "How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."~Black Hawk

10-03-2006, 11:05 AM
ToveroMom Pasture Pet Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cleveland TX Posts: 17,059	If they are gelded then they are like any other gelding-they have had their testicles removed. It sure didn't stop me from buying __________________

10-03-2006, 12:18 PM
Luv2Ride Long Yearling Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,140	Just curious: what percentage of colts end up having a problem with one or both of their testicles not dropping?