Emergency help needed!!! - Page 2

Sassy · 05-15-2006, 02:01 PM

I think your absolute first priority is do anything you can to get him to a vet! Sending lots of wishes your way that he recovers....Keep us posted on his progress!!

whiteplainsranch · 05-15-2006, 02:03 PM

Good luck with everything, let us know what the vet says

luvnhrses · 05-15-2006, 05:07 PM

ok..we want an update

we want an update.....

Seanachie · 05-15-2006, 07:28 PM

Pale gums or bluish gums is a sign of cyanosis or lack of oxygenation. Whether it's caused by anemia (lack of available red blood cells) or lack of ability of the red blood cells to carry oxygen, I can't say. Are the whites of his eyes turning yellow?

If he's peeing really dark fluid he may be suffering from a hemolytic anemia caused by a plant toxin. Have you had any storms recently that may have dropped any red maple branches in the pasture? Is his abdomen sensitive or one of his legs very swollen? Think internal bleeding...

Either way, you best bets is supportive therapy, keeping him warm and sheltered and eating and drinking (especially drinking).

wildcat180 · 05-15-2006, 07:38 PM

OK, the vet was out around noon? Where's our update????

treasure1 · 05-15-2006, 07:44 PM

I hope all is well

I am crossing my fingers for you

TrinTx88 · 05-15-2006, 08:15 PM

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back with a reply. I was at work until 6pm. My parents and brother were with Renegade all day. Around 4pm the vet FINALLY got here. I guess he doesn't know how to tell time or maybe he got lost. LOL They took Renegade down out of the harness to see if he was still unable to stand on his own and so the vet could get a better look at him. They were able to walk him all around the pastures and he was grazing. Since we started giving him the B-12 and other supplements we have for him he hasn't been as anemic. We let him off of he lead rope in our front pasture so the vet could see him walk and he watched him for about 30 minutes. Renegade was grazing and went to the water trough and got a drink. The vet told us he wasn't sure what was going on. He did an exam and wasn't able to feel or hear anything wrong with him. So he left for tonight. He told us if anything else happens to call him and he can do more extensive testing. The other horses we have came up to the front of the property and were calling to Renegade. He started walking with them and was doing fine>>>Then all of a sudden, completley out of no where one of the draft mares we are fostering came running out of the middle of the other horses with her ears pinned, turned her rear end to Renegade a kicked him hard in his mid-section. He fell to the ground and rolled. After this he couldn't stand on his own again so he is now back up in the harness. So now we are back where we started from. I just sent the lady we are fostering for an e-mail telling her what happened and that she needs to make plans to get the mare off of the property. We have called the vet to come check him out in the morning with more extensive tests. We are now thinking the mare had been beating up on Renegade and hurt him some how but it is odd because she is so gentle with everyone else. I will keep you all updated as things happen. Thank you so much for all of the help!

PS: We thought it was bot fly egg at first but we were told they are more of a yellow color. He also has these bugs on him that we can't figure out what they are. If anybody knows please tell me so we can get them gone. Regular fly spray and insect spray isn't killing them.
I am about to go CRAZY with this because I have no clue what to do about anything that is going on with him.
HELP HELP HELP!!!!!

whiteplainsranch · 05-15-2006, 08:24 PM

I sure hope a kick from that draft hasn't caused internal bleeding somewhere.

Seanachie · 05-15-2006, 08:32 PM

What she said.

OSUJillyBean · 05-15-2006, 08:37 PM

Can you post a pic of the bugs and/or eggs? Maybe then someone will recognize them.

ray · 05-15-2006, 09:44 PM

Jeez! I feel so bad for you. Hopefully you can figure this out. Could the bugs be lice?? DId the vet have a look at them? We had some rescue horses with lice from a sales barn annd we used dry kill powder to get rid of it, however I wouldn't do anything without the vet. If he has eaten something posionous you don't want to add to the problem. I just thought maybe blood sucking lice could cause anemia. And I wonder if the mare is beating him up because she knows there is somthing wrong with him??? hmmmm......

TrinTx88 · 05-16-2006, 11:10 AM

The vet came out this morning before he did anything else. Renegade was up but he had blood in his manure. The vet said the first thing that happend was not internal bleeding but after the kick fom the mare he was bleeding internally. So he has now crossed the rainbow bridge. We still don't know what was wrong with him before he got kicked but we didn't want him to suffer any longer.
I would still like to find out what kind of bugs these are because our stallion and our friesian filly have them also. The other horses don't have them. I just want them to go away along with the draft mare.
This is a sad day but I know he is in a better place now. Thank you all for your suggestions and trying to help.

sheri7785 · 05-16-2006, 11:13 AM

I am so so sorry for your loss.

. Many hugs coming from here.

Kemstar · 05-16-2006, 11:20 AM

Trinity, my heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry for your tremendous loss. Lots of hugs and prayers are coming your way from Salem, Virginia.

divinemisselle · 05-16-2006, 11:26 AM

I am so sorry to hear about your loss. May he rest in peace and traipse through greener pastures.

rali · 05-16-2006, 11:30 AM

Man, that is a hard day. I am so sorry for you. I was so mad reading about that mare. I hope you can get her off the property ASAP. What a shame, and again I am so sorry to hear the terrible news. Poor little guy.

eieio · 05-16-2006, 11:36 AM

I am so sorry for your news. I got to this late. Hugs from Alabama!

gbarmranch · 05-16-2006, 11:44 AM

I am sorry for your loss - I hope your other horses stay healthy and sound - hugs from TN

Faceman · 05-16-2006, 11:45 AM

Very sorry this happened. What odd behavior on the mare's part. I've never had anything like that happen before. As a yearling, he shouldn't have been smelling "studdy", was probably characteristically submissive, and was really too old for a foal ravage - which is primarily a stallion behavior anyway.

I am really curious as to what prompted her behavior - maybe someone has a guess?

Very sad, and you have my sympathy...

MaggyMae · 05-16-2006, 11:53 AM

So very sorry to hear of this. I can tell by the way you write how much you cared about him.
I have no clue why that mare acted as she did, but you are right to have the rescue people come get her.

05-15-2006, 02:01 PM
Sassy Started Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,338	I think your absolute first priority is do anything you can to get him to a vet! Sending lots of wishes your way that he recovers....Keep us posted on his progress!! __________________ A horse which stops dead just before a jump and thus propels its rider into a graceful arc provides a splendid excuse for general merriment. ~ DUKE OF ENDINBURGH ~

05-15-2006, 02:03 PM
whiteplainsranch Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 662	Good luck with everything, let us know what the vet says

05-15-2006, 05:07 PM
luvnhrses Weanling Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sanger, CA Posts: 362	ok..we want an update we want an update..... __________________ Horses don\'t make me money...but they sure make me happy!!!!!

05-15-2006, 07:28 PM
Seanachie Greenbroke Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,098	Pale gums or bluish gums is a sign of cyanosis or lack of oxygenation. Whether it's caused by anemia (lack of available red blood cells) or lack of ability of the red blood cells to carry oxygen, I can't say. Are the whites of his eyes turning yellow? If he's peeing really dark fluid he may be suffering from a hemolytic anemia caused by a plant toxin. Have you had any storms recently that may have dropped any red maple branches in the pasture? Is his abdomen sensitive or one of his legs very swollen? Think internal bleeding... Either way, you best bets is supportive therapy, keeping him warm and sheltered and eating and drinking (especially drinking). __________________ Seánachie "I'll keep my guns, my religion, and my money - you can keep the change."

05-15-2006, 07:38 PM
wildcat180 Seasoned Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,131	OK, the vet was out around noon? Where's our update????

05-15-2006, 07:44 PM
treasure1 Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South lyon, Michigan Posts: 904	I hope all is well I am crossing my fingers for you __________________ RIP: Neverskiphercolor

05-15-2006, 08:15 PM
TrinTx88 Newborn Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Trinity, Texas Posts: 17	Sorry it has taken me so long to get back with a reply. I was at work until 6pm. My parents and brother were with Renegade all day. Around 4pm the vet FINALLY got here. I guess he doesn't know how to tell time or maybe he got lost. LOL They took Renegade down out of the harness to see if he was still unable to stand on his own and so the vet could get a better look at him. They were able to walk him all around the pastures and he was grazing. Since we started giving him the B-12 and other supplements we have for him he hasn't been as anemic. We let him off of he lead rope in our front pasture so the vet could see him walk and he watched him for about 30 minutes. Renegade was grazing and went to the water trough and got a drink. The vet told us he wasn't sure what was going on. He did an exam and wasn't able to feel or hear anything wrong with him. So he left for tonight. He told us if anything else happens to call him and he can do more extensive testing. The other horses we have came up to the front of the property and were calling to Renegade. He started walking with them and was doing fine>>>Then all of a sudden, completley out of no where one of the draft mares we are fostering came running out of the middle of the other horses with her ears pinned, turned her rear end to Renegade a kicked him hard in his mid-section. He fell to the ground and rolled. After this he couldn't stand on his own again so he is now back up in the harness. So now we are back where we started from. I just sent the lady we are fostering for an e-mail telling her what happened and that she needs to make plans to get the mare off of the property. We have called the vet to come check him out in the morning with more extensive tests. We are now thinking the mare had been beating up on Renegade and hurt him some how but it is odd because she is so gentle with everyone else. I will keep you all updated as things happen. Thank you so much for all of the help! PS: We thought it was bot fly egg at first but we were told they are more of a yellow color. He also has these bugs on him that we can't figure out what they are. If anybody knows please tell me so we can get them gone. Regular fly spray and insect spray isn't killing them. I am about to go CRAZY with this because I have no clue what to do about anything that is going on with him. HELP HELP HELP!!!!! __________________ \"Be strong and of good courage; do not be afraid, nor be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.\" Joshua 1:9

05-15-2006, 08:24 PM
whiteplainsranch Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 662	I sure hope a kick from that draft hasn't caused internal bleeding somewhere.

05-15-2006, 08:32 PM
Seanachie Greenbroke Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,098	What she said. __________________ Seánachie "I'll keep my guns, my religion, and my money - you can keep the change."

05-15-2006, 08:37 PM
OSUJillyBean Greenbroke Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,440	Can you post a pic of the bugs and/or eggs? Maybe then someone will recognize them. __________________ "And speaking of Italy and sports cars that I stole there, you still owe me a yellow Porsche." — Alice Cullen

05-15-2006, 09:44 PM
ray Yearling Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 720	Jeez! I feel so bad for you. Hopefully you can figure this out. Could the bugs be lice?? DId the vet have a look at them? We had some rescue horses with lice from a sales barn annd we used dry kill powder to get rid of it, however I wouldn't do anything without the vet. If he has eaten something posionous you don't want to add to the problem. I just thought maybe blood sucking lice could cause anemia. And I wonder if the mare is beating him up because she knows there is somthing wrong with him??? hmmmm...... __________________ If wishes were horses, then beggers would ride!

05-16-2006, 11:10 AM
TrinTx88 Newborn Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Trinity, Texas Posts: 17	The vet came out this morning before he did anything else. Renegade was up but he had blood in his manure. The vet said the first thing that happend was not internal bleeding but after the kick fom the mare he was bleeding internally. So he has now crossed the rainbow bridge. We still don't know what was wrong with him before he got kicked but we didn't want him to suffer any longer. I would still like to find out what kind of bugs these are because our stallion and our friesian filly have them also. The other horses don't have them. I just want them to go away along with the draft mare. This is a sad day but I know he is in a better place now. Thank you all for your suggestions and trying to help. __________________ \"Be strong and of good courage; do not be afraid, nor be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.\" Joshua 1:9

05-16-2006, 11:13 AM
sheri7785 Long Yearling Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 1,073	I am so so sorry for your loss. . Many hugs coming from here.

05-16-2006, 11:20 AM
Kemstar Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Salem, Virginia Posts: 896	Trinity, my heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry for your tremendous loss. Lots of hugs and prayers are coming your way from Salem, Virginia. __________________ May we all ride as well as we do in our dreams!

05-16-2006, 11:26 AM
divinemisselle Bombproof Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: At the bar... Posts: 8,359	I am so sorry to hear about your loss. May he rest in peace and traipse through greener pastures. __________________ . Lead me not into temptation..... I can find it just fine on my own.....

05-16-2006, 11:30 AM
rali Halter broke Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 173	Man, that is a hard day. I am so sorry for you. I was so mad reading about that mare. I hope you can get her off the property ASAP. What a shame, and again I am so sorry to hear the terrible news. Poor little guy.

05-16-2006, 11:36 AM
eieio Greenbroke Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,138	I am so sorry for your news. I got to this late. Hugs from Alabama! __________________ There is no such thing as a always or never in the horse world. Say that one time and some horse some where will prove you wrong!.

05-16-2006, 11:44 AM
gbarmranch Pasture Pet Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mayberry Posts: 32,635	I am sorry for your loss - I hope your other horses stay healthy and sound - hugs from TN __________________ http://home.earthlink.net/~vpgann Quality Foundation Quarter Horses If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself." Augustine of Hippo

05-16-2006, 11:45 AM
Faceman Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Arkansas Ozarks Posts: 7,421	Very sorry this happened. What odd behavior on the mare's part. I've never had anything like that happen before. As a yearling, he shouldn't have been smelling "studdy", was probably characteristically submissive, and was really too old for a foal ravage - which is primarily a stallion behavior anyway. I am really curious as to what prompted her behavior - maybe someone has a guess? Very sad, and you have my sympathy...

05-16-2006, 11:53 AM
MaggyMae Yearling Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 716	So very sorry to hear of this. I can tell by the way you write how much you cared about him. I have no clue why that mare acted as she did, but you are right to have the rescue people come get her. __________________ Visit the U.S. Equine Rescue League website to learn about our rescued horses: http://www.userl.org/index.html