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Old 12-27-2008, 01:32 PM  
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Help a Pinto or a Paint Mini

I bought this little filly at the auction this fall. On her registration it says she is a pinto. A lady I know came over to show me how to give shots and said what a beautiful paint mini. Her father is an appy and her mom a pinto at least that is what her papers is saying. What is the difference between a Pinto and a Paint.

Here is a picture of Gypsy she has one blue eye and one brown.

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Well if her sire and dam are a paint and an appy, the only possibly asscation she could be reg. with would be 'PINTO'.

If she was a mini she would only have that breeding, same with shetland.

So she must be a pinto if she is reg.

To answer your question. A pinto is any colored breed of horse that is marked like a paint, but has two diff parents, say-appy and a paint.

A paint horse is a horse with the paint markings out of two reg. paint parents.
You can also have a soild paint bred horse, which is a foal out to two paint horses that has no white or not enough white to be reg. as a paint. (paints go back to the QH lines aswell.)

(these are only a few examples .. just look up more information about paints and pintos.)
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Google pinto and look at the image's. Or you can look it up in the online Expedia that will tell you more. I just one of friends the same question the other day about it. It really helps out.
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Old 12-27-2008, 02:05 PM  
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I believe that in order to use the term "paint" the horse has to have reg. qh in it's lineage.
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I'm old enough to remember when the terms were used interchageably, and some folks still do.

But the American Paint Horse Association is a breed registry, originally for "outcrops" of the American Quarter Horse Registry. There were originally breed standards requiring stock horse conformation. Don't know whether they are still in place or not, but a paint horse today can be out of paint stock (whether colored or not), and out-crossing with QH and TB is allowed, I think.

The pinto registry is a color (only) registry and anything from a mini to a draft that exhibits pinto coloring can be registered with them.

To complicate matters, there are the Spotted Saddle Horse Registries (two of them) which have different standards and register gaited pintos.

A registered paint that gaits (and I have a friend who has one) could thus be registered with the pinto registry and the spotted saddle horse folks.

You can register anything with somebody, I do believe!
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Old 12-27-2008, 06:17 PM  
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All mini and shetlands are refered to as pintos, if they
have the right color pattern.
Jack is registered as a red roan pinto.

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Old 12-28-2008, 12:10 AM  
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The only horses that can be called Paints are the ones with Paint, QH, or TB bloodlines. Paint is a breed... so you can have solid colored horses and they are still Paints (like my gelding... solid Palomino, registered Paint).

If the horse is a miniature, pony, foxtrotter, TWH... etc... then it is a Pinto. And only if it has the markings of a colored horse. You wouldn't call a solid TWH a pinto. So Pinto's are registered for color.
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Well if her sire and dam are a paint and an appy, the only possibly asscation she could be reg. with would be 'PINTO'.

If she was a mini she would only have that breeding, same with shetland.

So she must be a pinto if she is reg.

To answer your question. A pinto is any colored breed of horse that is marked like a paint, but has two diff parents, say-appy and a paint.

A paint horse is a horse with the paint markings out of two reg. paint parents.
You can also have a soild paint bred horse, which is a foal out to two paint horses that has no white or not enough white to be reg. as a paint. (paints go back to the QH lines aswell.)

(these are only a few examples .. just look up more information about paints and pintos.)
This filly CANNOT be registered with the Pinto association. She has appaloosa breeding- PtHA does not accept horses with Appaloosa breeding and/or characteristics.

A Pinto is any horse with tobiano, overo or tovero markings. It is a color- not a breed. Doesnt matter if its a cross between a paint and something else or a purebred Arabian for that matter.

A Paint is a breed of horse, one that has at least one Paint parent (ie crossed onto TB or QHs). It may or may not display the markings.

ETA: A cross between a pinto/paint and an appaloosa is called a pintaloosa.
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Pinto is color

Paint is a breed

In reality your mini is a pintaloosa!!
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She could still be registered Pinto becuase it goes on color only. Not Lineage.
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She could still be registered Pinto becuase it goes on color only. Not Lineage.

Pinto does not accept any horse with KNOWN Appy parentage!!
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This filly CANNOT be registered with the Pinto association. She has appaloosa breeding- PtHA does not accept horses with Appaloosa breeding and/or characteristics.

A Pinto is any horse with tobiano, overo or tovero markings. It is a color- not a breed. Doesnt matter if its a cross between a paint and something else or a purebred Arabian for that matter.

A Paint is a breed of horse, one that has at least one Paint parent (ie crossed onto TB or QHs). It may or may not display the markings.

ETA: A cross between a pinto/paint and an appaloosa is called a pintaloosa.
Well then why was I able to reg. my 4yo mare as a with the pinto reg.
Her sire is a APHA, and the dam is a lep appy?
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http://www.pintohorseregistry.com/RulesProcedures.html

http://www.pinto.org/registration.html
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The PtHA does not accept any horses with Appaloosa, draft or mule breeding and/or characteristics or known breeding within the previous four generations
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:05 PM  
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Thanks for all the information not sure if I understand it all but trying. Gypsy is registered with AMHR and World she is a mini horse. It would be great if I could get her registered with PTHA. I am looking at her registration now and her sir was a black appaloosa and dam black pinto. So she is in reality a pintaloosa. She has one blue eye and one brown .

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PtHA will not accept her because of the Appy ... I dont' know if they have a pintaloosa association yet or not ... hmm
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Well chasn-they say right on the application they do not accept any horse with appy breeding or characteristics.

Not Eligible for PtHA registration:
1. Horses with Appaloosa, Draft or Mule breeding and/or characteristics
2. Horse stallions with unknown, unregistered or unapproved outcross registered sire or dam
So what did you enter on the registry application?


No Anita you cannot register her with Pinto Club...sorry
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Well chasn-they say right on the application they do not accept any horse with appy breeding or characteristics.

Not Eligible for PtHA registration:
1. Horses with Appaloosa, Draft or Mule breeding and/or characteristics
2. Horse stallions with unknown, unregistered or unapproved outcross registered sire or dam
So what did you enter on the registry application?


No Anita you cannot register her with Pinto Club...sorry
humm .. my mother is the one who had her reg. I have her papers around here somewhere. Its just weird, Sire was a reg. APHA and dam was unreg. appy mare.

Sire-


Dam-


Here was the outcome-the one that is reg. as 'PINTO' as a 2yo


SO... maybe my mother didn't say that the dam was an appy, in order for her to get reg.??? I really don't know, all I know is that is what she is under and has the papers.
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She is a cute filly. To register for Pinto, you can register as COLOR only, meaning you do not know who the sire and dam are. If you look at her Ptha papers, see who is listed as sire and dam. That will tell you right there if she was registered for color alone...
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Yes you can register one without knowing who the parents are.
If you KNOW one parent is an Appy though..well that would not be right.
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Yes you can register one without knowing who the parents are.
If you KNOW one parent is an Appy though..well that would not be right.
I agree. But I was not the one who reg. her.
whats done is done tho.
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