Your pet peeves

[tuffsmom]

My biggest pet peeve is to get a horse in that doesn't have any kind of handling and expect to get a dead broke horse back in 30 days. We have too many trainers in this area that promise a kid safe horse in 30 days.

My other peeve is the people that don't teach their horses ground manners. I hate leading horses and have to get trampled because they don't teach them ground manners.

[rulerskipacajun]

My biggest pet peeve is people the send a horse to the trainers for 30 days bring it home put it out in the pasture for 3 months and dont touch it and then think that its a really great idea to go to a trail ride with 300 people and then wonder why the get bucked off and why everyone is mad as h** at them

[tobiluver]

My biggest all time pet peeve is people who refuse to call the vet.. err on the side of caution and call the vet, your horses life may depend on it! And if you cannot afford the vet, you cannot afford the horse.

People who do not vaccinate their horses. People who do not do yearly teeth floating and then wonder why their horse is thin.

Then we have another pet peeve.. those who cannot afford horses, but choose to own them anyways. I know it sucks to want something and not be able to afford it, but horses are costly.

Then there are the people who at shows or anywhere really, see a very nice, well trained horse and a well turned out ride and imediately assume that they are rich, spoiled, dont work hard, and have had everything handed to them. A lot of those people make some huge sacrifices for those very nice horses and tack.

Jealousy.. people who put down well breed, well trained horses that perform well at specific disciplines just because they cannot afford it.

People who think they can "learn on their own" or "learn along side their horse". Its very hard, and nearly impossible to become a really good rider with out some sort of instruction, and many good horses have been ruined by riders trying to "learn on their own"

People who think it is inhumane to "spank" a horse. Beating is abuse.. one smack with a crop, the end of the reins, etc is not abuse.

People who breed medicore or worse horses.

People who breed horses that are unproven.

People who use "well I didnt know" as an excuse.. unless we are talking something rare and obscure, if you are going to own a horse, it is your responsiblity to know.

People who think that just because they do not show that it is not important for their horses to have some collection, and know how to move off leg pressure, give to the bit, etc.

People who think Tbs are suppose to be skinny

People who think "show people" dislike those who dont show.

[kanoo32]

Originally Posted by tobiluver

My biggest all time pet peeve is people who refuse to call the vet.. err on the side of caution and call the vet, your horses life may depend on it! And if you cannot afford the vet, you cannot afford the horse.

People who do not vaccinate their horses. People who do not do yearly teeth floating and then wonder why their horse is thin.

Then we have another pet peeve.. those who cannot afford horses, but choose to own them anyways. I know it sucks to want something and not be able to afford it, but horses are costly.

Then there are the people who at shows or anywhere really, see a very nice, well trained horse and a well turned out ride and imediately assume that they are rich, spoiled, dont work hard, and have had everything handed to them. A lot of those people make some huge sacrifices for those very nice horses and tack.

Jealousy.. people who put down well breed, well trained horses that perform well at specific disciplines just because they cannot afford it.

People who think they can "learn on their own" or "learn along side their horse". Its very hard, and nearly impossible to become a really good rider with out some sort of instruction, and many good horses have been ruined by riders trying to "learn on their own"

People who think it is inhumane to "spank" a horse. Beating is abuse.. one smack with a crop, the end of the reins, etc is not abuse.

People who breed medicore or worse horses.

People who breed horses that are unproven.

People who use "well I didnt know" as an excuse.. unless we are talking something rare and obscure, if you are going to own a horse, it is your responsiblity to know.

People who think that just because they do not show that it is not important for their horses to have some collection, and know how to move off leg pressure, give to the bit, etc.

People who think Tbs are suppose to be skinny

People who think "show people" dislike those who dont show.

Right on sister!

[Lopin]

Originally Posted by tobiluver

My biggest all time pet peeve is people who refuse to call the vet.. err on the side of caution and call the vet, your horses life may depend on it! And if you cannot afford the vet, you cannot afford the horse.

People who do not vaccinate their horses. People who do not do yearly teeth floating and then wonder why their horse is thin.

Then we have another pet peeve.. those who cannot afford horses, but choose to own them anyways. I know it sucks to want something and not be able to afford it, but horses are costly.

Then there are the people who at shows or anywhere really, see a very nice, well trained horse and a well turned out ride and imediately assume that they are rich, spoiled, dont work hard, and have had everything handed to them. A lot of those people make some huge sacrifices for those very nice horses and tack.

Jealousy.. people who put down well breed, well trained horses that perform well at specific disciplines just because they cannot afford it.

People who think they can "learn on their own" or "learn along side their horse". Its very hard, and nearly impossible to become a really good rider with out some sort of instruction, and many good horses have been ruined by riders trying to "learn on their own"

People who think it is inhumane to "spank" a horse. Beating is abuse.. one smack with a crop, the end of the reins, etc is not abuse.

People who breed medicore or worse horses.

People who breed horses that are unproven.

People who use "well I didnt know" as an excuse.. unless we are talking something rare and obscure, if you are going to own a horse, it is your responsiblity to know.

People who think that just because they do not show that it is not important for their horses to have some collection, and know how to move off leg pressure, give to the bit, etc.

People who think Tbs are suppose to be skinny

People who think "show people" dislike those who dont show.

I think I love you!!

Excellent points and I couldn't agree more!

[tammy]

I agree! I live next door to a lady that collects horses, you can see their ribs and hips but they have that big wormy belly. There feet are long and broken up, coats are dirty and matted. At one time she had 1 stallion and 4 mares and kept letting the produce and inbreed to produce more. Now there are only 3 stallions and yes she only has 1 small mud pen.

[Luv2Ride]

A lot of what's been posted really makes me angry, but I do have one pet "peeve."

I cringe--I mean I literally feel my shoulders hunch--when people on horseback cue by yelling. I can't stand it when people yell "whoa" or "trot." And I really don't think people should yell when they are doing groundwork either. To me, if you're yelling, you've already lost. I know one friend whose horse won't stop until she literally yells "Whoa!!!" I was at a barn once where the owner constantly yelled at horses; it was her chief mode of communication. One time a couple of visitors were observing, and one commented to the other, "Boy, she knows how to handle those horses, doesn't she." I about puked.

I think horses respond better to a calm, spoken tone even when worked on the ground, so I reserve yelling for emergencies, like, "Get off my foot!"

[shadow]

People that let their horse eat grass while they are sitting on them and then complain when they get tossed off while trail riding because the horse stops to eat along the trail and another one is when people let horses eat carrots out of their mouths and then complain when they have to have their mouth sewn back on at the hospital after the horse rips their mouth off. Those are a couple of peeves I have.

[rivervu2]

I agree with 99% of these peeves but have a question. I see a lot of posts about poor ground manners and the use of chains on horses. I have handled a lot of young TBs and warmbloods and wouldn't think of handling some of them without a chain. Some horses' energy levels are so high, because they're fit, that it's unsafe to handle them unless you have have more control than just a lead rope. Especially if it's cold and they've been on stall rest with hand walking only! They're just wired differently than other breeds, not to mention that some of them are huge. I know a professional groom who had to be air lifted off the farm because a warmblood gelding kicked him in the stomach. So, my question is, for those who oppose using a chain over the nose, how would you handle a horse like this? This isn't meant to be a challenge, I'm truly curious and open to learning a new way to deal with these beasts! Keep in mind, in most situations like this, you don't have the luxury of being able to spend a lot of time working on manners with these horses as they belong to other people.

[Mav2007]

Originally Posted by shadow

another one is when people let horses eat carrots out of their mouths and then complain when they have to have their mouth sewn back on at the hospital after the horse rips their mouth off. Those are a couple of peeves I have.

People actually do this? I feel lucky to not be around anyone that is dumb enough to feed a horse a carrot from their own mouth.

[FoxMartini]

Originally Posted by rivervu2

I agree with 99% of these peeves but have a question. I see a lot of posts about poor ground manners and the use of chains on horses. I have handled a lot of young TBs and warmbloods and wouldn't think of handling some of them without a chain. Some horses' energy levels are so high, because they're fit, that it's unsafe to handle them unless you have have more control than just a lead rope. Especially if it's cold and they've been on stall rest with hand walking only! They're just wired differently than other breeds, not to mention that some of them are huge. I know a professional groom who had to be air lifted off the farm because a warmblood gelding kicked him in the stomach. So, my question is, for those who oppose using a chain over the nose, how would you handle a horse like this? This isn't meant to be a challenge, I'm truly curious and open to learning a new way to deal with these beasts! Keep in mind, in most situations like this, you don't have the luxury of being able to spend a lot of time working on manners with these horses as they belong to other people.

Unfortunately, without having time to spend working with these big horses, there's really not much you can do.

When I first got my mare, she had NO manners. We had to use a chain on her for the vet check
Took about a month to correct all of her bad habits and we have been chain free ever since
And actually, as much as I hate it and everyone else hates it, I did have to put the chain over the top of the halter, when it was under and I went to correct her (correct her doesn't mean abuse her of course), she would just go straight up. I only had to use it a few times over the top and she was smart enough to realize that it wasn't fun and she also realized that she was praised only when she was good so thankfully, no more bad manners for her

[Gids_mama]

Originally Posted by tobiluver

My biggest all time pet peeve is people who refuse to call the vet.. err on the side of caution and call the vet, your horses life may depend on it! And if you cannot afford the vet, you cannot afford the horse.

People who do not vaccinate their horses. People who do not do yearly teeth floating and then wonder why their horse is thin.

Then we have another pet peeve.. those who cannot afford horses, but choose to own them anyways. I know it sucks to want something and not be able to afford it, but horses are costly.

Then there are the people who at shows or anywhere really, see a very nice, well trained horse and a well turned out ride and imediately assume that they are rich, spoiled, dont work hard, and have had everything handed to them. A lot of those people make some huge sacrifices for those very nice horses and tack.

Jealousy.. people who put down well breed, well trained horses that perform well at specific disciplines just because they cannot afford it.

People who think they can "learn on their own" or "learn along side their horse". Its very hard, and nearly impossible to become a really good rider with out some sort of instruction, and many good horses have been ruined by riders trying to "learn on their own"

People who think it is inhumane to "spank" a horse. Beating is abuse.. one smack with a crop, the end of the reins, etc is not abuse.

People who breed medicore or worse horses.

People who breed horses that are unproven.

People who use "well I didnt know" as an excuse.. unless we are talking something rare and obscure, if you are going to own a horse, it is your responsiblity to know.

People who think that just because they do not show that it is not important for their horses to have some collection, and know how to move off leg pressure, give to the bit, etc.

People who think Tbs are suppose to be skinny

People who think "show people" dislike those who dont show.

I have to disagree with part of this about the learing on your own part..

Im a maybe advanced beginner and im not interested in showing..i can afford my horses but cant afford lessons, plus the gas to get from lessons and back everyweek or so...

so i do read books, ask as many questions as possible from riders i trust and my old trainer, and continue to try to improve on my own. not everyone can afford lessons..doesnt mean im any less of a horsewomen.

[tobiluver]

Originally Posted by Gids_mama

I have to disagree with part of this about the learing on your own part..

Im a maybe advanced beginner and im not interested in showing..i can afford my horses but cant afford lessons, plus the gas to get from lessons and back everyweek or so...

so i do read books, ask as many questions as possible from riders i trust and my old trainer, and continue to try to improve on my own. not everyone can afford lessons..doesnt mean im any less of a horsewomen.

There are things you can learn from books and videos, the problem is a rider cannot see themselves while they are on their horse.. plus, so much is delevoloping feel and you need some one on the ground saying YES! right there, or no, alittle more, etc.

even monthly lessons would be helpful. Im not saying everyone needs to aspire to be an olympic rider, so provided a rider is happy where they are and isnt having horse problems thats fine for them... but you do need some sort of knowlegable outside eyes to advance your skills. Knowlegable friends, clinics, evaluating videos of yourself, etc all are helpful ways of improving.

as for the stud chain debate.. I had a mellow gelding on stall rest for 7 months and while he didnt need a stud chain to control, he was pretty full of himself towards the end.. they just get pent up energy.

Stud chains are used to show, but thats so the handler can make tiny invisible corrections.. stud chains are like bits, it all depends how you use them,

[Gids_mama]

Originally Posted by tobiluver

There are things you can learn from books and videos, the problem is a rider cannot see themselves while they are on their horse.. plus, so much is delevoloping feel and you need some one on the ground saying YES! right there, or no, alittle more, etc.

even monthly lessons would be helpful. Im not saying everyone needs to aspire to be an olympic rider, so provided a rider is happy where they are and isnt having horse problems thats fine for them... but you do need some sort of knowlegable outside eyes to advance your skills. Knowlegable friends, clinics, evaluating videos of yourself, etc all are helpful ways of improving.

as for the stud chain debate.. I had a mellow gelding on stall rest for 7 months and while he didnt need a stud chain to control, he was pretty full of himself towards the end.. they just get pent up energy.

Stud chains are used to show, but thats so the handler can make tiny invisible corrections.. stud chains are like bits, it all depends how you use them,

I agree with most all said.

I am a student, work, care for my horses, plus my parents, and do daily chores at barn and in home, and ride in my very spare time.
Id love to be able to take lessons but unfortunately i dont have the time nor the money. but i do honestly get what your saying with the eyes and with the stud chains too. i agree on that.. a tool no matter what it is can be harmful or damaging if used the wrong way but used properly can be a helpful and excellent aid.

[Gids_mama]

LOPIN!!!

I love your avatar!!! lol..sorry random but i had to just tell you that.. its so funny and cute!

[ThorArb]

Originally Posted by rivervu2

I agree with 99% of these peeves but have a question. I see a lot of posts about poor ground manners and the use of chains on horses. I have handled a lot of young TBs and warmbloods and wouldn't think of handling some of them without a chain. Some horses' energy levels are so high, because they're fit, that it's unsafe to handle them unless you have have more control than just a lead rope. Especially if it's cold and they've been on stall rest with hand walking only! They're just wired differently than other breeds, not to mention that some of them are huge. I know a professional groom who had to be air lifted off the farm because a warmblood gelding kicked him in the stomach. So, my question is, for those who oppose using a chain over the nose, how would you handle a horse like this? This isn't meant to be a challenge, I'm truly curious and open to learning a new way to deal with these beasts! Keep in mind, in most situations like this, you don't have the luxury of being able to spend a lot of time working on manners with these horses as they belong to other people.

I dont oppose the use of a chain... I oppose the use of it over my horse's nose! I use it under the chin or not at all. I just dont like it over the nose. Its one of those things that you cant really explain but for some reason it just irks your nerves like no end. Makes me cringe to see it- like watching someone run their nails down a chalk board.

Ive handled unruly large horses without having to put it over the nose, like I said if it gets that bad I'll resort to it under the chin but that is as far as I go. Works for me no problem.

[Rhiannon]

My pet peeves:

1. Horse trainers who take your money and run! The "big bucks" trainer who has his "assistant" riding and training your horse while you're supposedly paying for the "big bucks" trainer's expertise... Or not riding your horse at all and when the owner sees that the animal isn't progressing (because hello - he isn't being ridden) the trainer says your horse is a loser... Or badmouths you to everyone else when you pull your horse out of the barn, and says YOU'RE a loser and bad to do business with.
2. Snooty horse people (be they breeders, show barn folks, etc.). I don't care what they own, or what they've won, or how important they think they are. Humility and good manners pay off in every walk of life.
3. "Cliquey" behavior in barns and at shows. You never know who your potential customers are going to be, or who has money. If you're in business, you should probably try having a good personality.
4. Lookie loos and "tire kickers." If they tell me they're just coming to look, fine. I am always "looking" myself! I hate it when they pick apart the horse just to try to get you to knock the price down. And then when they keep coming back to see if you still have the horse which shows they are clearly interested. My feeling is - if you don't like what you see, don't buy. But don't waste my time insulting me.
5. I get irritated with people who expect something "fantastic" and aren't willing to pay for it.
6. Horse traders!!! Buying cheap, and then re-selling for expensive price.
7. Badly behaved mares who are dangerous to breed.
8. People who don't PAY their bills, renege on their business agreements, or honor their commitments.

There's my list, LOL!!!

[FoxMartini]

Oh yes! I fully agree with the posting about breeding dangerous mares!!

It irks me to no end when people take a mare that can't be ridden due to temperament and dangerous issues, then breed her because theres nothing else to do with her!!

[ToveroMom]

Originally Posted by ThorArb

I dont oppose the use of a chain... I oppose the use of it over my horse's nose! I use it under the chin or not at all. I just dont like it over the nose. Its one of those things that you cant really explain but for some reason it just irks your nerves like no end. Makes me cringe to see it- like watching someone run their nails down a chalk board.

Ive handled unruly large horses without having to put it over the nose, like I said if it gets that bad I'll resort to it under the chin but that is as far as I go. Works for me no problem.

OK since I know you so well I feel comfortable sharing..
The reason I use it over the nose-generally in halter classes only or for basic training with a flighty one-BUT I find they have MORE of a tendancy to go UP when the chain rides under the jaw than when I use it OVER the nose. Especially less trained horses.
BUT you are fully entitled to your own Pet peeve. I was just splaining why some use it over the snout.

[ThorArb]

Originally Posted by ToveroMom

OK since I know you so well I feel comfortable sharing..
The reason I use it over the nose-generally in halter classes only or for basic training with a flighty one-BUT I find they have MORE of a tendancy to go UP when the chain rides under the jaw than when I use it OVER the nose. Especially less trained horses.
BUT you are fully entitled to your own Pet peeve. I was just splaining why some use it over the snout.

I think I hate to see it in halter classes the most. I find it just so... tacky. I do see what you are saying especially with a horse prone to rearing.