Egyptian vs. Polish Arabs

[ahabarabs]

Originally Posted by Druydess

Well I'd like a bit of both...
Have you seen any of his progeny and their movement?

No, unfortunately I haven't,( that I know of at least ) I looked quick last time at his breeding, but a little longer just a minute ago, and saw that he has some Rissalix back there, that was known as a good x on raffles blood for increasing action, and better yet Bukra/Berk, who REALLY is known for producing action horses very prepotently, in fact my first show horse, who was a real good english pleasure/park horse had Berk in him, and that was the only one I could find in his breeding that was very producer, so I am assuming that is who gave him his, so you might get lucky, and get a lot of movement with him, but I would not put a lot of hope in it, unless you could find a mare that had a lot of that blood and/or action, and cross it back on him.

[WSArabians]

Originally Posted by Barngoddess

WSArabians:

Thank you -- and he knows he's flashy the little ham. He milks it for all it is worth. He is Le Fire (Bask x Sucession) out of MX Marigold. Here's the link: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ha+le+fire

You've got some nice looking horses on your site. Love the winter woolies!

Thanks!
I do need to update some of the photos on there when they are nice and shiney.

[WSArabians]

Originally Posted by Druydess

WS,

I love the Simeon line!! Looking at one to cross with my Platinum chestnut.
Do you have a pics of your boy?

Solei:

She is beautiful!
What's her breeding?

I've got a few of Shai up there, but he's still in his winter coat. I need to get my camera back so I can get some update pictures of my boy. lol

The Simeon Shai line is wonderful. He's got a superb temperment, great movement and excellent conformation.
He has won his halter championship in the US when he was younger, and I've been looking at getting him back into the show ring either this summer or next.
I feel really privliged to have this boy in my barn.

[Druydess]

Originally Posted by ahabarabs

No, unfortunately I haven't,( that I know of at least ) I looked quick last time at his breeding, but a little longer just a minute ago, and saw that he has some Rissalix back there, that was known as a good x on raffles blood for increasing action, and better yet Bukra/Berk, who REALLY is known for producing action horses very prepotently, in fact my first show horse, who was a real good english pleasure/park horse had Berk in him, and that was the only one I could find in his breeding that was very producer, so I am assuming that is who gave him his, so you might get lucky, and get a lot of movement with him, but I would not put a lot of hope in it, unless you could find a mare that had a lot of that blood and/or action, and cross it back on him.

I'm really enjoying your opinions on different lines...
What do you think of this guy??
He's very prepotent and consistently throws his liver color and white mane...one of the few Reg. Arabian Palominos...

http://www.tiffanyranch.com/stallions/fireanice.html
He's one in the running to cross with Solei.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/la+legacy+de+solei

Solei:

[WSArabians]

Originally Posted by Druydess

I just checked your website WS, and he is a handsome boy with an amazing pedigree.

Does he have foals on the ground?

I just purchased one mare that was bred to him last year, and am still awaiting that foal.
He's had several with his previous owners, but I haven't gotten one yet from him personally. I had purchased a weanling last year but he didn't make it through the winter. I was absolutely floored when they offered Shai to me!
I fell in love with him when I went to look at his colt, and they had made it clear that he wasn't for sale.
He is actually the fifth horse I had gotten from them.

[Druydess]

Originally Posted by WSArabians

She is beautiful!
What's her breeding?

I've got a few of Shai up there, but he's still in his winter coat. I need to get my camera back so I can get some update pictures of my boy. lol

The Simeon Shai line is wonderful. He's got a superb temperment, great movement and excellent conformation.
He has won his halter championship in the US when he was younger, and I've been looking at getting him back into the show ring either this summer or next.
I feel really privliged to have this boy in my barn.

I'm so sorry to hear of your baby...

I would be proud too! He's a looker!

I am thinking of having a stallion in the future ...not sure whether my girls will gift me with one, or whether I'll buy one outright though..

[WSArabians]

Originally Posted by Druydess

I'm really enjoying your opinions on different lines...
What do you think of this guy??
He's very prepotent and consistently throws his liver color and white mane...one of the few Reg. Arabian Palominos...

http://www.tiffanyranch.com/stallions/fireanice.html
He's one in the running to cross with Solei.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/la+legacy+de+solei

Fire And Ice is a gorgeous stallion.
I came very close to getting a daughter of his, but I couldn't get a hauler up here and then I ended up getting two Muscat/Aladdin mares.
Still keeping an eye out, though I wouldn't mind crossing him Maiden, my chestnut Sabino mare. Or Roxy...She's got more chrome and her mane is more flaxen, too.
Is Fire still a stallion?

[ahabarabs]

Originally Posted by Druydess

I'm really enjoying your opinions on different lines...
What do you think of this guy??
He's very prepotent and consistently throws his liver color and white mane...one of the few Reg. Arabian Palominos...

http://www.tiffanyranch.com/stallions/fireanice.html
He's one in the running to cross with Solei.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/la+legacy+de+solei

Solei:

Nice looking stallion, have seen him advertised somewhere before, isn't his sire BG's ex. stallion ? he's got A LOT of different stuff in his breeding, really the only action horses to speak of are Le Fire, Bask, Comet, and on bottom Cognac who was very good Bask son, good action producer, Ivanhoe Tsultan was a really good horse, but not for any action, even his real good polish horses like Czortan/Czort produced well for the racetrack, but not a whole lot of english horses, with a few exceptions like Aloes/El Ghazi, but El Ghazi had a lot of other real good polish action horses in his background.

[Druydess]

Here's his pedigree. His sire is: Gold N Ali

I think you were looking at Solei's pedigree... She has great action, but I need something to breed for straighter legs and more neck. The 2 sisters inhereted some cow-hock and their necks are a bit thin..

Pedigree Fire An Ice
454606 Gold N Ali El Cabazon Ferzon Royal SHA Coy

San El Zeynah

San El Chalice San El Zasmin Tu-Flame Baske-Tu *Bask Nafta WA Miss Fame Fames Fortune Shasty

[ahabarabs]

Wow, duh me, I guess I was , my brain is only half here tonight it's about bedtime!!!!!!! got the right horse this time, ( I know I saw the right horse on the link you posted, and then just clicked next link assuming it was him, did not look at name though ) there's only a few on this one I know, on bottom I saw a couple going to Baske-tu, who I saw as an older horse, and remember pretty good type, and decent length of neck, and correct, saw El Paso as well, just in his stall though, and he was very correct horse ( legs and such ) but very course head, and no action, plus he never produced any action to speak of.

on bottom, never saw in person, but Mr. McCoy/ The Real McCoy, were quite typey, and very good length of neck, from what I did see/remember from pic's and produced, and of course Ferzon was a legend in his own right, and produced well as he was intensly line bred/in bred, so he was quite prepotent.

Gold n Ali, his sire I really do not recall anything about to say, I don't know if he was not promoted on a large scale, or if he had a limited show career, ( i.e. non national/regional type stuff ) cause with his age, if he was around much in the 80's-90's, I would have probably seen, or heard of him. of course there's Silver Drift back there that was a real good crabbet horse, who was out of same dam as Oran Van Crabbet.

P.S. arrrggg computer driving me crazy, post not going through getting erased, neck hurts, going to bed LOL

[Barngoddess]

Originally Posted by ahabarabs

Wow, duh me, I guess I was , my brain is only half here tonight it's about bedtime!!!!!!! got the right horse this time, ( I know I saw the right horse on the link you posted, and then just clicked next link assuming it was him, did not look at name though ) there's only a few on this one I know, on bottom I saw a couple going to Baske-tu, who I saw as an older horse, and remember pretty good type, and decent length of neck, and correct, saw El Paso as well, just in his stall though, and he was very correct horse ( legs and such ) but very course head, and no action, plus he never produced any action to speak of.

on bottom, never saw in person, but Mr. McCoy/ The Real McCoy, were quite typey, and very good length of neck, from what I did see/remember from pic's and produced, and of course Ferzon was a legend in his own right, and produced well as he was intensly line bred/in bred, so he was quite prepotent.

Gold n Ali, his sire I really do not recall anything about to say, I don't know if he was not promoted on a large scale, or if he had a limited show career, ( i.e. non national/regional type stuff ) cause with his age, if he was around much in the 80's-90's, I would have probably seen, or heard of him.

P.S. arrrggg computer driving me crazy, post not going through getting erased, neck hurts, going to bed LOL

Then you'd like our Kierra. Her sire's line goes back to Silver Drift and The Real McCoy. I've been researching her Russian lines, but I guess since this is technically a Polish/Egyptian thread I'll have to start a new thread for that.

[ahabarabs]

Originally Posted by Barngoddess

Then you'd like our Kierra. Her sire's line goes back to Silver Drift and The Real McCoy. I've been researching her Russian lines, but I guess since this is technically a Polish/Egyptian thread I'll have to start a new thread for that.

Russians good too !!!! we don't discriminate!!!!

[Barngoddess]

LOL!!!

[Barngoddess]

In researching Kierras bloodlines I discovered that Nariadni was an exceptionally well know Russian stud.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/aaa+fans+kierra

Kierra showing her stuff



Kierra showing her sweetness



Nariadni tribute 1973-1997:
There is no better compliment to *Muscat than the outstanding sire *Nariadni. A straight Russian stallion with a superb pedigree that combines the best of Russian breeding. According to Rick Taylor, “*Nariadni is exactly what he should be with a pedigree like this—immaculate.”*Nariadni has sired over 500 foals and has taken his place as a sire of International Champions including Canadian National Champion Namaskar. Nariadni himself was a successful show horse, winning at halter and in English Pleasure performance competition. *Nariadni was twice a Regional Top Five and Scottsdale Top Ten.Once again we can thank Howard Kale Jr. for recognizing the value of the two-year old chestnut, as *Nariadni was in the first group of Tersk Arabians imported to the US, along with his dam *Nariadnaia in 1976. *Nariadni is the son of Tersk Stud sire Nabeg, Arax’s best son, who contributed not only excellent conformation, he added those magnificent big, soft eyes that mirrored his great disposition. *Nariadni’s dam Nariadnaia is considered to be one of the most beautiful mares ever bred at Tersk. Nariadnaia is by Aswan and out of All Union Champion Neposeda, a Priboj daughter. The best from generations of Russian breeding is exemplified by *Nariadni and his daughters.



Important Horses
*Nariadni


There is no better compliment to *Muscat than the outstanding sire *Nariadni, a straight Russian stallion with a superd pedigree that combines the best of Russian breeding. According to Rick Taylor, "*Nariadni is exactly what he should be with a pedigree like this - immaculate."

*Nariadni has sired over 500 foals and has taken his place as a sire of International Champions including Canadian National Champion, Namaskar. *Nariadni himself was a succesful show horse, winning at halter and in English Pleasure performance competition. *Nariadni was twice as Regional Top Five and Scottsdale Top Ten.

Once again we can thank Howard Kale Jr. for recognizing the value of the two-year old chestnut, as *Nariadni was in the first group of Tersk Arabians imported to the U.S., along with his dam *Nariadnaia in 1976.




*Nariadni is the son of the Tersk Stud sire Nabeg, Arax's best son, who contributed not only excellent conformation, he added those magnificent big, soft eyes that mirrored his great disposition. *Nariadni dam Nariadnaia is considered to be one of the most beautiful mares ever bred at Tersk. Nariadnaia is by Aswan and out of the All Union Champion, Neposeda, a Priboj daughter. The best from generations of Russian breeding is exemplified by *Nariadni, and his daughters are highly prized as broodmatrons for their ability to produce type and quality.

The Tayalors bought *Nariadni and *Muscat together for the lost of the breed, and offer the best of these two great stallions.



And here are a few more pics of the great Nariadni:

[Barngoddess]

Originally Posted by WSArabians

I just purchased one mare that was bred to him last year, and am still awaiting that foal.
He's had several with his previous owners, but I haven't gotten one yet from him personally. I had purchased a weanling last year but he didn't make it through the winter. I was absolutely floored when they offered Shai to me!
I fell in love with him when I went to look at his colt, and they had made it clear that he wasn't for sale.
He is actually the fifth horse I had gotten from them.

WS:

You sound like me when I met and fell in love with Fire. I wasn't in the market for a stud. My husband and I were looking for riding horses. I had always loved Arabians, but never thought I would be able to afford one -- their price tag in the 70's & 80's was way out of reach for what I'd ever be able to afford. So, when I saw an ad that read: "Arabians - stud, mares, gelding - $1,000 to $500," I was wondering what the catch was. The lady who was selling was having financial problems due to illness and was having to move out of state. She just wanted to find them a good homes. Fire mesmerized me instantly. I had dreamed about having my own Arabian stallion since I was about 7 years old and suddenly he was right in front of me at a price I could afford! Despite his awesome bloodlines, we did have him gelded and it was the best thing we could have done for him. I hate that studs have to live a solitary life and the lady we bought him from had him in a small paddock with a stall for him to run into -- hence he developed his cribbing habit. Now he is out with his girl all day long (or night depending on the the time of year) and he couldn't be happier. Ours is a torrid love affair! LOL! I keep telling my husband that Fire is the only man he EVER has to be jealous of!

[For8tune]

Originally Posted by Barngoddess

WS:

You sound like me when I met and fell in love with Fire. I wasn't in the market for a stud. My husband and I were looking for riding horses. I had always loved Arabians, but never thought I would be able to afford one -- their price tag in the 70's & 80's was way out of reach for what I'd ever be able to afford. So, when I saw an ad that read: "Arabians - stud, mares, gelding - $1,000 to $500," I was wondering what the catch was. The lady who was selling was having financial problems due to illness and was having to move out of state. She just wanted to find them a good homes. Fire mesmerized me instantly. I had dreamed about having my own Arabian stallion since I was about 7 years old and suddenly he was right in front of me at a price I could afford! Despite his awesome bloodlines, we did have him gelded and it was the best thing we could have done for him. I hate that studs have to live a solitary life and the lady we bought him from had him in a small paddock with a stall for him to run into -- hence he developed his cribbing habit. Now he is out with his girl all day long (or night depending on the the time of year) and he couldn't be happier. Ours is a torrid love affair! LOL! I keep telling my husband that Fire is the only man he EVER has to be jealous of!

I was the same way with Fortune. He has awesome bloodlines but I felt being a gelding was in his best intrest. Sometimes I question if it was the right thing to do but then I see how stallions live and know I did the right thing. But don't tell him he isn't the big man because he sure thinks he is! He was a wonderful stallion and now is an awesome gelding!

[TDH]

Just a note about Fire An Ice.... gorgeous as he is! Remember that there is no true creme [Palomino] gene in purebred Arabians; technically he's not a Palomino, but a chestnut with flaxen mane and tail. He is registered Palomino only due to his coloring - the Palomino Horse Association is purely a color registry.

Wanted to clarify that in case you were hoping for a "true" palomino foal....

[Druydess]

Originally Posted by TDH

Just a note about Fire An Ice.... gorgeous as he is! Remember that there is no true creme [Palomino] gene in purebred Arabians; technically he's not a Palomino, but a chestnut with flaxen mane and tail. He is registered Palomino only due to his coloring - the Palomino Horse Association is purely a color registry.

Wanted to clarify that in case you were hoping for a "true" palomino foal....

I appreciate the info TDH. I did realize there is no creme gene, that's why I thought interesting it that he's registered as one. Didn't think that was allowed, but I suppose it is. If that's the case, I guess I could register Solei...

Since Solei's coloring is so striking, I would like to compliment it with a like stallion who also can improve her across the board..
People have such an immediate reaction when they see her; they're truly spellbound. Then they try and buy her from me.. lol.. I'd like to preserve that "presence."
Lines and temperament are most important, but with color like hers, you just can't waste that..

I'm also impressed with all the accomplishments he has..

[Druydess]

Originally Posted by ahabarabs

Wow, duh me, I guess I was , my brain is only half here tonight it's about bedtime!!!!!!! got the right horse this time, ( I know I saw the right horse on the link you posted, and then just clicked next link assuming it was him, did not look at name though ) there's only a few on this one I know, on bottom I saw a couple going to Baske-tu, who I saw as an older horse, and remember pretty good type, and decent length of neck, and correct, saw El Paso as well, just in his stall though, and he was very correct horse ( legs and such ) but very course head, and no action, plus he never produced any action to speak of.

on bottom, never saw in person, but Mr. McCoy/ The Real McCoy, were quite typey, and very good length of neck, from what I did see/remember from pic's and produced, and of course Ferzon was a legend in his own right, and produced well as he was intensly line bred/in bred, so he was quite prepotent.

Gold n Ali, his sire I really do not recall anything about to say, I don't know if he was not promoted on a large scale, or if he had a limited show career, ( i.e. non national/regional type stuff ) cause with his age, if he was around much in the 80's-90's, I would have probably seen, or heard of him. of course there's Silver Drift back there that was a real good crabbet horse, who was out of same dam as Oran Van Crabbet.

P.S. arrrggg computer driving me crazy, post not going through getting erased, neck hurts, going to bed LOL

I am impressed with his awards/showings as well. But the biggest thing with him, is his prepotency. If you look at his foals, they are all consistent for color, type, etc..

"Fire An Ice's phenomenal show career is now being paralleled by his breeding career. He is again setting records. As of the summer of 2000, 250 individual breeders from across the country have chosen him for their mares. Some have bred or booked several mares. They are all impressed with his prepotency, i.e. his ability to consistently produce himself, and with the awesome quality of his semen. Fire An Ice foals tend to have his short back, powerful hip, smooth body, straight legs, typey head, fluid motion, and trainable dispositions. The majority also has his color or variation of his color."

Here is one of his grandsons, also at stud, and in turn stamping his foals consistently as well.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/fc+casino+royale

I'll post another contender later, or maybe just start the thread for people who have mares or stallions they may be interested in breeding..

[Druydess]

Originally Posted by WSArabians

Fire And Ice is a gorgeous stallion.
I came very close to getting a daughter of his, but I couldn't get a hauler up here and then I ended up getting two Muscat/Aladdin mares.
Still keeping an eye out, though I wouldn't mind crossing him Maiden, my chestnut Sabino mare. Or Roxy...She's got more chrome and her mane is more flaxen, too.
Is Fire still a stallion?

Yeah, he keeps drawing me back to him. And with Solei's conformation and color, I think the cross would have a lot of potential. Perhaps even cross both sisters with him, as Firestorm's conformation isn't quite as good as Solei, but she is an amazing mover. With Fire and Ice's prepotency with regard to his propensity to improve mares, I may seriously consider breeding them. I want to produce the best possible foal.

But there's always Magic and Spirit. They are definite breeders!

Your mares sound lovely..
OK, where are the pics??? Hmmm??