UPDATE on Help! Goat bloat emergency!

midnyte · 07-26-2008, 06:27 PM

My reg. vet is out of town and her stand in doesn't do goats. The next clinic is over an hour away...I'm waiting for a call-back. My 2 month old goat boy is bloated and lying down looking miserable. He overate. Last night the 3 kids decided they like greens and denuded the pen. Need suggestions fast!

Sassy · 07-26-2008, 06:49 PM

I am not sure about this but try Pepto??? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1090512AAhSbRW Check this link out it talks about baking soda and oil?!?? Good luck keep us posted!

Sunlei · 07-26-2008, 07:04 PM

I believe you can make a goat vomit just like a dog. Once my dog ate the entire contents of rotten trash that came from a broken freezer. I used the med in a child poison kit to make her vomit that garbage. (H. peroxide will make dogs vomit aswell)

Ask your Vet if theres still time to empty the goats belly or if goats can vomit. I'm not sure about over-eating goats or what med your Vet would recomend. Good luck with the goats.

midnyte · 07-26-2008, 07:04 PM

I've brought him into the kitchen since we're in the middle of an electrical storm. I've given him balls of baking soda and put corn oil into him. Hubbys off to buy pepto. I'm massaging his tummy like when my son had colic. Keep little Oreo in your thoughts. Thanks for the link!

midnyte · 07-26-2008, 10:28 PM

We've done Pepto, baking soda and corn oil and massaging. We popped him into the dog crate and took a long, bumpy ride over gravel and railroad tracks. He looks better but I know we're not out of the woods yet. Please keep Oreo in your thoughts that he makes it through the night.

prancingpony · 07-26-2008, 10:59 PM

Oh Midnyte---i hope he is ok soon!!!! (((HUGS)))

HorseLVR · 07-26-2008, 11:05 PM

Awwww...poor baby. I hope he's ok very soon.

CowhorseGal · 07-26-2008, 11:09 PM

We used vegtable oil.. keep putting in into him
Also..and I am abit afraind to tell you all this, but I learned from an old friend of mine (who has raised goats for 50 years that if you litteraly pick them up by their back leg and swing them in a circle Centrfigal (sp)force will actually force tha gas out of their stomachs..

I though she was nuts when she told me this but when my goats both bloated this is what saved their lives
Of course the goats actually have to be small enough to do this with ( I'm
5'2" and 118 pounds )and it was all I could do to swing those goats around while my ungrateful children stood around and laughed

Hope your goat fare well!

horselady · 07-27-2008, 06:53 AM

How is the little goat this morning?
I hope you managed to help it ,

Karen Cole · 07-27-2008, 07:19 AM

Your local farm store should carry C/D ANTITOXIN if they do get some and follow the instructions on the bottle or go to Fiasco Farms website and see what thier instructions are. Also if he is still in pain you can give 1cc of injectable bandimine (per 100#s). Some will say it's a one time dose but I know breeders that have given it once a day for several days in extream cases.

Hope he is better
Karen

Sassy · 07-27-2008, 10:00 AM

Just checking for updates on how your little goat is doing this morning!? Sure hope he pulled threw ok?!

Range · 07-27-2008, 10:13 AM

Baking soda is the way to go in bloat. Sometimes, it takes several doses. I mix mine in a concotion of Nutridrench, corn oil, water, and a little karo to make it taste better. Then, I drench it once an hour until I see some relief. You should see the sides start to go down some and the goat will act much relieved.

If you keep a pan in their pasture of baking soda, they'll sometimes be able to stop themselves from bloating.

How is he this morning?

On green grass, you also want to watch for founder. Yes, goats will founder on a carbohydrate overload.

midnyte · 07-27-2008, 06:20 PM

Update on Oreo:
Oreo made it through the night and looks as if nothing happened!

He's back to eating hay and drinking water without bloating problems. I had him sleep in my kitchen last night as it was raining hard (he slept in a big dog crate, if you're envisioning the worst mayhem possible) and this morning popped out of the crate looking for food. I walked him outside and he did his business. His feces are somewhat mushy but are starting to form again. I'm planning a trip to our vet tomorrow to get an OK on him. Luckily, I live close to a goat supply and will buy the necessary stuff for him and any future problems. I gave him goat electrolytes (goat Gatorade!

) to help him with any dehydration. I will always keep Pepto in the liquid form in the house and a dish of baking soda in the pen. I have taken the prepared milk bottle away (was planning on weaning them next weekend anyways). The babies are eating brome hay well and obviously are quite comfortable in eating vegetation! Seriously, it was like a plague of locusts hit the bushes and bramble in their pen overnight. I've had them for a week with the babies picking at the leaves and stuff without a giant pig-out on them, so it was a surprise. Oreo is now following me everywhere, and without much fuss on leash. I worked on that baby buck last night until I thought he was burping regularly. Needless to say, it was a late night. Just seeing him alert and moving around this morning was so worth it. Thanks for all the good thoughts. I truly believe that they helped!
This leads me to ask: do any of you goat owners feed a pelleted diet with the medicine in it on a regular basis? I'm very tempted to do so after this episode with Oreo.

Karen Cole · 07-27-2008, 09:43 PM

"pelleted diet with the medication in it" ? What pelleted feed and what medication? If you are talking about the Rumensin or Monison (sp)...coccidea prevention drug....I think they do an ok job if there is not already a problem. If the animal has a coccidea problem already we drench them with Albon or put it in the water bucket for 7 days monthly until they are 6 months old.

The only other feed additive I know of is amonium cloride (store bought) but thats for helping in the prevention of kidney stones/bladder stones. I don't know if it works or not we've never had a problem with that. The key to avoiding stones is a balanced diet.

We do add terimycin crumbles to our feed but it does not come that way. I mix it in for a week durring breeding season and then once a month after that. Supposedly it helps prevent clamydia based abortions. Can't say if it works or not but it's worth it for me to use it just incase.

Glad to hear he is doing better
Karen

crittermom · 07-27-2008, 09:46 PM

I'm really late coming in on this post----I would have recommended oil also. Glad all worked out well and you two now have an even "more special bond".

midnyte · 07-27-2008, 11:38 PM

Hi Karen-
The feed I'm considering is ACCO Feeds Showmaster Goat Developer Medicated. The drug ingredient is listed as Decoquinate 19.0 grams/ton, or 9.52 MG per pound. I think that's what the drug is: I can't read my writing. It says its for the prevention of coccidiosis in young goats. Is this bloat from coccidiosis brought on by overeating?

I've never owned anything with more than one stomach before! Thanks.

Karen Cole · 07-28-2008, 06:15 AM

Coccidea is an organism that naturally lives in the goats intestins in times of stress they often multiply causing the runs, stunted growth and unthriftyness. If left untreated can cause perminent stunted growth and death.

A vet can easily do a fecal count for you on this. We do feed a medicated feed to our newly weaned kids along with medicated water. I know many breeders that use the medicated feed on thier goats and swear it works. For us it does not work alone we have low wet ground which seems to make coccidea worse which is why we add it to the water.

Bloat is caused by overeating or a fast change in diet. Keeping the baking soda out helps as does vaccinating for CD/T. The T is for tetunus horses carry it so it's good to have goats living on horse property vaccinated. Anytime we've had a bloat we've also given the CD Antitoxin it's the fast acting versin of the CD in CD/T.

Hope this makes sense I've not yet had my coffee.

Karen

ToveroMom · 07-28-2008, 08:20 AM

I was thinking of getting a little pet goat but I am just figuring out how much I do NOT know about them..

Karen Cole · 07-28-2008, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToveroMom

I was thinking of getting a little pet goat but I am just figuring out how much I do NOT know about them..

I can honestly take care of 12 horses easier than 12 goats....why do I do it? I like goats and I make alot more money with them than we ever did horses.

Karen

Range · 07-28-2008, 10:34 AM

Tmom - for me, the problem with the goats is that the vet isn't as skilled as they purportedly are with horses. The goats are constantly throwing something at me that I have to research and treat. I had one bloat on me once...scary. I've had a neurologic problem that ended in death. I had bottle jaw because of a bad batch of wormer. Currently, I have one losing two front teeth for no apparent reason.

They can founder.

They are such odd little beasties!

Truly, though, they are totally worth it for the enjoyment they bring!

I'm glad Oreo is going to be okay! Bloat can be very, very scary!

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07-26-2008, 06:27 PM
midnyte Halter broke Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 199	UPDATE on Help! Goat bloat emergency! My reg. vet is out of town and her stand in doesn't do goats. The next clinic is over an hour away...I'm waiting for a call-back. My 2 month old goat boy is bloated and lying down looking miserable. He overate. Last night the 3 kids decided they like greens and denuded the pen. Need suggestions fast! Last edited by midnyte : 07-27-2008 at 06:26 PM.

07-26-2008, 06:49 PM
Sassy Started Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,338	I am not sure about this but try Pepto??? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1090512AAhSbRW Check this link out it talks about baking soda and oil?!?? Good luck keep us posted! __________________ A horse which stops dead just before a jump and thus propels its rider into a graceful arc provides a splendid excuse for general merriment. ~ DUKE OF ENDINBURGH ~

07-26-2008, 07:04 PM
Sunlei Long Yearling Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,322	I believe you can make a goat vomit just like a dog. Once my dog ate the entire contents of rotten trash that came from a broken freezer. I used the med in a child poison kit to make her vomit that garbage. (H. peroxide will make dogs vomit aswell) Ask your Vet if theres still time to empty the goats belly or if goats can vomit. I'm not sure about over-eating goats or what med your Vet would recomend. Good luck with the goats.

07-26-2008, 10:28 PM
midnyte Halter broke Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 199	We've done Pepto, baking soda and corn oil and massaging. We popped him into the dog crate and took a long, bumpy ride over gravel and railroad tracks. He looks better but I know we're not out of the woods yet. Please keep Oreo in your thoughts that he makes it through the night.

07-26-2008, 10:59 PM
prancingpony Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,365	Oh Midnyte---i hope he is ok soon!!!! (((HUGS))) __________________ Breeder of fine Gypsy Sport Horses http://www.freewebs.com/faewillow/ Equine Gifts at http://www.cafepress.com/faewillow

07-26-2008, 11:05 PM
HorseLVR Long Yearling Join Date: May 2006 Location: Robertsdale,Alabama Posts: 1,349	Awwww...poor baby. I hope he's ok very soon.

07-26-2008, 11:09 PM
CowhorseGal Long Yearling Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,047	We used vegtable oil.. keep putting in into him Also..and I am abit afraind to tell you all this, but I learned from an old friend of mine (who has raised goats for 50 years that if you litteraly pick them up by their back leg and swing them in a circle Centrfigal (sp)force will actually force tha gas out of their stomachs.. I though she was nuts when she told me this but when my goats both bloated this is what saved their lives Of course the goats actually have to be small enough to do this with ( I'm 5'2" and 118 pounds )and it was all I could do to swing those goats around while my ungrateful children stood around and laughed Hope your goat fare well! __________________ Quality Peformance horses with foundation breeding http://blackcanyonpaints.webs.com/

07-27-2008, 06:53 AM
horselady Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 6,425	How is the little goat this morning? I hope you managed to help it , __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime

07-27-2008, 07:19 AM
Karen Cole Started Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,530	Your local farm store should carry C/D ANTITOXIN if they do get some and follow the instructions on the bottle or go to Fiasco Farms website and see what thier instructions are. Also if he is still in pain you can give 1cc of injectable bandimine (per 100#s). Some will say it's a one time dose but I know breeders that have given it once a day for several days in extream cases. Hope he is better Karen

07-27-2008, 10:00 AM
Sassy Started Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,338	Just checking for updates on how your little goat is doing this morning!? Sure hope he pulled threw ok?! __________________ A horse which stops dead just before a jump and thus propels its rider into a graceful arc provides a splendid excuse for general merriment. ~ DUKE OF ENDINBURGH ~

07-27-2008, 10:13 AM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,738	Baking soda is the way to go in bloat. Sometimes, it takes several doses. I mix mine in a concotion of Nutridrench, corn oil, water, and a little karo to make it taste better. Then, I drench it once an hour until I see some relief. You should see the sides start to go down some and the goat will act much relieved. If you keep a pan in their pasture of baking soda, they'll sometimes be able to stop themselves from bloating. How is he this morning? On green grass, you also want to watch for founder. Yes, goats will founder on a carbohydrate overload. __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery

07-27-2008, 06:20 PM
midnyte Halter broke Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 199	Update on Oreo: Oreo made it through the night and looks as if nothing happened! He's back to eating hay and drinking water without bloating problems. I had him sleep in my kitchen last night as it was raining hard (he slept in a big dog crate, if you're envisioning the worst mayhem possible) and this morning popped out of the crate looking for food. I walked him outside and he did his business. His feces are somewhat mushy but are starting to form again. I'm planning a trip to our vet tomorrow to get an OK on him. Luckily, I live close to a goat supply and will buy the necessary stuff for him and any future problems. I gave him goat electrolytes (goat Gatorade!) to help him with any dehydration. I will always keep Pepto in the liquid form in the house and a dish of baking soda in the pen. I have taken the prepared milk bottle away (was planning on weaning them next weekend anyways). The babies are eating brome hay well and obviously are quite comfortable in eating vegetation! Seriously, it was like a plague of locusts hit the bushes and bramble in their pen overnight. I've had them for a week with the babies picking at the leaves and stuff without a giant pig-out on them, so it was a surprise. Oreo is now following me everywhere, and without much fuss on leash. I worked on that baby buck last night until I thought he was burping regularly. Needless to say, it was a late night. Just seeing him alert and moving around this morning was so worth it. Thanks for all the good thoughts. I truly believe that they helped! This leads me to ask: do any of you goat owners feed a pelleted diet with the medicine in it on a regular basis? I'm very tempted to do so after this episode with Oreo.

07-27-2008, 09:43 PM
Karen Cole Started Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,530	"pelleted diet with the medication in it" ? What pelleted feed and what medication? If you are talking about the Rumensin or Monison (sp)...coccidea prevention drug....I think they do an ok job if there is not already a problem. If the animal has a coccidea problem already we drench them with Albon or put it in the water bucket for 7 days monthly until they are 6 months old. The only other feed additive I know of is amonium cloride (store bought) but thats for helping in the prevention of kidney stones/bladder stones. I don't know if it works or not we've never had a problem with that. The key to avoiding stones is a balanced diet. We do add terimycin crumbles to our feed but it does not come that way. I mix it in for a week durring breeding season and then once a month after that. Supposedly it helps prevent clamydia based abortions. Can't say if it works or not but it's worth it for me to use it just incase. Glad to hear he is doing better Karen

07-27-2008, 09:46 PM
crittermom Greenbroke Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,228	I'm really late coming in on this post----I would have recommended oil also. Glad all worked out well and you two now have an even "more special bond". __________________ Peace!! I wish the people of the world could get along as well as the animals in my backyard.

07-27-2008, 11:38 PM
midnyte Halter broke Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 199	medicated feed Hi Karen- The feed I'm considering is ACCO Feeds Showmaster Goat Developer Medicated. The drug ingredient is listed as Decoquinate 19.0 grams/ton, or 9.52 MG per pound. I think that's what the drug is: I can't read my writing. It says its for the prevention of coccidiosis in young goats. Is this bloat from coccidiosis brought on by overeating? I've never owned anything with more than one stomach before! Thanks.

07-28-2008, 06:15 AM
Karen Cole Started Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,530	Coccidea is an organism that naturally lives in the goats intestins in times of stress they often multiply causing the runs, stunted growth and unthriftyness. If left untreated can cause perminent stunted growth and death. A vet can easily do a fecal count for you on this. We do feed a medicated feed to our newly weaned kids along with medicated water. I know many breeders that use the medicated feed on thier goats and swear it works. For us it does not work alone we have low wet ground which seems to make coccidea worse which is why we add it to the water. Bloat is caused by overeating or a fast change in diet. Keeping the baking soda out helps as does vaccinating for CD/T. The T is for tetunus horses carry it so it's good to have goats living on horse property vaccinated. Anytime we've had a bloat we've also given the CD Antitoxin it's the fast acting versin of the CD in CD/T. Hope this makes sense I've not yet had my coffee. Karen

07-28-2008, 08:20 AM
ToveroMom Pasture Pet Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cleveland TX Posts: 17,059	I was thinking of getting a little pet goat but I am just figuring out how much I do NOT know about them.. __________________

07-28-2008, 10:34 AM
Range Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 6,738	Tmom - for me, the problem with the goats is that the vet isn't as skilled as they purportedly are with horses. The goats are constantly throwing something at me that I have to research and treat. I had one bloat on me once...scary. I've had a neurologic problem that ended in death. I had bottle jaw because of a bad batch of wormer. Currently, I have one losing two front teeth for no apparent reason. They can founder. They are such odd little beasties! Truly, though, they are totally worth it for the enjoyment they bring! I'm glad Oreo is going to be okay! Bloat can be very, very scary! __________________ "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all... you just might get it all, and then some you don't want." Chris Daughtery