Coworker attacked - Page 3

snwflk · 11-18-2008, 04:44 PM

Well I would say that he is going to be in solitary for a while then.

Just slide his meals under the door -

I hope your coworker is going to be okay-. Like I said. She should get puppy duty for a while -

cameo05 · 11-18-2008, 04:50 PM

Wow, I am sorry for your co=worker. I hope that they can physically as well as emotionally get over this.

I am an Akita owner

, I have had 2 purebreds and 1 mix akita/pitbull. My present Akita is a wonderful loving 2yo. He has had professional training and will again when he is mature. Plus regular lessons by me. Seer, gadew, thunderbaby, etc have met him.

Yes I agree, that a dangerous dog regardless of breed, should be euthinized immediatly. People are right agression is aggression, but this one sits squarly on the owners shoulders.

I seriously hope that they do something so that this does't happen again. Kinda lucky in a way though (if ya call it that), that Akita could have taken the co-worker down with 1 bite instead of giving several bites. My akita is 2yo and weights close to 110. He could take me down wiithout issue.

DoBeSassy · 11-18-2008, 05:02 PM

Yeah we could talk about the "what ifs"

Like what if she hadn't turned and he still lunged? It could have been her throat that time

cameo05 · 11-18-2008, 05:05 PM

Probably would have been? Regardless of whatever, this situation calls for the euthenazia.

DoBeSassy · 11-18-2008, 05:14 PM

I will be taking over some of her kennel shifts as were about to hit the Thanksgiving rush

.

So I'll get more info on what the owners decide to do with him

lbequ4002 · 11-18-2008, 05:38 PM

I'm on the fence on this one. It seems like the dog really did some damage. If I were the owner I'd really have to think about the safety of others. People seem to worry about the dog being put down but what about all the good dogs who get put down by the thousands every day of the week at shelters? I have a lab who I rescued a few hours before he got the needle because he was big and unsocialized. You can't ask for a sweeter more obediant dog. No matter what dogs are animals we can't always control them or know why they did something but ultimately we are responsible for them and they people and animals they come in contact with.

prancingpony · 11-18-2008, 05:40 PM

If it were my dog it would be put down. If it were me or my child that was bit--I would have an attorney to make sure it was put down! No ands, ifs or buts about it!

I hope your co-worker recovers and has use of her arm!

cameo05 · 11-18-2008, 06:16 PM

Oh yeah, I don't know if I put this or not. If it were my dog yes he would be put down simply because of the higher risk of occurance. If it was provoked by someone (ie like hitting him, protecting me) No I would not.

tricia3kids · 11-18-2008, 06:42 PM

So sorry to hear about yoru coe-worker. I hope she recovers well. both physicial and emotional. Dog bites are so painful. Not to ever diss a specific breed. When a dog attacks, and is successful that behavior is not going to be changed. sorry , but that dog needs to be put down ASAP. the liability issue alone would make it required. believe me when I speak, it is not from emotion, it is from experience. Male unneutered, dominance, care taker in the lower body position..it all screams attack.

thumpersgirl · 11-18-2008, 09:34 PM

Sorry to hear about your co-worker. I hope she heals up quickly and still has use of her arm. As for the dog - if he were mine, he's already be dead.

roberts617 · 11-18-2008, 09:38 PM

I'm sorry for your co-worker, I can't imagine how scary that would be! I hope she mends quickly and be safe yourself as well!

Shepdog · 11-18-2008, 09:49 PM

Dominant adult intact male Akita with no training. It's a powderkeg, sorry. The fact that he's lifted his leg on someone before - not amusing in the slightest. My opinion, without seeing the dog, is that he's a spoiled bully, and I bet he sleeps on his owner's bed and growls when they go to move him. Sigh.

The owners need to stand up, take some responsibility, but to me it sounds like the dog knows exactly who is in charge. What I especially don't like is that you've told us is that the person had let go of his feet when the attack occured.

Personally, I would never allow this dog back in at my facility, and I'd sure as heck wish there was a way for them to forcibly neuter the dog. This dog doesn't need to be breeding anything, and the people need to get their heads out of the sand. Not all dogs can be rehabbed, sorry, I just don't believe it, and I've dealt with a lot of of dogs. But this one is first and foremost bad handling on the owner's part.

I feel bad for who next gets the dog at their boarding kennel or vet hospital. I guarantee, he's going to hurt someone badly, because those sorts of owners don't mention that he's got a backhistory on biting to the next person in line. Hopefully, it will be his owners he gets and not someone who goes in to deal with him.

Ugh, just makes me angry. What a waste, of both dog and situation. I hope your friend is okay... poor girl.

arabiancowgirl · 11-18-2008, 09:52 PM

I owned a male akita for about 2 years before he had to be put down

. He was a VERY aggressive/dominant dog. He was also unstable. He ended up killing my neighbors dog, I had him put down that day.

I would never want another one, every one I have met seem on the verge of being very unstable! I had one jump for my throat, I had a shovel so the dog got a smack across the face.

I am now into GSDs and they are just the best dogs! They don't attack for no reason...

(The male akita was a rescue)

sherriawright · 11-18-2008, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shepdog

I bet he sleeps on his owner's bed

My dog Disney and I are reading this together and she is very insulted by that remark.

She "allows" me to share HER bed and manages to steal all the covers every night, how she does it, I don't know

. I keep trying to explain to her that she's a labrador and should be duck hunting, but she says it's too cold out.

However, she has never growled or nipped at anyone and has 2 little monster girls climb and "train" her every day.

I am very sorry for your co-worker and hope she adjusts alright. The akita needs to be put down or the owner needs to be sued for stupidity.

HorseLovinLady · 11-19-2008, 01:17 AM

I'm so sorry to hear about your coworker, I hope she recovers fully. The dog should be put down in my opinion.

Crookedblaze · 11-19-2008, 01:27 AM

A similar thing happened in San Francisco, only the woman was killed. Unfortunitly, through human error the dogs are ruined for life. You can only hope for someone like the dog whisperer helps educate these people to prevent it.

I hope that your coworker is okay. How scary.

Shepdog · 11-19-2008, 01:46 AM

*chuckles* Well, I wasn't commenting on people's dogs who are polite about the bed or the people they live with, so I don't think your Lab has much to worry about if she's reading this. Plus, taking just a bit of what I said and quoting it doesn't exactly put in the whole picture of what I was saying earlier...

I know plenty of great people and great, well-behaved dogs who do sleep on the owner's bed. (Me personally? No sir, I admit it, the Select Comfort is a dog-free zone.)

I have no problem with it as long as the dog, when asked to leave that position, does so without growling or snarling at the owner, or even taking a snap at him or her. I've had a customer who told me that she was no longer sleeping with her husband, because the dog was growling every time he went to come to bed - that dog sure had them over a barrel.

I admit, I'm making a guess, but I'd bet this Akita growls at his own family about a lot of things he doesn't want to do either. :/

mlh619 · 11-19-2008, 02:36 AM

Sorry to hear about your coworker I hope she recovers 100%

As for putting the dog down... About 99.9% of dogs are born followers, they don't like to be in the leader role. In a pack there is an alpha male and alpha female. They control the entire pack through body language and touch. When humans get a puppy they think it is so cute when it jumps up, steals our stuff, invites themselves on the the bed/couch/(insert other items here). We encourage them to jump up so we can pet them and generally let them have their way. This all feeds into allowing the dog to become the pack leader. Dogs NEED someone to be the leader and if the human does not step up to that role (intentionally or not) the dog will be forced into that position. Do they want to be the leader, no, but because someone has to do it they take it upon themselves to be the leader. Now add a few years to this dog in this unstable frame of mind, allowed to be dominant and alpha because the human won't take that position and you have a dog that is starting to show possesive and aggressive tendancies. You now have a dog that guards his space will growl or bite when asked to do something and whole other list of unwanted behaviors. Once a dog has had to be the leader for awhile (some dogs it is less time than others) it becomes harder for them to give up that position (depending on the dog). Some dogs are more than willing to have a human assume that role immediately whereas the next dog puts up some fight. Lack of exercise is a huge factor in dog behavior - being in a kennel is restricting the exercise therefor the dog has pent up energy contributing even more to the aggression. Dogs that are unaltered and not allowed to breed twice a year also have the sexual frustration which contributes to the aggression. Now put this into a breed that is already known to be a dominant breed and you have a recipe for disaster... Is it the dog's fault he bit someone- not a chance, is it the kennel staff's fault - partially because they probably didn't catch or ignored the subtle warning signs that an attack was imminent, is it the owner's fault - absolutely, it is their responsibility to keep the dog in a balanced, stable frame of mind.

Now hear me out on why I believe the kennel staff are at fault. Every dog no matter what they background of aggressive behaviour will give you warning signs that they will attack. Its the little things like their ear set, how the head is held, eye contact, the moment they freeze are all precursors to an attack. Now many dogs you can get away with ignoring these slight signs and you will never have a problem because they are satisfied that you will finish whatever you are doing and they are happy to submit to that but the dogs that have dominant tendency go through a though process much different. It is more like - the ears set changes, no response from human, the head becomes dominant, no response from human, the stare down begins and the human looks away solidifying the dogs mind that they are in control and it progresses from there. Many kennel staff don't have the necessary tools to deal with dominant dogs just because of lack of training. Being a dog lover and being the dog leader are two totally different things.

Back to the owner - it is his/her responsibility to bring to the kennel a balanced dog so he/she needs to find a trainer that can help them deal with the dog

I don't believe that the dog is aggressive. The attack was more likely a product of circumstance. Should the dog be put down? I don't think that should be the first thing to happen. This dog can be rehabilitated into a balanced member of society if the person knows how to do/go about it. If no one is willing to take that job on then yes put the dog down. It is sad when humans produce a dog like this and aren't willing to right the wrongs they have done and it is the animal that loses their life.

BabyMay · 11-19-2008, 05:19 AM

I don't think the dog should be put down. Maybe the medicated wipes burn or stung it paws and it was in pain. A lot more thought needs to be put into this decision.
I would also tell the owner that the kennel will no longer board the dog. Akitas are like alot of breeds that get bad raps because of bad owners.
JMO

BBT2T5 · 11-19-2008, 05:46 AM

The dog was out of his enviroment! He was caged and with people who are strangers to him! I don't care if he was boarded there before or not they are not his family nor his enviroment. Haven't you watched AFV with the clips where dogs have peed on someone or another dog? We can laugh at that but in this case we see it as a sign of agression? She was in his cage doing something that maybe he was not happy about. You know maybe he had enough, being in that cage, away from home, his family, hearing the other dogs barks, smelling their crap and the wipes was just the straw that put him over. I do not think he needs to be put down, I think we need to see it from his view and stop interpeting things. You and your co-workers are at risk for being bitten just like vets are, when it happens don't act suprised. I wish your co-worker well. The kennel can refuse him, they do have a choice.

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mlh619 Yearling Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sask, Canada Posts: 816	Sorry to hear about your coworker I hope she recovers 100% As for putting the dog down... About 99.9% of dogs are born followers, they don't like to be in the leader role. In a pack there is an alpha male and alpha female. They control the entire pack through body language and touch. When humans get a puppy they think it is so cute when it jumps up, steals our stuff, invites themselves on the the bed/couch/(insert other items here). We encourage them to jump up so we can pet them and generally let them have their way. This all feeds into allowing the dog to become the pack leader. Dogs NEED someone to be the leader and if the human does not step up to that role (intentionally or not) the dog will be forced into that position. Do they want to be the leader, no, but because someone has to do it they take it upon themselves to be the leader. Now add a few years to this dog in this unstable frame of mind, allowed to be dominant and alpha because the human won't take that position and you have a dog that is starting to show possesive and aggressive tendancies. You now have a dog that guards his space will growl or bite when asked to do something and whole other list of unwanted behaviors. Once a dog has had to be the leader for awhile (some dogs it is less time than others) it becomes harder for them to give up that position (depending on the dog). Some dogs are more than willing to have a human assume that role immediately whereas the next dog puts up some fight. Lack of exercise is a huge factor in dog behavior - being in a kennel is restricting the exercise therefor the dog has pent up energy contributing even more to the aggression. Dogs that are unaltered and not allowed to breed twice a year also have the sexual frustration which contributes to the aggression. Now put this into a breed that is already known to be a dominant breed and you have a recipe for disaster... Is it the dog's fault he bit someone- not a chance, is it the kennel staff's fault - partially because they probably didn't catch or ignored the subtle warning signs that an attack was imminent, is it the owner's fault - absolutely, it is their responsibility to keep the dog in a balanced, stable frame of mind. Now hear me out on why I believe the kennel staff are at fault. Every dog no matter what they background of aggressive behaviour will give you warning signs that they will attack. Its the little things like their ear set, how the head is held, eye contact, the moment they freeze are all precursors to an attack. Now many dogs you can get away with ignoring these slight signs and you will never have a problem because they are satisfied that you will finish whatever you are doing and they are happy to submit to that but the dogs that have dominant tendency go through a though process much different. It is more like - the ears set changes, no response from human, the head becomes dominant, no response from human, the stare down begins and the human looks away solidifying the dogs mind that they are in control and it progresses from there. Many kennel staff don't have the necessary tools to deal with dominant dogs just because of lack of training. Being a dog lover and being the dog leader are two totally different things. Back to the owner - it is his/her responsibility to bring to the kennel a balanced dog so he/she needs to find a trainer that can help them deal with the dog I don't believe that the dog is aggressive. The attack was more likely a product of circumstance. Should the dog be put down? I don't think that should be the first thing to happen. This dog can be rehabilitated into a balanced member of society if the person knows how to do/go about it. If no one is willing to take that job on then yes put the dog down. It is sad when humans produce a dog like this and aren't willing to right the wrongs they have done and it is the animal that loses their life.

11-19-2008, 05:19 AM
BabyMay Started Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,779	I don't think the dog should be put down. Maybe the medicated wipes burn or stung it paws and it was in pain. A lot more thought needs to be put into this decision. I would also tell the owner that the kennel will no longer board the dog. Akitas are like alot of breeds that get bad raps because of bad owners. JMO __________________ For the love of all animals.

11-19-2008, 05:46 AM
BBT2T5 Started Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Naperville, Illinois Posts: 2,670	The dog was out of his enviroment! He was caged and with people who are strangers to him! I don't care if he was boarded there before or not they are not his family nor his enviroment. Haven't you watched AFV with the clips where dogs have peed on someone or another dog? We can laugh at that but in this case we see it as a sign of agression? She was in his cage doing something that maybe he was not happy about. You know maybe he had enough, being in that cage, away from home, his family, hearing the other dogs barks, smelling their crap and the wipes was just the straw that put him over. I do not think he needs to be put down, I think we need to see it from his view and stop interpeting things. You and your co-workers are at risk for being bitten just like vets are, when it happens don't act suprised. I wish your co-worker well. The kennel can refuse him, they do have a choice.