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Old 08-25-2008, 10:07 PM  
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I have an 8 year old lab/chow spayed female. I've had her since she was a puppy and she's always been a great dog. She's always been "my" dog. She's normally very very well behaved. Her buddy another lab is 7 and they have always gotten along great. Then a few years ago we got yet another rescue lab and never had a single problem between any of them. Then came the great dane. He's not a dominant dog and my female will bit him every once in awhile for no apparent reason and usually when I'm not around. I hear him screaming and come out to find her letting go. she has done this a few times once landing him at the vet for stitches on his face. The vet said it was a warning fight and she didn't try to kill him or anything. Today she got him again. He has multiple bite marks on the meaty part of all four legs and now my skinny, picky dane won't eat. Anything off makes him not eat. Usually they play well together and food is not the issue since they are separated to eat. How do I discipline her when I don't actually catch her in the act? She's a smart dog and seems to hold a grudge. Is there anything I can do about this except separate them permanently?
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I have an 8 year old lab/chow spayed female. I've had her since she was a puppy and she's always been a great dog. She's always been "my" dog. She's normally very very well behaved. Her buddy another lab is 7 and they have always gotten along great. Then a few years ago we got yet another rescue lab and never had a single problem between any of them. Then came the great dane. He's not a dominant dog and my female will bit him every once in awhile for no apparent reason and usually when I'm not around. I hear him screaming and come out to find her letting go. she has done this a few times once landing him at the vet for stitches on his face. The vet said it was a warning fight and she didn't try to kill him or anything. Today she got him again. He has multiple bite marks on the meaty part of all four legs and now my skinny, picky dane won't eat. Anything off makes him not eat. Usually they play well together and food is not the issue since they are separated to eat. How do I discipline her when I don't actually catch her in the act? She's a smart dog and seems to hold a grudge. Is there anything I can do about this except separate them permanently?
I would start baby gating places. With her with you so that you can see her at all times....Or get a leash and attach it to your belt loop. The baby gates work better because you can see without her knowing you are in control. When the danes wonders over and your girl gets upset the bites at him, you can react. JMO, but this is what I did with my pit and my dane and it worked very well.
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That sounds like a good idea. I have never had that problem so I am at a loss as to how to help you. Sorry that you have to deal with this though.
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She is jealous- SERIOUSLY jealous and they wont do it in front of you - they KNOW better- my inlaws are having the same problem- pitmix vs malamute- pit mix is winning-it drew blood- but it has to be NIPPED in the bud or your dog will do it worse- which it seems is happening-

Baby gates -GREAT IDEA- Leash on belt -EVEN BETTER- what you need to watch for when she is around you is the "evil" eye- you have to be VERY DELIGENT to catch her before it happens- if she starts to eve LOOK at the dane- poke her in the neck NOT HARD - just to get her attention- should help- and at feeding time - SHE GETS FED FIRST - let her finish if at all possible then feed the others-

she may just want all your attention on her and maybe since he (the dane) is a rescue , maybe he doesnt have proper manners in her eyes? You never know maybe he is giving her the evil eye, that you cant see and he is in turn
starting it-

Its really hard to tell with out seeing them in action- with my inlaws, I have to take more forceful action with the pit because she does it BECAUSE of me- she wants to have my full attention- If I pet the other dog before her OH LORDY theres a fight and I have to grab the dog by the collar and force her to the ground on her side (not hard though) - since its routine at this point she submits very quickly and will listen the rest of the night- She just has to be reminded - silly dog- love her , but she is such a goober-

I hope you get some good help and hopefully it works out for you- if push comes to shove - try and rehome the dane maybe it just wasn't meant to be that they get along- dont know just giving you some ideas- HOPEFULLY they will get along!

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Old 08-26-2008, 06:09 AM  
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Find the web site for Dog Whisperer. He is great. Sounds like she is boss dog in her eyes. She is putting him in his place for something he did that she sees as not good doggy behavior. You need to make sure she knows YOU are pack leader. I have always had 3-6 dogs at all times. If you don't let each one know that you are in charge, it can become a free for all. For the time being, I would keep them both in my sight at all times. When you have to leave, seperate them. He may get tired of her and bite back, which would not be good.
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In my experience, you will need to observe this mix of dogs, you need to watch the aggressive/dominate dogs behaviors.....when that dog starts to make a move to the passive dog(starts) you need to give a sharpe "NO". You need to be on-step ahead of the behavior. make the aggressive dog, lay still.

Donot reward or baby talk the dogs.

I have 6 large breed dogs, from Dobermans, GSDs, Masfit and Pitbulls. They all live in harmony, and I rule the pack

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I'd agree with the jealousy assessment.

Sometimes critters (aniimal and human) will get into a cycle of bad behavior because it gets rewarded with attention. Bad attention gets to be as good as good attention. What you want to do is to make sure you are giving sufficient attention and reward when she is behaving well, and make sure to NOT give too much attention when she's not behaving well.

Try to make some time each day, even if it's only 2 minutes, to give your biter personal one-on-one attention wthout the other dogs around. If she were a horse, I'd say give her a job to do. But if you start giving her that positive one-on-one time, the jealousy may start to fade.

Then when you do catch her in the act, or even close, her punishment should be to ignore her. If there is blood drawn, you will necessarily have to fuss over the dane for a while. Make sure she sees all that love and attention he gets, and do not respond to her at all. If you're lucky, she may even come over to "help" and sniff around and see what's going on. If\when she does that, put her outside, in another room, anywhere else. Do this without emotion, just simply moving her along and out. Don't even talk to her in any voice, and do not be too rough or punishing. Do your best to keep your attitude as even and emotionless as possible. Just grab her by the collar and send her out. Your goal is 100% lack of attention.
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I just got a new 9 month old St. Bernard...and my 4 year old St. Bernard mix was horrible to him...for about a week. There was a lot of noise...and they are BIG DOGS...but there never was any blood. I really wasn't sure I would keep the puppy. They got over it by themselves and now we have our happy, peaceful, home back.

They didn't fight when no one else was around...they only fought when my husband was around as the older dog was very jealous.

When my old Aussie mix female was young...she ruled the roost...and the other dogs learned to stay away from her. I'm surprised your dane doesn't just stay away...he must be challenging the other one somehow. And it's interesting that your dogs are specifically fighting when no one is around. Hmmmm.

Check it out...I bet the dane is doing some challenging.
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Any updates? How are they getting along now?
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They seem fine the dane has gotten over it and isn't seriously injured. She never does this in front of me and only does it once every six months or so. The dane is my skinny, picky guy so I'm constantly giving him attention and he gets fed several times a day. I agree my mix is jealous so I'm trying to take her places just the 2 of us and give her more individual attention. I really haven't been giving her enough attention lately, and when I don't she tends not to seek me out as much and kind of does her own thing. So I'm going to try to keep her happy. She loves to ride in the car so I'm taking her on little errands.
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Oh good.. that should help. also like I (think I ?) said.. try and feed her FIRST- just to help keep the rank- My PYR gets jealous over me petting my bichon- so I have to keep her back to pet him. silly dogs.. but.. it helps to give them one on one time. He gets his time on the couch during tv, and she is put outside, then vice versa- it gives them special time..? try that with the baby gate? But let her see you do it ie: attention on him but only AFTER she has had her time with you.. should help at least a lil bit..

but glad they are getting along..
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It's the pecking order and she's boss dog. Somebody has to be and apparently it isn't you so you're going to have to take that away from her. Perhaps she needs some good walks and discipline on the leash to reinforce the word "no". I got an older chi who started getting aggressive with visitors as she had before I got her. She's so darned cute one wants to pick her up and hold her but instead she got a little bump on the ribs and a sharp "no". The bump was to make sure I got her attention. The next time it was a little bump behind her butt with my foot and a sharp "no". This has pretty much curbed the aggression and now she barks very little. And she's a happier dog cause I'm the boss.
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Do you want her to be 2nd in charge after you? If yes, then feed her first and so on. Otherwise, feed her last, pet her last...I would alternate the dogs on the leash on my beltloop to get a good sense of who is doing what to whom and to see what the real pecking order is...you might be surprised. Good luck.
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In regards to the feeding- since it SOUNDS like ( dont know, am not there, but have dealt with it MANY times) - Jealousy- meaning the oldest pack member - her first dog , wasnt getting as much attention as the newest (the dane) - she needs to re-install the rank- Dane needs to know that just because he was getting some extra attention (that he may not have had before), that doesnt mean he gets to be top- He could have come from a situation that didnt have other dogs and he is learning the ropes and her main dog is teaching it to him. So he needs to learn his place and the other needs to be loved on a little bit more. So feeding in rank- oldest-calmest most balanced first- (which sounds like the 1st dog was/ and will become again) then so on and so on.. but also the leash thing is a great idea- just to keep the peace and to see EXACTLY who is "starting it".. But since food is a great motivator- I saw try that first but do the leash also .....
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Do you want her to be 2nd in charge after you? If yes, then feed her first and so on. Otherwise, feed her last, pet her last...I would alternate the dogs on the leash on my beltloop to get a good sense of who is doing what to whom and to see what the real pecking order is...you might be surprised. Good luck.
Oh this is sooo true. If you are to be the leader in the house, you control all the feeding moving around everything. You have to be the one and only in control there should be no co-pilot in this situation!!! A lady I do agility used to have 3 intact males in the house with females and there was never any fighting even if a female was in heat and whether or not she was in the room or even home. They knew she was the boss and accepted it. It wasn't always that way but though lots of repetition and reinforcing this it came to be. These dogs knew that fighting was just not acceptable for any reason.

Feed, play with, pet your dogs in any order. None is more special than another and you are the only one with disciplining authority and that is the end of it. If one of your dogs tries to over rule you take it up with that dog by removing them and gaining control of the situation again.

Does your dane provoke the behavior at all? My oldest dog is sometimes grumpy but my puppy (1.5 years old) with provoke her into reacting and that isn't the older dogs fault. She gives her fair warning before biting. My puppy thinks she can get away with this at times but it doesn't usually work. Maybe it has nothing to do with this but it is a thought!
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My mix gets fed 2x a day and they are all separated to eat and she does get fed first. However, the dane gets fed several times a day as he needs lots of small meals. He's a rescue and the most picky eater but he's always fed alone. I could try the leash thing but my dogs have our entire property to run on and they are all very trained to voice commands. The problem is she does this once every 6 months or so and when I'm not around. This last time I happened to step outside during the middle of it and heard him cry. The dane is very very spoiled and I've been trying to give him less attention and her more and she does seem happier. Right now if I have to leave for a moment I put them all in their pens so there is no interaction while I'm away. I do think my "second" dog might be part of the problem. I've always thought he's all bark and no bite and he growls at the dane. I think he's intimidated by the dane's size and so he growls and tries to put his head taller than the danes in a dominating position. My dane always obeys the second. I'm now wondering if the second doesn't start it though. I've been trying to give him more attention as well. He's always been such a friendly guy to people but not good with dogs he doesn't know. However my third lab has never even had one of the others so much as growl at him.
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It's harder for you too because the dane is a rescue.

Food and fighting for food, is a big issue for some dogs that are rescued. They have been through a lot and the dane may have had to scrap or fight for what little food there was to just survive another day.

Hopefully the 'new dog' change and dominance flip is over and each dog will accept the change. The growling by the chow dog is a concern, this says that the dane is still giving the eye or whatever and the chow is worried over it. I would also be worried about if push comes to shove the dane doesn't fight and fight hard with a human over something aswell.

Train them both and have fun with them seperate like you are doing. I'd feed them seperate aswell, to try to avoid a food fight. Hope the worse is over and the fighting is done. Good luck.
edited a bit cause I miss read and thought it was the dane going after the chow, sorry..anyways your older dogs will soon get used to the new big young guy and hope he learns that they won't hurt him again. I don't blame him for being scared.

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Just to toss out another possibility ..

I'm guessing your girl is spayed .. even still it could be hormonally driven. If you have no problems the six months (or so) between events then it may be she's just got a bit of doggy PMS and this boy gets on her last nerve.

If your other boy growls at the dane and she's alpha then she'll "tune up" the lowest member of the pack, regardless of who's right or wrong.

I've been breeding show dogs for over 30 years and can tell when one of my girls is coming into season even before there's any sign of it. She is so cranky and often mock attacks one of the less dominent girls. Heaven help me if a boy accidently gets out with the girls, she hates them all ... until she's ready to be bred then it's all sweetness and love.

Definitely keep the feedings separate but I'd be doing some sit/stay lessons when feeding the alpha girl. Make her sit a few moments before being allowed to eat. This is one sure fire way to assert your authority without getting into a big debate about it. In a pack situation the alpha controls the food until they're sated and then allows the lower ranking dogs to eat. It works like a charm in most cases.

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thanks. she is spayed but has been known to try and hump other dogs. She does get kind of moody. I'll have to keep that in mind.
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