Brindling in labs? Anyone seen this before?

Saelym · 08-16-2008, 11:19 PM

We just recently discovered that Bruno (as dubbed by his new owners) has weird, lighter fur on his paws and face. I did some research, and found out that it is called 'brindling' and is uncommon but not unheard of. We did a closer examination, and Bruno has it! He has tan eyebrows (like a rottie) and streaks of tan on his paws and face. His two brothers and one of his sisters have it too, but not as prominent as Bruno's. It's not really visible from pictures, but you can see it clear as day in real life. I took some pictures anyways.

Both of his parents are purebred Labs, we own them both. Amber (mom) is Chocolate and Atlas (dad) is Silver. Neither show any brindling.

Back feet.

Back foot.

Front feet.

Tan eyebrows.

Whole puppy. (not really visible)

Can anyone else see it, or am I imagining things?

Has anyone ever had a Labrador with brindling? Please share pictures and experiences!

AlbertaGirl · 08-16-2008, 11:37 PM

WOW - what a handsome little bugger!!! Too cute

As for the brindling, I can see it in the pictures - very neat, but I don't know anything about it in Labs myself. I wonder if it may be a puppy coat thing? It looks like it might be there to stay though; hope you get adult pictures of him from the new owners to see what happens!

tallyho · 08-17-2008, 05:11 PM

My senior choc lab had it, too, but since we've only had him about 6 months, I thought maybe it was an age thing, or he is a "summer blonde". Cool.......i'll have to get pics

BabyMay · 08-17-2008, 06:12 PM

What a cutie. Makes me want another one. I have never heard nor seen that in Labs. It is visible to me. I can't wait to see pictures as he grows older. I bet it gets more pronounced.

cook1745 · 08-17-2008, 06:21 PM

I have saw that before. It might fade away with age, OR, it might stay, but probably not become more prominant.

He is a CUTE little thing!!!

hawk · 08-17-2008, 07:41 PM

There is not such thing as a "silver" lab. its a dilution of the chocolate gene that causes the dog to express the "silvering". There are only three recognized colors in Labradors. A white spot on the chest is permissible. NO other colors are recognized. However, other colors can, and do, occur. Brindling, black and tan, dilution of the chocolate gene which gives a chocolate a gray (or silver) appearance. These colors are a disqualifying fault, and are incorrect for the breed.

Hence, its not your pups are not a true "brindle" pup, just a dilution of the chocolate gene from his dam's side[since father is chocolate diluted silver].

Labrador genotype is sorta hard to get a finger on, but eventually you will get what the dilution and crossbreeding of color labs produce.

Saelym · 08-17-2008, 08:51 PM

Hawk - I think you will find that Silver Labradors are a touchy subject for many. Yes, I know that it is a dilution of the Chocolate colouring, and both our Silvers are registered as Chocolate for the reason that AKC and CKC do not recognize Silver.

It is not considered crossbreeding. Both our Silvers are registered with the CKC and the AKC.

I did some more research, and Bruno is a true brindle pup. It is called a 'mismark' in Labradors, along with the black and tans, white spots, and the very neat looking 'mosaic' colouring.

Thank you everyone for the nice comments, we think he is handsome little devil as well! (as do his delighted new owners!) They are thrilled with him and cannot wait to get him home. They have agreed to send pictures of him as he grows, so we will be able to see his brindling when he older as well.

hawk · 08-17-2008, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saelym

I did some more research, and Bruno is a true brindle pup. It is called a 'mismark' in Labradors, along with the black and tans, white spots, and the very neat looking 'mosaic' colouring.

Yes, this website tells the same thing

[http://trinitylabstexas.com/understa...red-labrador/] and clearly, you are correct on his brindling marks named "mismark"

Anyways, he's cute as a button

Saelym · 08-17-2008, 09:29 PM

There seems to be alot of bashing going about on that website about Silver Labradors. We think they are beautiful and many agree with us. Many breeders of Yellow, Chocolate, and Black Labradors do not like Silvers and say they are 'impure', which is false.

Anyways, thank you, he's certainly adorable isn't he.

kshnooks · 08-17-2008, 10:17 PM

what a cutie batootie!! Something about little puppies..*sigh*

ETA:I just looked up a pic of a silver lab (I've never heard of them until this thread) and recognized or not by breed standards, they are gorgeous! Their coloring reminds me of a Weimeriner (sp?)

Gotta Love Duns · 08-17-2008, 10:22 PM

I have never seen it before but it is clear as day in the pictures!

hawk · 08-17-2008, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kshnooks

Their coloring reminds me of a Weimeriner (sp?)

Well, some are thinking thats what caused the "silver" gene to be passed onto the labradors - the inter/crossbreeding of dogs to create a "different" colour, ( some bad breeders call "rare" to make more money when really they are not rare, they are just a "defect" of color genotype) and one of those dogs crossed in the labs is the weimaraner, then bred back to a lab to get more % of lab then the other breed of dog and then the litter being bred to other labs to finish off the the dog being a 100% lab by dna[based on my thinking]. There's a lot of theories, and no one knows the exact foundation of where the silver gene came from - we just go by textbooks/websites to give us the idea's on how the genetic module of certain genes is made up of in the breed....but there is no right/wrong, its just hypothesis and notes....

Saelym · 08-17-2008, 11:23 PM

Their colour could indeed be compared to the Weimeraner. Sage has an odd, darker grey stripe down her back, while her sides are much more silvery. Atlas has chocolate tips on his chest and back hairs, so you can definatley see the chocolate influence. I will have to get some better pictures of the parents one of these days and post them!

Sunlei · 08-18-2008, 09:32 PM

There is a new DNA test or the akc will do genetic testing on contested registration papers. Your dogs are lovely, no matter their color. They look like labs to me.

Here is the akc breed standard. It discusses the allowed colors, also brindle is mentioned, as well as eye color. There is not a place on the registration papers for these colors because they don't expect breeders to register them as the wrong color.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/labrador_retriever/index.cfm

hawk · 08-18-2008, 10:03 PM

yup, the AKC does DNA Swabbings for dogs/pups that are registered with the club.
http://www.akc.org/dna/index.cfm

I didnt know that your dog had to be registered within the AKC in order to get a DNA test- my dog had registered litter on the AKC application, but we opt-out to send in the money to fully register her because we didnt breed/show, so why register if thats mainly the point? -
but her parents are all well-bred akc champions and g'parents etc.

The reason why I wanted to get her DNA'd was because she has a "blue/black" fade on her head - she would be registered as Black/White by her breeder, but I think she is uniquely coloured. Never seen "blue fade" on a cocker spaniel

Anyways, either if you DNA or not, the pup is a lab - just a mistake colour

Saelym · 08-18-2008, 10:20 PM

I don't think that the owners care, so there is no need for genetic testing. Both parents are purebred Labs, and so Bruno is too. He is Chocolate - just with brindling.

A J · 08-21-2008, 01:17 PM

I know nothing about lab coloring genetics, but I can say that he sure is cute and unique!

samtom · 08-21-2008, 01:27 PM

I don't know a thing about the coloring, but I do know your puppies are simply beautiful. Esp. the silver ones.

Saelym · 08-21-2008, 02:37 PM

Thank you!

ahlihaff · 08-24-2008, 05:45 PM

He is absolutely precious. Looks like he has highlighting.

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08-16-2008, 11:19 PM
Saelym Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: Courtenay, B.C. Posts: 2,206	Brindling in labs? Anyone seen this before? We just recently discovered that Bruno (as dubbed by his new owners) has weird, lighter fur on his paws and face. I did some research, and found out that it is called 'brindling' and is uncommon but not unheard of. We did a closer examination, and Bruno has it! He has tan eyebrows (like a rottie) and streaks of tan on his paws and face. His two brothers and one of his sisters have it too, but not as prominent as Bruno's. It's not really visible from pictures, but you can see it clear as day in real life. I took some pictures anyways. Both of his parents are purebred Labs, we own them both. Amber (mom) is Chocolate and Atlas (dad) is Silver. Neither show any brindling. Back feet. Back foot. Front feet. Tan eyebrows. Whole puppy. (not really visible) Can anyone else see it, or am I imagining things? Has anyone ever had a Labrador with brindling? Please share pictures and experiences! __________________ Forever in my heart. Miss Achievement-- May 10th, 1993 - November 7th, 2008.

08-16-2008, 11:37 PM
AlbertaGirl Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 3,307	WOW - what a handsome little bugger!!! Too cute As for the brindling, I can see it in the pictures - very neat, but I don't know anything about it in Labs myself. I wonder if it may be a puppy coat thing? It looks like it might be there to stay though; hope you get adult pictures of him from the new owners to see what happens! __________________ Some people say horses don't have a sense of humor... they obviously haven't met mine yet ;o)

08-17-2008, 05:11 PM
tallyho Long Yearling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Trappe, PA Posts: 1,115	My senior choc lab had it, too, but since we've only had him about 6 months, I thought maybe it was an age thing, or he is a "summer blonde". Cool.......i'll have to get pics

08-17-2008, 06:12 PM
BabyMay Coming two Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,890	What a cutie. Makes me want another one. I have never heard nor seen that in Labs. It is visible to me. I can't wait to see pictures as he grows older. I bet it gets more pronounced.

08-17-2008, 06:21 PM
cook1745 Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,501	I have saw that before. It might fade away with age, OR, it might stay, but probably not become more prominant. He is a CUTE little thing!!! __________________ Home of my sweet girl Cinnamon. Not fancy but she is mine!!!

08-17-2008, 07:41 PM
hawk Halter broke Join Date: May 2008 Location: brampton Posts: 177	There is not such thing as a "silver" lab. its a dilution of the chocolate gene that causes the dog to express the "silvering". There are only three recognized colors in Labradors. A white spot on the chest is permissible. NO other colors are recognized. However, other colors can, and do, occur. Brindling, black and tan, dilution of the chocolate gene which gives a chocolate a gray (or silver) appearance. These colors are a disqualifying fault, and are incorrect for the breed. Hence, its not your pups are not a true "brindle" pup, just a dilution of the chocolate gene from his dam's side[since father is chocolate diluted silver]. Labrador genotype is sorta hard to get a finger on, but eventually you will get what the dilution and crossbreeding of color labs produce.

08-17-2008, 08:51 PM
Saelym Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: Courtenay, B.C. Posts: 2,206	Hawk - I think you will find that Silver Labradors are a touchy subject for many. Yes, I know that it is a dilution of the Chocolate colouring, and both our Silvers are registered as Chocolate for the reason that AKC and CKC do not recognize Silver. It is not considered crossbreeding. Both our Silvers are registered with the CKC and the AKC. I did some more research, and Bruno is a true brindle pup. It is called a 'mismark' in Labradors, along with the black and tans, white spots, and the very neat looking 'mosaic' colouring. Thank you everyone for the nice comments, we think he is handsome little devil as well! (as do his delighted new owners!) They are thrilled with him and cannot wait to get him home. They have agreed to send pictures of him as he grows, so we will be able to see his brindling when he older as well. __________________ Forever in my heart. Miss Achievement-- May 10th, 1993 - November 7th, 2008. Last edited by Saelym : 08-17-2008 at 08:53 PM.

08-17-2008, 09:29 PM
Saelym Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: Courtenay, B.C. Posts: 2,206	There seems to be alot of bashing going about on that website about Silver Labradors. We think they are beautiful and many agree with us. Many breeders of Yellow, Chocolate, and Black Labradors do not like Silvers and say they are 'impure', which is false. Anyways, thank you, he's certainly adorable isn't he. __________________ Forever in my heart. Miss Achievement-- May 10th, 1993 - November 7th, 2008.

08-17-2008, 10:17 PM
kshnooks Coming two Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,863	what a cutie batootie!! Something about little puppies..sigh ETA:I just looked up a pic of a silver lab (I've never heard of them until this thread) and recognized or not by breed standards, they are gorgeous! Their coloring reminds me of a Weimeriner (sp?) Last edited by kshnooks : 08-17-2008 at 10:19 PM.

08-17-2008, 10:22 PM
Gotta Love Duns Bombproof Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dixonville, Alberta Posts: 7,933	I have never seen it before but it is clear as day in the pictures! __________________ A penny saved is a penny you can spend on your next horse.

08-17-2008, 11:23 PM
Saelym Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: Courtenay, B.C. Posts: 2,206	Their colour could indeed be compared to the Weimeraner. Sage has an odd, darker grey stripe down her back, while her sides are much more silvery. Atlas has chocolate tips on his chest and back hairs, so you can definatley see the chocolate influence. I will have to get some better pictures of the parents one of these days and post them! __________________ Forever in my heart. Miss Achievement-- May 10th, 1993 - November 7th, 2008.

08-18-2008, 09:32 PM
Sunlei Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 950	There is a new DNA test or the akc will do genetic testing on contested registration papers. Your dogs are lovely, no matter their color. They look like labs to me. Here is the akc breed standard. It discusses the allowed colors, also brindle is mentioned, as well as eye color. There is not a place on the registration papers for these colors because they don't expect breeders to register them as the wrong color. http://www.akc.org/breeds/labrador_retriever/index.cfm

08-18-2008, 10:03 PM
hawk Halter broke Join Date: May 2008 Location: brampton Posts: 177	yup, the AKC does DNA Swabbings for dogs/pups that are registered with the club. http://www.akc.org/dna/index.cfm I didnt know that your dog had to be registered within the AKC in order to get a DNA test- my dog had registered litter on the AKC application, but we opt-out to send in the money to fully register her because we didnt breed/show, so why register if thats mainly the point? - but her parents are all well-bred akc champions and g'parents etc. The reason why I wanted to get her DNA'd was because she has a "blue/black" fade on her head - she would be registered as Black/White by her breeder, but I think she is uniquely coloured. Never seen "blue fade" on a cocker spaniel Anyways, either if you DNA or not, the pup is a lab - just a mistake colour

08-18-2008, 10:20 PM
Saelym Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: Courtenay, B.C. Posts: 2,206	I don't think that the owners care, so there is no need for genetic testing. Both parents are purebred Labs, and so Bruno is too. He is Chocolate - just with brindling. __________________ Forever in my heart. Miss Achievement-- May 10th, 1993 - November 7th, 2008.

08-21-2008, 01:17 PM
A J Greenbroke Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vallejo, CA Posts: 3,353	I know nothing about lab coloring genetics, but I can say that he sure is cute and unique! __________________ Try not, do. Do or do not. There is no try.

08-21-2008, 01:27 PM
samtom Yearling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 749	I don't know a thing about the coloring, but I do know your puppies are simply beautiful. Esp. the silver ones.

08-21-2008, 02:37 PM
Saelym Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: Courtenay, B.C. Posts: 2,206	Thank you! __________________ Forever in my heart. Miss Achievement-- May 10th, 1993 - November 7th, 2008.

08-24-2008, 05:45 PM
ahlihaff Greenbroke Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Western MA Posts: 3,635	He is absolutely precious. Looks like he has highlighting.