Lab Breeder Vent

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 07:53 PM

ya im just venting here....but we got a yellow lab puppy 5 months old about 2 weeks ago. We bring it home and the puppy is absolutely petrified of everything even people...she is slowly accepting us as trustworthy people...she shys away from everything and everyone.....she is very EXTREMELY distructive with everything...we put her in her crate and she rips and tears everything.....pees and poops in her cage as soon as she gets in it (even after being outside for hours) and she lays right in it and is such a dirty messy dog....and extremely food greedy.....where she came from she was locked in a barn with 6 other puppies so I cant imagine what the first 5 months of her life were like. I contacted the breeder and asked her if I could return the puppy and get a fraction of the price I paid for her back....she emailed and basically told me I was inexperienced and that it wasnt the puppies fault
I continued to ask her if she would refund my money and she went on to say Yes....but now im trying to make arrangements to deliver her back to the lady and she cant seem to find the time to be at home

suspicious to me.....i think.....what should I do in a situation like this?

Oran'sMom · 07-29-2007, 07:58 PM

Maybe you should try keeping the dog a little longer...it sounds like a backyard breeder which is never a good situation my opinnion try to give it more time. it is just a puppy and that is never easy, but is could turn out to be rewarding in the end.

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 08:00 PM

its just so frustrating as when we put the puppy in her crate...she barks and barks like literally all night...we have resorted to putting her in our basement in her crate with a radio on as she will not stop unless she is with us....and I feel bad for her but she has to learn to accept being in a crate and away from us

TxHorseMom · 07-29-2007, 08:03 PM

How far away from you is she? Could you just show up with the puppy? Theres also small claims court. If you file against her (it's relatively cheap) she may just decide to be home.

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 08:06 PM

she is only about 40 minutes from me...i offered to bring her back tonight...but she said no ....then she went on to say she would be away tomorrow also

She has to give me $400 so im thinking that maybe she doesnt have the money on hand right now

Carri · 07-29-2007, 08:09 PM

What a tough situation! It sounds like she was really not introduced to much.
I think you should go back and get another puppy for company, and most of the bad behaviour will stop- She will not be so lonely any more!!

Just kidding, of course!! I just want you to go rescue all of them from there.

We are in a similar situation, I just got a dachsund puppy who is not quite a year old, used to living in a kennel outside with several other puppies. He had never seen stairs, glass doors, or KIDS! He has no idea what to do with all of the commotion in our house. I have thought about taking him back just because I don't want him to be miserable, but I think he will adjust in time. He is the same way, he destroys any bedding I put in his crate, and goes to the bathroom everywhere. And of course, it is a catch-22, if you put bedding in the crate he will destroy it, if not, he just rolls around in his pee and poop.
I have decided to hang in there and assume he will adjust.

How long have you had her? Sorry if I missed it... She should stop crying at night soon, the potty training will likely take longer since she is not used to being made to keep her "den" clean. Same with my new one, he thinks if he doesn't just use the bathroom where he is he will not get the chance. I am hoping in time he will figure it out.

Oran'sMom · 07-29-2007, 08:09 PM

If the puppy can not stand to be away from you i have heard of methods of putting old clothes that smell like you in her crate for comfort. Just a thought so you dont have to go through all the hassel...you could try that for a bit...also of you go to perfinder.com there are a lot of dog experts there you could post a bulletin or something im sure their imformation would be of more help....

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 08:14 PM

I have had him for 2 weeks ...and me and bf are going on limited hours of sleep....

I do have a chocolate lab that is company for her.....but I feel as though im punishing the chocolate lab as she is used to sleeping with us and now shes in the basement....so she definately isnt left alone....but even with the other dog in the same room with her she continues to bark and howl and demolish everything in sight including her dog dishes and all her toys and a blanket in her crate with her are all ripped to shreds.

I have considered selling her outright and I have a link to her ad...but have had no hits or even inquiries on her. I paid $600 for this darn dog and im willing to let her go for $400 I would even deliver her within a 2 hour radius

here is a link to her ad

http://www.rooneyfeeds.com/cgi-bin/s...3b2e1 514e63a

pvf · 07-29-2007, 08:16 PM

OK I don't agree that its the breeders fault. The dog is a puppy. Puppy's bark and chew on things. Yes, they will cry all night its part of being a puppy. Pooping and peeing in a kennel is normal for a puppy. Some puppies take longer than others to adjust to there new home and new people.

How is this the breeders fault?

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 08:18 PM

sorry PVF im not blaming the breeder for this fault.....this puppy is just extremely distructive and dirty. Most breeders will take puppies back if the puppy isnt a good fit or doesnt work out for their new owners....breeders take pride in their puppies. I am upset because i am trying to make the arrangements to take the puppy back and get a refund on my money...and shes avoiding me by saying shes not going to be at home.

sherriawright · 07-29-2007, 08:20 PM

Ya! Finally a subject I can help with. I have trained dogs in dog obedience and have been an instructor in obedience for the last 12 years. I have shown and won many trials with my labs. First off, the socialazation period is basically the first 12 to 14 weeks of life, after that, you are pretty much screwed. You can get them adjusted and alright with your family, but that is pretty much it. At this point, you have a dog with a lot of baggage that you have to overcome, but be thankful it's a lab. A fearful dog only has two objections, run or bite and labs normally run.

As for the destruction, well, that is typical lab behavior. I had a puppy actually eat the siding off the side of the house!! I am currently battling with my year old lab that the grill is NOT a chew toy and no matter how many times she chews it up, it will not produce steaks for her!! Labs chew, chew, and chew some more, oh ya, did I tell you that labs chew? Get them a good chew toy, a kong, nylabone or something like that. Do NOT leave them unattended or they will chew you out of house and home.

When she barks, do NOT let her out of her kennel, if you do, you just rewarded her bad behavior. She MUST be quiet before you let her out, even if it's for a second.

I really, really hate for you to send her back and I doubt you'll get your money back. She is basically a puppy mill breeder, not a backyard breeder. A backyard breeder is someone who just breeds cause they have a lab and think they can make some money. She's the type who breeds and breeds, doesn't do anything with the parents or the puppies and just pawns her unsocialized messes off on other people.

If I can be of any help, please let me know.

Sherr

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oran'sMom

If the puppy can not stand to be away from you i have heard of methods of putting old clothes that smell like you in her crate for comfort. Just a thought so you dont have to go through all the hassel...you could try that for a bit...also of you go to perfinder.com there are a lot of dog experts there you could post a bulletin or something im sure their imformation would be of more help....

Thanks for the advice I will give that a try.

beezwing · 07-29-2007, 08:20 PM

yes, those are all puppy traits, but what worries me is the unsocialized behavior and fear reactions

then again some pups are just harder then others.

I follow this program with my pups

It may be something to look into if you are ever getting another pup.

k

Oran'sMom · 07-29-2007, 08:21 PM

i also say it not the breeders fault....you have to have extra patience for a puppy...they are hard work...no one said it would be easy. but you have not really given this puppy much time to adjust to you or your surroundings...there are ways to train it, but it wont be easy...patience is the key....

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherriawright

Ya! Finally a subject I can help with. I have trained dogs in dog obedience and have been an instructor in obedience for the last 12 years. I have shown and won many trials with my labs. First off, the socialazation period is basically the first 12 to 14 weeks of life, after that, you are pretty much screwed. You can get them adjusted and alright with your family, but that is pretty much it. At this point, you have a dog with a lot of baggage that you have to overcome, but be thankful it's a lab. A fearful dog only has two objections, run or bite and labs normally run.

As for the destruction, well, that is typical lab behavior. I had a puppy actually eat the siding off the side of the house!! I am currently battling with my year old lab that the grill is NOT a chew toy and no matter how many times she chews it up, it will not produce steaks for her!! Labs chew, chew, and chew some more, oh ya, did I tell you that labs chew? Get them a good chew toy, a kong, nylabone or something like that. Do NOT leave them unattended or they will chew you out of house and home.

When she barks, do NOT let her out of her kennel, if you do, you just rewarded her bad behavior. She MUST be quiet before you let her out, even if it's for a second.

I really, really hate for you to send her back and I doubt you'll get your money back. She is basically a puppy mill breeder, not a backyard breeder. A backyard breeder is someone who just breeds cause they have a lab and think they can make some money. She's the type who breeds and breeds, doesn't do anything with the parents or the puppies and just pawns her unsocialized messes off on other people.

If I can be of any help, please let me know.

Sherr

Thanks for all your advice...Its greatly appreciated. This poor puppy was locked in a barn with 6 other puppies and the ONLY reason i took this specific puppy was because she was the only one that would let me pet her without crouching down or yelping in fear.....sad yes....I would sooner keep her but if it doesnt work out maybe I could find her a better home...but like i said I have her listed but no one is responding...this dog can be registered also.

gingerfleguel · 07-29-2007, 08:26 PM

im being very judgemental with this puppy as I have a chocolate lab that was a 'perfect' puppy didnt go through that chewing or whining stage...mind u I got mocha when she was 8 weeks old.....but im always finding myself saying 'Well Mocha never did this' which is bad but its so frustrating

aking · 07-30-2007, 08:51 AM

You paid $600 for a 5 month old, obviously unsocialized puppy!!!! Wow, in Iowa (where I live) the market rate for a 5 month old (well socialized) would be about $100. Two weeks is not a lot of time to allow for adjustment, but if you really think that you cannot make it work with this dog, I would consider lowering your price.

pvf · 07-30-2007, 08:57 AM

We have taken in other peoples dogs that have been worse than this puppy, they can be trained and solialized but its going to take them more than 2 weeks to get used to there new surroundings. Some can take a few months. The more that you work with the better off they will be.

KatieMae · 07-30-2007, 09:06 AM

I bought an 8 week old lab puppy, for $100. The lady (who breeds Appaloosas as well) sold her cheap because she had white on her chest, making her a non breeding desirable dog... She was cute, very unsocialized, and now at 6 months, has a major anxiety issue. When left alone to her own devices, she is a holy terror.. Living in an apartment, she's done more damage than we could imagine... To this day, she's still become destructive... I bought a bottle of Apple bitters to spray on everything, to hopefully keep her from chewing on things (like the walls, and my carpets)...

nrhareiner · 07-30-2007, 09:47 AM

Haveing been a foster home for rescues I have had dogs come in link this. IT does take a lot of work but can be rewarding once you get some impovement. I would sugest a puppy class with a certified instructor. THis is a good way to socalized the pup with someone that should know what they are doing and can costomize a program for your pups needs. I can say what I have done however each dog has been differnt in what was needed.

Also this is whay I prefer when I am buying a pup to get them at 6 weeks. You will have people who say that is too young but at that point they are weaned and getting around well. I want them to be well socalized with other dogs and people and I have found over the years this is the best age to do so with certain procaustions do to imunes issues of corse.

Heidi

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07-29-2007, 07:53 PM
gingerfleguel Kid Safe Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,494	Lab Breeder Vent ya im just venting here....but we got a yellow lab puppy 5 months old about 2 weeks ago. We bring it home and the puppy is absolutely petrified of everything even people...she is slowly accepting us as trustworthy people...she shys away from everything and everyone.....she is very EXTREMELY distructive with everything...we put her in her crate and she rips and tears everything.....pees and poops in her cage as soon as she gets in it (even after being outside for hours) and she lays right in it and is such a dirty messy dog....and extremely food greedy.....where she came from she was locked in a barn with 6 other puppies so I cant imagine what the first 5 months of her life were like. I contacted the breeder and asked her if I could return the puppy and get a fraction of the price I paid for her back....she emailed and basically told me I was inexperienced and that it wasnt the puppies fault I continued to ask her if she would refund my money and she went on to say Yes....but now im trying to make arrangements to deliver her back to the lady and she cant seem to find the time to be at home suspicious to me.....i think.....what should I do in a situation like this?

07-29-2007, 07:58 PM
Oran'sMom Halter broke Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 102	Maybe you should try keeping the dog a little longer...it sounds like a backyard breeder which is never a good situation my opinnion try to give it more time. it is just a puppy and that is never easy, but is could turn out to be rewarding in the end.

07-29-2007, 08:00 PM
gingerfleguel Kid Safe Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,494	its just so frustrating as when we put the puppy in her crate...she barks and barks like literally all night...we have resorted to putting her in our basement in her crate with a radio on as she will not stop unless she is with us....and I feel bad for her but she has to learn to accept being in a crate and away from us

07-29-2007, 08:03 PM
TxHorseMom Greenbroke Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 3,034	How far away from you is she? Could you just show up with the puppy? Theres also small claims court. If you file against her (it's relatively cheap) she may just decide to be home.

07-29-2007, 08:06 PM
gingerfleguel Kid Safe Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,494	she is only about 40 minutes from me...i offered to bring her back tonight...but she said no ....then she went on to say she would be away tomorrow also She has to give me $400 so im thinking that maybe she doesnt have the money on hand right now

07-29-2007, 08:09 PM
Carri Bombproof Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia Posts: 10,615	What a tough situation! It sounds like she was really not introduced to much. I think you should go back and get another puppy for company, and most of the bad behaviour will stop- She will not be so lonely any more!! Just kidding, of course!! I just want you to go rescue all of them from there. We are in a similar situation, I just got a dachsund puppy who is not quite a year old, used to living in a kennel outside with several other puppies. He had never seen stairs, glass doors, or KIDS! He has no idea what to do with all of the commotion in our house. I have thought about taking him back just because I don't want him to be miserable, but I think he will adjust in time. He is the same way, he destroys any bedding I put in his crate, and goes to the bathroom everywhere. And of course, it is a catch-22, if you put bedding in the crate he will destroy it, if not, he just rolls around in his pee and poop. I have decided to hang in there and assume he will adjust. How long have you had her? Sorry if I missed it... She should stop crying at night soon, the potty training will likely take longer since she is not used to being made to keep her "den" clean. Same with my new one, he thinks if he doesn't just use the bathroom where he is he will not get the chance. I am hoping in time he will figure it out. __________________

07-29-2007, 08:14 PM
gingerfleguel Kid Safe Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,494	I have had him for 2 weeks ...and me and bf are going on limited hours of sleep.... I do have a chocolate lab that is company for her.....but I feel as though im punishing the chocolate lab as she is used to sleeping with us and now shes in the basement....so she definately isnt left alone....but even with the other dog in the same room with her she continues to bark and howl and demolish everything in sight including her dog dishes and all her toys and a blanket in her crate with her are all ripped to shreds. I have considered selling her outright and I have a link to her ad...but have had no hits or even inquiries on her. I paid $600 for this darn dog and im willing to let her go for $400 I would even deliver her within a 2 hour radius here is a link to her ad http://www.rooneyfeeds.com/cgi-bin/s...3b2e1 514e63a

07-29-2007, 08:16 PM
pvf Regional Forums Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 6,781	OK I don't agree that its the breeders fault. The dog is a puppy. Puppy's bark and chew on things. Yes, they will cry all night its part of being a puppy. Pooping and peeing in a kennel is normal for a puppy. Some puppies take longer than others to adjust to there new home and new people. How is this the breeders fault? __________________ www.prairieviewfarms.net Raising Reg. Paints and Quarter horses

07-29-2007, 08:18 PM
gingerfleguel Kid Safe Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,494	sorry PVF im not blaming the breeder for this fault.....this puppy is just extremely distructive and dirty. Most breeders will take puppies back if the puppy isnt a good fit or doesnt work out for their new owners....breeders take pride in their puppies. I am upset because i am trying to make the arrangements to take the puppy back and get a refund on my money...and shes avoiding me by saying shes not going to be at home.

07-29-2007, 08:20 PM
sherriawright Weanling Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Pekin, Illinois Posts: 472	Ya! Finally a subject I can help with. I have trained dogs in dog obedience and have been an instructor in obedience for the last 12 years. I have shown and won many trials with my labs. First off, the socialazation period is basically the first 12 to 14 weeks of life, after that, you are pretty much screwed. You can get them adjusted and alright with your family, but that is pretty much it. At this point, you have a dog with a lot of baggage that you have to overcome, but be thankful it's a lab. A fearful dog only has two objections, run or bite and labs normally run. As for the destruction, well, that is typical lab behavior. I had a puppy actually eat the siding off the side of the house!! I am currently battling with my year old lab that the grill is NOT a chew toy and no matter how many times she chews it up, it will not produce steaks for her!! Labs chew, chew, and chew some more, oh ya, did I tell you that labs chew? Get them a good chew toy, a kong, nylabone or something like that. Do NOT leave them unattended or they will chew you out of house and home. When she barks, do NOT let her out of her kennel, if you do, you just rewarded her bad behavior. She MUST be quiet before you let her out, even if it's for a second. I really, really hate for you to send her back and I doubt you'll get your money back. She is basically a puppy mill breeder, not a backyard breeder. A backyard breeder is someone who just breeds cause they have a lab and think they can make some money. She's the type who breeds and breeds, doesn't do anything with the parents or the puppies and just pawns her unsocialized messes off on other people. If I can be of any help, please let me know. Sherr __________________ Illinois, where our Governors make our license plates!

07-29-2007, 08:20 PM
beezwing Coming two Join Date: May 2007 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,856	yes, those are all puppy traits, but what worries me is the unsocialized behavior and fear reactions then again some pups are just harder then others. I follow this program with my pups It may be something to look into if you are ever getting another pup. k

07-29-2007, 08:21 PM
Oran'sMom Halter broke Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 102	i also say it not the breeders fault....you have to have extra patience for a puppy...they are hard work...no one said it would be easy. but you have not really given this puppy much time to adjust to you or your surroundings...there are ways to train it, but it wont be easy...patience is the key....

07-29-2007, 08:26 PM
gingerfleguel Kid Safe Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,494	im being very judgemental with this puppy as I have a chocolate lab that was a 'perfect' puppy didnt go through that chewing or whining stage...mind u I got mocha when she was 8 weeks old.....but im always finding myself saying 'Well Mocha never did this' which is bad but its so frustrating

07-30-2007, 08:51 AM
aking Newborn Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Monroe, Iowa Posts: 24	You paid $600 for a 5 month old, obviously unsocialized puppy!!!! Wow, in Iowa (where I live) the market rate for a 5 month old (well socialized) would be about $100. Two weeks is not a lot of time to allow for adjustment, but if you really think that you cannot make it work with this dog, I would consider lowering your price. __________________ www.puppiestogo.net

07-30-2007, 08:57 AM
pvf Regional Forums Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 6,781	We have taken in other peoples dogs that have been worse than this puppy, they can be trained and solialized but its going to take them more than 2 weeks to get used to there new surroundings. Some can take a few months. The more that you work with the better off they will be. __________________ www.prairieviewfarms.net Raising Reg. Paints and Quarter horses

07-30-2007, 09:06 AM
KatieMae Seasoned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: C.FLA Posts: 4,140	I bought an 8 week old lab puppy, for $100. The lady (who breeds Appaloosas as well) sold her cheap because she had white on her chest, making her a non breeding desirable dog... She was cute, very unsocialized, and now at 6 months, has a major anxiety issue. When left alone to her own devices, she is a holy terror.. Living in an apartment, she's done more damage than we could imagine... To this day, she's still become destructive... I bought a bottle of Apple bitters to spray on everything, to hopefully keep her from chewing on things (like the walls, and my carpets)... __________________ You can only blame your problems on the world for so long Before it all becomes the same old song.

07-30-2007, 09:47 AM
nrhareiner Yearling Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 800	Haveing been a foster home for rescues I have had dogs come in link this. IT does take a lot of work but can be rewarding once you get some impovement. I would sugest a puppy class with a certified instructor. THis is a good way to socalized the pup with someone that should know what they are doing and can costomize a program for your pups needs. I can say what I have done however each dog has been differnt in what was needed. Also this is whay I prefer when I am buying a pup to get them at 6 weeks. You will have people who say that is too young but at that point they are weaned and getting around well. I want them to be well socalized with other dogs and people and I have found over the years this is the best age to do so with certain procaustions do to imunes issues of corse. Heidi __________________ Double Eagle Photography www.doubleeagleph.com Definision of Gun Control: Hiting what you aim at.