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Old 02-23-2007, 08:26 PM  
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Chiuahuhua female AKC looking for teacup AKC Boyfriend-fla

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I have a tan colored female chi. That i bought on Thanksgiving weekend. She's pretty lucky as far as dogs go she gets to go to work with me every day since i work at a boarding kennel. The boss has a wire haired dauch. They play and greet customers together. She's not your typical chi. She's friendly and outgoing. She'll run to anyone who will pick her up. She also has a way of prancing when she walks she sounds like a 50lb dog stomping through the house. Her name is Skylight's Arizona Sun but we just call her Sun. Which confuses a lot of people who think SON. I was originally going to call her Sol the spanish word for sun but people had a hard time saying it right.

Anyways She's 6months old on march 5th. I would like to breed her i'm not sure if i will breed her this year or next year. I'm looking to have puppies to sell for christmas. I'd prefer a chichua. stud that is colorful maybe some white markings. Or all white with spots. Pretty much something other than solid tan. Looking for variety. Sun is not going to be a very big girl so her bf would have to be a teacup. I would prefer one that looks like the taco bell dog. I'm not fond of the huge apple heads and short noses. I'm starting my search early cuz i'd like to have the time to browze and pick and choose. Also must be near Gainesville, Florida.

Let me know if you or someone you know has a stud.
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I thought a dog had to be a bit older to be bred, like around 2 or so because that's when they're considered dogs. Don't quote me for sure though, this is just what I've heard.
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It's best to wait til the dog is atleast 2 years old before she's bred, that's the way a repuatable breeders do it, to make sure she's fully mature and her uterus is fully developed. I also highly suggest you get her tested for certain health issues before breeding too.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:38 PM  
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You need to wait until the dog is 2 years old. and had alll health clerences done witht he certification (not just shots and wormers, actual tests that run a bit of money) Also if yout hink you will make any money off of breeding dogs, you wont. And why would you want to sell them for christas time? Good breeders WONT sell for holidays. Also you should show her to prve she is breed quality.

Why do you want to breed any way?
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:16 PM  
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I've also heard that many chihuahuas, especially when you get into the smaller sized ones, usually have to have c sections to deliver the pups.

While I have very strong feelings about breeding animals, I'm going to try and set them aside for this conversation.

I wouldn't even consider breeding a female before the age of 2. There are many reasons for this, the two most important being the maturity of the dog and the necessary health testing that should be done is usually more accurate after this age.

Chihuahuas are a breed that are prone to many illnesses, some of which are preventable by having good breeding stock. First, you'll have to have a CERF test done for her eyes. This is something that should be done annually on breeding stock. Then, you'll need to have her hips, knees and elbows, OFA certified, as chihuahuas are prone to problems in those areas as well. These tests, depending on your vet, are not cheap, and are only the beginning in a responsible breeding program.

If you're serious about breeding her...SHOW her. PROVE her. Just because you think she's cute and cuddly does not mean she fits the standard of the breed in both conformation and temperament. Trust me, the world has PLENTY of chihuahuas DYING in shelters because there are simply too many of them. Just because an animal has the parts to breed, doesn't mean they deserve to use them for that purpose.

There are health risks involved with breeding. First, anytime you keep a female dog intact (not spayed), you run the risk of her going through false pregnancies after her heat cycles and/or pyometria. Pyometria can and does kill female dogs if not caught in time, and you won't always know until it's too late. Also, studies have shown that having a female dog spayed before her first heat reduces the risk of breast cancer by almost 80%. Breeding dogs can also be infected with a sexually transmitted disease.

Then there's the pregnancy and delivery. Any number of complications can arise and can be life threatening. (Also, I would STRONGLY suggest NOT taking a pregnant female to a boarding kennel. I don't care how clean it is. All it takes is for one dog to come in that's sick and that can spell trouble. I've spent more years than I care to think about working in kennels, so you won't be able to convince me there's not a risk. To try and convince yourself there's no risk is just foolish.) If your female requires a c section to deliver, there's a risk to both her and the puppies. They don't always survive.

If this dog is your constant companion, I would strongly recommend spaying her and enjoying the rest of her life. In the long run, she'll be happier and healthier, and you'll have more money in your purse.
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:53 AM  
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Breeding can be a fun adventure but take it from me it can be an expensive one. Not only is there money involved but also your time. Puppies are very demanding and it starts the day your dog goes in heat.
They don't come out potty trained.

Male dogs mark their territory and believe me they think everything needs to be marked. Your furnishings are no exception. A small boy does not guarantee you small puppies. My Maltese throws some hefty sized boys for being such a little thing himself.

Christmas is the worst time of year to sell your puppies that you have invested both your heart and your wallet in. This is when you get impulse buyers and they aren't your best customers. Not to mention the market is flooded with puppies at that time.

If my calculations are any near correct you won't get Christmas babies. On average a dog goes into her first heat cycle at 9 months. For arguments sake lets say she goes into her first heat on June 5th and her second heat is six months later December 5. You missed the Christmas market and the puppies aren't old enough for the Valentines market. You might get lucky and be able to sell them for Easter but that's when bunnies and chicks are popular so you may run into some competition there.
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:30 PM  
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thanks for the advice.

I already got her knees checked out by a vet and he said they are good. I'm not dead set on having puppies around christmas time. Its just up in the air. I was thinking maybe wait till next year anyways. I'm just casually looking. I'm more into the breeding of show quality mini horses than dogs. I'd only want 1 litter a year i think thats enough. I love the puppies i may even consider keeping a little female puppy.

My boss has been in the AKC for many years he's now 86 years old and showed a wide variety of dogs in his past. He likes Sun and says she'd been a good one to breed providing she gets big enough. She's only around 4.5 lbs now at 6 months I'd like her to be at least 6lbs for breeding. The bigger the female is the less problems deliverying just like the minis.

I'm totally against fixing a registered dog. It would be like having a registered gelding, makes the papers kind of pointless. Might as well have gotten one of the thousand of unregistered animals that need homes. If you show a mare her future babies are worth more if you show a stallion his babies are worth more and stud fee goes up but if you show a gelding he's worth more but in order to get the investment back you'd have to sell him. Personally i'll never buy a gelding. Just me talking

I know a lot of people like geldings and some say that winning with a gelding make his sibblings, dam, or sire more desireable but doesnt do you any good if you dont own any of his relatives.
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RE: Geldings.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, of course, and if you don't want a gelding that's great!

But....

Many many world champion horses have been geldings. A stallion, even with proper training, will often have a hard time focusing on his job and can even become unmanageable. Geldings have better dispositions, making them more trainable. They are gentler, making better children's mounts, but that doesn't mean they can't perform. In my event alone (barrel racing) the big shows are absolutely dominated by good, registered, aged geldings.

And just because an animal is registered doesn't make it breeding quality, and vice versa. Many stallions should have been cut years ago, either because they have bad temperaments or bad conformation.
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Old 02-24-2007, 01:49 PM  
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I'm sorry but just becuase a dog is registerd dosnt mean it should e breed.

Also you say you got the knees checked. A proper exam cant take palce until atleast 2 years old. And not just a look over, a actualy exam done.
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Old 02-24-2007, 01:57 PM  
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I'm totally against fixing a registered dog.
I think there are more problems than just finding a stud.
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:45 PM  
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The AKC means NOTHING. Those papers ARE useless. Hate to break it to you, but I know SEVERAL people who have gotten AKC papers on dogs that weren't even the breed they were registering them as. I also know a breeder that bred a white German Shepherd to an American Eskimo and got papers on the puppies saying they were German Shepherds.

As with horses, papers don't do anything for an animal. Since you mentioned horses, can you ride those papers? No? Then how are they useful? Isn't the whole basis of a GOOD breeding program "quality"? Just because you have a piece of paper saying your dog is purebred doesn't make it worthy of breeding. With the AKC, it doesn't even mean they ARE purebed.

And as it's already been pointed out, an OFA certification on the knees can't be done until the dog is 2 and nearly done growing. But then, you've also got to do the hips and elbows too.

As someone who's spent a few years working a shelter, I can also tell you that MANY of those homeless dogs came to us with AKC, UKC, and CKC papers. Those papers did NOTHING to keep them in homes. Those papers did NOTHING to stop any of them from being put to sleep. You know where those papers are now? In a landfill somewhere. So much for being useful!

I also have an issue with breeding a female dog on every other heat cycle. But then, I have issues with people breeding before they even know if they'll have homes for their dogs. (The 75 year old woman *I* worked for bred top champion Cocker Spaniels. She never even THOUGHT about breeding any of her females until she had a waiting list, complete with deposits paid and contracts signed. Even then, she'd only breed one female dog. At most, out of the 18 dogs she had, she had one litter ever two years.)

I think the saddest part is, you're well aware of the dogs dying in shelters, purebred and mixes, and still think of adding to the population.
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This is a touchy subject, and everyone does what they think and feel is best for them.

BUT everything with papers and a uterus does not mean it is worth while to breed and everything with papers and testicles does not make them worth while to reproduce either.

I know a few people who raise dogs and several who raise horses who pay no attention to anything other than the color of the hair (horses) and how big they will get (dogs) .

And there is alot more to consider than that IF you want to be responsible and care about what goes on with the offspring you are making.

I personally have a registered Border Collie female she is all imported bloodlines from Scotland, Wales, England I could go on...........
Her uncle is a champion field trial dog, her mom is a champion working dog, her sire has several championships ect................
She is 8 years old and I have had her since she was a year and a half, people have hounded me to breed her, they want a puppy from her.... blah blah blah
I haven't and won't, for one thing I couldn't find a male with a good enough pedigree, conformation ect........... for another thing, her breeder sold her as a started working dog to me because the dog is on the timid side and wouldn't hold up to the pressure of competition, she has a happy and useful life with us as she works great for our needs. Her siblings are doing wonderful in the competitive fields.
Moral to this story is: even when breeding proven stock you may always get a below standard animal by the breeders standards, does that mean the next person should make more of them..................

My dogs breeder trains and breeds and shows border collies internationally, she breeds 1 female every 3 years and her puppies are snatched up before they are even concieved. She has wonderful dogs and doesn't have the "My Kennel/Barn" syndrome in thinking only hers are the best because they are hers...........
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