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Old 02-03-2007, 12:35 PM  
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dog w/ double ear infections HELP !

Okay in all my years of breeding and/or showing and doing rescue I have never had such a problem , we have been to both of our vets HELP PLEASE

Okay here is the issue my great dane/sharpie mixed male fixed rescue dog we got aug 3 he was a bag of bones , wormy , no shots and full of ticks and fleas well now he has no internal or external parasites and is a healthy 85 lbs and growing problem he also had ear mites in both ears so bad that his ear was glued shut with coffee grounds well 6 months later we finally got the mites gone only for him to get a yeast infection in his ear got that cleared up now he has double inner ear infections , our vet has seen nothing like it ,my vet suggested I start looking at alternative remedies ( right now he has antibiotic ear drops we are using from the vet plus a cleaner and a cream ) , I have seen online about using yeast infection creams , peroxide solutions and human antibiotics but broke in half .

My question is do any of you out there have any suggestions that has worked for you ?

My other dog we rescued from the shelter she was a bag of bones and needed to be spayed and all but he came from a person who actually called herself a rescue who got him from her local shelter but my vet is filing a report on her with her county because he said any rescue would never have adopted a dog out until he was healthy . I'm not complaining we love him and all I want is him well so I could care less about the details , I'm concerned only with him . We've done rescue ourselves and I never had a dog that left still sick and not with so much , but thank goodness both dogs are now fixed all shots current on frontline and heartguard and have gained weight and are spoiled divas ha ha .

thanks ahead time for your help if nothing more then please pray for his recovery !
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Old 02-03-2007, 04:50 PM  
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Shar peis tend to have skin and ear issues in general. If he is having recurrent ear problems it could be that he has a structual problem in the ear canal that is causing the problem to not completely go away or allowing it to come back. Some dogs must have the ear canal actually removed because medication can't get down to the infection. Or he could have allergies or another condition like hypothyroidism that are making the problem worse. A culture and sensitivity could be sent to a lab to make sure that the correct antibiotic is being used.
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They can remove the canal and then they just close it up. We had it done on our Cocker. His ear infections got really bad and he was in constant pain. But they really have to get all the canal tissue. I'm not sure that they do it much anymore. I have not seen any since I have been at this clinic. About 11 years.
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Yes, we still do the total ear canal ablations, only as a last resort though. We've done both ears (one at a time) on a few chronic ear infection cases, and the dogs have done quite well. It can be quite expensive, and our clinic only does them as a last resort.
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Well , our vet is <snip> we have used him for 12 years , but weve also taken him to two other vets ( 1 because my vet was booked that week and I wanted him seen sooner (<snip>) and the 2nd was a friend of my vets who does surgery and farm visits and is one of the US top rated ear surgen and specialist for dogs <snip> because my vet has retired from that he only does at home calls for vaccines , minor illnesses etc ) and my aunt a vet <snip> and she substatues for <snip> has seen him it's not a constant ear infection the problem is it took 6 monthsof irrigating his ear with a tube and cleaning it at the vets to get rid of the mites then he had an outer ear infection they treated with an ointment then he was fine for about a month now he has double inner ear infections so they have him on a oral amoxacillian antibiotic some baby asprin for pain and a antibiotic ear drop and a cream and a cleaner . This he has been on for two weeks , he goes back to the vet the end of the month .

Amazingly none of the vets see any hearing lost , <snip> did do a hearing test on him .

2 vets have reccomended trying a olive oil / tea tree oil natural infection remedy if by end of the month this doesnt work . But he's only been on the drops for 2 weeks and to me they arent as red smelly or hot as they were but I dunno if I am seeing what I wanna see , we check his temp every 4 hours he hasnt had a temp since the first day and he doesnt seem to be in pain hes very active and eating like a horse .

I dunno how to send pix on here I have tried and tried my PC for whatever reason refuses to work with the website for pictures we joke that he looks like the oriental scooby doo he has the sharpie wrinkles ears eyes face and color but the great dane legs and tail and he acts all great dane .

Thanks for the help and prayers !All the vets and I and a couple of my former show friends agree on 1 thing we have NEVER EVER seen such an ear mite infestation as he had . It was indescriable .

Excuse the spelling , I myself am due to my illness now been put on muscle relaxers and a morphine patch so my spelling and grammer is all over the place so I apologize

<specific names removed for the protection of those vets.>
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If all the medications and cleaning have been happening on a regular basis for a while, that could have lead to the infection. Too must moisture in the ear = a wonderful breeding ground for bacteria. Does he have floppy ears like a Dane?

That's one theory, anyway. But like Joustingirl said, I'd have him checcked for allergies, thyroid problems and all that fun stuff. Could be something as simple as a food allergy...

At this point though, I don't think I'd switch the routine. His ears have had a ton of stuff done to them over the past couple of months, I'd just let it be and continue on the course your on until the testing is done and an answer is found.

Now, I'm all for alternative medicine, BUT with the dog being on the amoxicillian, it's not going to do you much good. Olive oil and tea tree oil is a good thing, but I wouldn't do it until you KNOW what the cause is. IF the problem is being caused by too much moisture, the oil is going to cause the ear canal to stay moist. So you'll be working against yourself at that point. IF the problem is moisture related, a diluted solution of peroxide would probably work better than the oil because it tends to have a drying property to it.

IF it's allergy related, and it's something in his food, you'll be dealing with infections on a regular basis.

Best to have the tests done to rule out possibilities. Until then, I'd continue on the course you're on.
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Old 02-03-2007, 07:37 PM  
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His ears are tiny very tiny like the shar pie but floppy like the dane
he's had allergy testing , thyroid testing and hearing testing , hearings fine no sign of allergies , thyroid normal , they did complete blood work etc too just because of his condition when we got him to make sure he wasnt anemic or had infection in his blood stream etc all was fine .

My thinking was with all the cleaning and ear mite treatment and then the yeast infection cream that this has all led to moisture in his canal thus causing the double ear infections , that was my opinion to and glad to hear I'm not alone .

Which is why I was apprehensive about the olive oil idea and wasnt going to go there

someone else said if this doesnt work try an alcohol/peroxide solution and use a cotton ball after using the solution to make sure I dry up the ear after cleaning it with that .

We have invest over 2000 in tests and getting him straight well worth it because he means a million bucks to us , it just disgust me someone was intentionaly breeding this mix , he landed in the dog shelter then a supposed rescue facility but still came in such bad shape , honestly if we hadnt got him I think between the external and internal parasites and starvation he would have died .
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Wildcat if we are right and the problem is too much mousiture what do you reccomend like can you give me the ingrediants for a mix that may work and thats if this plan doesnt work , he goes back to the vet feb 28th at 3 PM .

This is so frustrating for him I mean to see him go through one thing after another and have 4 vets who are all very good dont get me wrong but to an extent I feel they have added to the issue because myself and even my former show friends think it's too much moisture

Oh and here is another thing adding to the confusion the vet put him on amox. well my aunt feels hed be better served with cephlexin ( ironic enough thats the same thing my leg infections get treated with ) but it's like which vet do I listen to , in all my years of former breeding and showing and rescue Ive never , hes my bestest bud when Im sick he lays right with me and it KILLS me to know hes been through so much , when he ever gets fully well i will feel like I accomplished something great .

I think I'll go with what this vet says and if by his vet appointment its not better I'll try my aunts plan or if he gets any worse before his appointment . But I trust my main 2 vets hate to say it I trust them better then my aunt sorry but I do . But like I said he eats plays and has no temp and the smell , heat isnt as bad and there is no swelling or drainage .

Im sorry I had forgot to mention earlier what test he had etc .
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The allergy tests covered things like grain, wheat, chicken, and so on? Just to make sure it's not food related...

I wouldn't use alcohol in the ear, even though it is super for drying things out, because it'll probably hurt a lot.

Actually, I thought about it and I think you may be better washing his ears out with some witch hazel. It's a natural astringent, so it'll help to dry things out, but not as quickly or harshly as alcohol, and it can also help to ease any pain he may be feeling. I used to use it when I did a lot of swimming because I have problems with my ears. Worked really well, though I never tried it during a raging infection. (Mainly because I used it after showers and swimming and didn't have infections. I'll have to go back to that...) If you really wanted to, you could put a couple drops of tea tree oil in the witch hazel, but I'd try just the WH first.

Most importantly, keep your vet posted on anything you're thinking about doing. I am not a vet, not by a long shot. Run it by your vet, see what they say first.

If he'll let you, you could also use a hair dryer, on low power but with heat, and blow dry his ears. My dog Callie has floppy ears and whenever she gets an infection, which she hasn't had one for years, I'd do that for her. She loved it! But he may not...
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:22 PM  
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yes mam it was a complete allergy pannel food , air allergins etc etc

I will for sure run it by my vet first I'm just desperate for any advise , I know what you mean when I swim or shower without plugs i get infections when I was younger I had a whole in my ear drum plus had to have tubes twice unfortunately I have BAD luck in health and apparently my luck falls into place with my canine babies lol

I will dry the dryer thing .
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**update** Kuper is doing tons better today so the antibodies and ear drops are working thank yall so much for letting a concerned mom air out her worries thanks again
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I hope it clears up this time and you don't see it again. Stay on top of it even if it becomes a bad habit. Q) Ah what are you doing with your nose in his ear? hehe! A) Whispering sweet nothings.
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I agree with the posts that recommend somewhat alternate therapy for this problem, particularly the the diluted peroxide. Not as harsh as alcohol but more potent than witch hazel. I wouldn't discontinue the oral antibiotics but it sounds as though his ears could use a good drying out and peroxide is just the ticket. It will kill the nasties and create a less hospitable environment for their return. I use it for cuts, scrapes, earaches, brushing my teeth, skin blemishes - you name it!
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Kuper, have you had allergy tests done? i've seen more great results from feeding as natural a food as possible. I know some who do ALL fresh foods and meats and have had skin and other problems dissappear. Just a thought. Good luck!
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thanks everybody , yeh he has had full food and regular allergy test , blood pannel , thyroid test /pannel etc . he seems to be doing a TON better thank goodness finally after 6 months he may finally have straight ears but your right I'll always be obessed with making sure his ears look , feel and smell normal
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If he has an inner ear infection that is severe, would the peroxide not irritate him??? The fizzing sound of the peroxide doing it's thing. I've had an inner ear infection before and I sure as heck wouldn't have wanted that in my ear. I would ask the vet on that one.

The yeast infection cream I have used on my dog, but only for minor infections, not deep in the canal. It did work, it's an antifunfual cream same as what the vets give (well here anyway)

BTW I glad to hear he is doing better
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That's why I suggested the witch hazel instead of the peroxide. It won't make any noise in the ear canal, other than the sound of fluid going in and coming out. Also, I'm guessing the ears are pretty irritated by now and the witch hazel, along with antiseptic properties, also soothes. Unlike peroxide.

Once the healing process has begun, then I'd switch, or add, a cleaning with diluted peroxide.
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