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Old 12-21-2010, 09:14 AM  
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Taste of the Wild/ 4Health/nutro Ultra

So I currently feed my dogs nutro Ultra, I like that it is made right up the road, and all the natural stuff in it...

But I have a feeling my dogs are having allergies. One of my dogs gets loose stool, especially if it's chicken and NU has chicken it. I have another one that is always really itchy, and sometimes sounds like she has a collapsed trach. She is also scratching her nose raw, no fleas. So I am wondering if they are both allergic to poultry.

So, 4Health has a lamb and rice formula, sound great, but they do use chicken fat, would that cause a problem? Anything good/bad about 4health?

Then I found Taste of the wild... and they have a fish variety, with NO chicked or beef whatsoever! SUpposed to be the same hollistic stuff as the ultra and 4health stuff... I got a bag and I am slowly switching them... MAn, do they LOVE it lol. Never seen them chow down faster...

Anyways, anything good or bad about 4health or taste of the wild?
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:42 AM  
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I feed TOW mixed with a Diamond food. Love TOW and know many people who feed it and love it. No grains and if you are of the belief that dogs do not eat grains it is wonderful for that. It's real downside is the cost - but the Nurto had gone up in price to too high for me to feed any longer - so they are priced about the same now. The dogs LOVE TOW - all flavors. Keep an eye out on TSC, they often have it on sale.
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I have been feeding the Taste of the wild Pacific stream for about 1.5 yrs now because my dog is allergic to everything! This is the only food I've found to work with him and his allergies. I had my dog tested as he was/is really bad. He's on allergy shots, pills and prednisone when bad. I would suggest getting your dogs tested so you know exactly what they are allergic too. It's really not that costly. But if you can't go that route, then try the taste of the wild first. This food does not have the majority of the ingredients that dogs tend to be allergic to like corn and flax so this may be a good thing to try. Plus it's fish and has omega 3 fatty acids which are good for allergies. Also you could try adding fish oil to your dogs diet, like regular fish oil pills you'd buy for yourself. This will help with the itchy's.
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Great! Thats what I want to hear... My little girl is going to the vet tomorrow to get her yearly shots, and to have her nosed looked at, I will do what they reccomened as far as allergy testing. I worked at this vet, and I love him, so I would pretty much do anything he told me to with my dog

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I work at TSC... And acutally a manager was walking out with a bunch of bags of it yesterday, so I asked her what she thought... They were damaged bags and she just gave me one So I am excited!

Oh and a guy was buying some diamond food yesterday... I looked at his shirt and he works at petsmart.. I asked him why he didn't get food from petsmart and he said that he had been feeding it forever, and he wasn't going to switch even though he worked there!

I really hope this helps, the Ultra is great, but it still does have some allergens in it, so I was hoping this may really make a difference!

We have one dog that is a really picky eater, and with it mixed in her food she just gobbled it right up!!
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I don't feed Taste of the Wild so no comment on that side of things...

BUT, I did feed the aformentioned Nutro Ultra and it tore one of my dogs skin up, BIG TIME, she started chewing at her fur and loosing it in clumps. It made all 3 of my dogs have loose stools the whole time they were on it, all of the above disappeared almost instantly when I switched to my current food which is Nature's Recipe.
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Lucky you for getting free TOW!!! I think each dog can do differently on different foods, my Malinois on Nutro Ultra had the most beautiful coats (which is uber important to me as they are show dogs) and did so well on it, I had other show dog friends switch their Belgians to the Nutro Ultra.

They eventually priced themselves out of what I felt was reasonable in feeding the numbers of dogs I was feeding - enter Diamond Natural Lamb and Rice - again, my dogs are doing fine on it and I mix in TOW because they love it so and it is a great quality food.

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I wish I could feed nutro ultra more regularly, but the way it's priced, it's a bit expensive for my 6 dogs. we have been feeding regular nutro for years and our dogs do pretty good on it. my favorite is still royal canin, but that got out of hand pricey!

just to throw this out there, I tried a newer product that I believe is made by purina mills. out local feed store carries it, it's expensive but follows in the footsteps of other "holistic foods". as soon as I opened the bag I wasn't impressed (some natural dog foods and GOOD dog foods actually smell good ), but gave it a shot anyways. my little yorkie/mini schnauzer mix got so sick from this switch, it was terrible. my vet treated her for a bacterial infection and that seemed to clear it up. I had one other dog end up with a mild case of diarrhea, but not as bad as the other one. needless to say, I won't be buying it again.

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Jazzy - Diamond is made here in Missouri - a good quality food for a good price - you might look into it.
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I switched to TOW Bison a year or so ago and the dogs love it. It keeps my old dog from being a fatty and my young dog from getting fat! Its rather expensive but well worth it and Tractor Supply runs specials from time to time so its not too bad.
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I started my dog on Evo when he was diagnosed with stage 5 lymphosarcoma in the intestinal tract. I was told by the specialist that there Grizz was not eligible for chemo due to the staging of the cancer and where it was. I was also told I'd be lucky to have him another month. At the vets recommendation, we switched him to Evo. It has the highest protien and no grains, which can help slow down the cancer growth. Apparently cancer cells live off carbs. Cut the carbs, and they can't multiply as fast.

It's been 7 months now, and Grizz is doing GREAT! He's gained weight, his coat looks better than I've ever seen it, he has a ton of energy, and at the last check, the vet couldn't see evidence of the cancer any more. We did not elect to do a biopsy to truely see if it's gone, or just regressing and in remission. I didn't care actually.

The only change we did was put him on Evo.

It is EXPENSIVE, but I'm feeding half of what I used too when he was on diamond, and he's gaining weight. I have since switched over my other adult dog, and I will put the puppy on it when she's no longer a puppy. My reasoning is that if it can make a cancer regress like it did Grizz, well, it can help to prevent it from starting in the first place.

I thank the dog food bag every day when I feed Grizz. I am so happy he's still with me. He is one of the best dogs I've ever had the priveledge of having, and I'd miss him if he weren't around anymore. He's the dog in my avatar just in case anyone is interested...
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Jazzy - Diamond is made here in Missouri - a good quality food for a good price - you might look into it.
I was feeding diamond for awhile, had a couple dogs that kept losing weight on it for some reason. I was feeding their natural formula (can't remember name, comes in a shiny bag....I remember it had blueberries in it for some reason ).

I had a hard time finding a consistent food for all 6 dogs. I tried feeding several different kinds but that was a PITA. I have all different breeds from a German Shepherd to a Papillon.
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Like you, we have different sizes and needs, and feed a mixture of the TOW and Diamond for my house/show dogs, and Pro Plan for the bird dogs. The bird dogs were being fed Diamond and they reacted like your dogs did, not able to hold their weight well on it.

Food can make a huge difference for our dogs, esp. when they are sick - good for you Arrow for finding a food that Grizz is doing well on - sending good vibes his way!
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Funny I have to feed Nutro (lamb and rice, for coat). My Beau (mutt) will dig till he bleeds if on anything else. Have not tried the one you can get at TSC (forgot the name that was posted). I always have to come back to the nurto. It is expensive and I am working on a way to feed only him the pricey stuff, the other two could care less.
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I love TOW, but only used it when Dane was maturing due to his gas bombs...
Would put about a 1/4 cup of water on it and it made its own gravey.. he lvoed it! (but he loves everything he is a food hog).

I like Nutro.. sometimes. Never wanted to try it on Dane's stomach.

I have used 4Health. the dogs liked it but again seemed to make Dane give more of his noxious gas bombs!! Even the lamb and rice formula.

So we feed Purina Lamb and Rice. I dont "like" Purina, but its cost effective and we dont have to wear gas masks all the time. I do mix it with soft Pedigree food.
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Like you, we have different sizes and needs, and feed a mixture of the TOW and Diamond for my house/show dogs, and Pro Plan for the bird dogs. The bird dogs were being fed Diamond and they reacted like your dogs did, not able to hold their weight well on it.
the vet I work for feeds pro plan and really likes it, I have debated on trying it for my guys. she feeds the one that has shredded pieces. we have a couple clients that board that feed TOW, but have never tried it myself
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My bitch that developped irritable bowel is on that. Tried the venison, bisson and duck, THANK GOD I found a food that did NOT make her puke AND she can have a variety of flavors too
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Like you, we have different sizes and needs, and feed a mixture of the TOW and Diamond for my house/show dogs, and Pro Plan for the bird dogs. The bird dogs were being fed Diamond and they reacted like your dogs did, not able to hold their weight well on it.

Food can make a huge difference for our dogs, esp. when they are sick - good for you Arrow for finding a food that Grizz is doing well on - sending good vibes his way!
That's what I've found with really active dogs too. Sometimes that bit of corn meal in there helps them to keep weight on. My dad is a Purina rep and feeds his three dogs Purina Pro Plan with the chicken shreds. His dogs look great and even his uber finicky picky daintly little ESP will eat it and actually maintain a decent weight on it.

My other dogs have been on Diamond Naturals Chicken and Rice almost since we moved up here. They are all nice and shiney on it and look/act great.

If I could afford it and needed to I would not hesitate to feed any of the TOW line of feeds. But luckily my two that are more sensitive to feeds only seem to have issues with corn, but are just fine on chicken/rice.

My Trucker does not do lamb and rice. Found that out the hard way!!! Darn near cleared us right out of our house he was so gassy!!!
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Hmm No one has mentioned it yet so I will. I feed Blue Buffalo Longevity and absolutely LOVE it! I have 3 dogs, 2 of which have issues. My Bichon has ALLERGIES and he is bad, he rips his hair out until he bleeds. My Basenji X has a SENSITIVE stomach and also has Masatory Muscle Myositis. And then I have a bichonX also and they ALL can eat one food. I love it. I know it's all made in the USA but made in 3 factories.

I like Nutro but I know that the Ultra can be hard because it does have the 3 different protein sources. Hard if there are allergies. Although their Nutro Natural Choice is just as good a quality of food just is only 1 protein source.

I'm not a huge fan of TOW... They were actually recently recalled for bad levels of vitamin D... I'm really not a huge fan of Eukanuba.

There are so many different options, but if allergies are the problem check out Blue Buffalo Basics. It's a limited ingredient diet and good for allergies. Nutro is supposedly coming out with a limited ingredient diet also but I am not 100% sure when that drops. Something worth checking out!

BTW I'm the dog trainer at a PetSmart down here and (unfortunately ) have been through a lot of seminars. These are all my opinions based off of the information I have learned!
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Hmm No one has mentioned it yet so I will. I feed Blue Buffalo Longevity and absolutely LOVE it! I have 3 dogs, 2 of which have issues. My Bichon has ALLERGIES and he is bad, he rips his hair out until he bleeds. My Basenji X has a SENSITIVE stomach and also has Masatory Muscle Myositis. And then I have a bichonX also and they ALL can eat one food. I love it. I know it's all made in the USA but made in 3 factories.

I like Nutro but I know that the Ultra can be hard because it does have the 3 different protein sources. Hard if there are allergies. Although their Nutro Natural Choice is just as good a quality of food just is only 1 protein source.

I'm not a huge fan of TOW... They were actually recently recalled for bad levels of vitamin D... I'm really not a huge fan of Eukanuba.

There are so many different options, but if allergies are the problem check out Blue Buffalo Basics. It's a limited ingredient diet and good for allergies. Nutro is supposedly coming out with a limited ingredient diet also but I am not 100% sure when that drops. Something worth checking out!

BTW I'm the dog trainer at a PetSmart down here and (unfortunately ) have been through a lot of seminars. These are all my opinions based off of the information I have learned!
I looked at the blue baffalo, but they use chicken fat as a fat source, even in the fish products, and I think my guy is allergic to chicken.

I had them on proplan small breed for a while (as I was getting it free at school), both had loose stools.

I am going to see the vet tomorrow anyways, so we will see if he thinks that the TOW is a good option going from the nutro ultra. The funny thing is, I was told that nutro can make dogs really gassy, but mine never did get gassy on it... Okay, but if they did those very few times it was REALLY bad
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"There is some controversy over the use of chicken fat in pet food and whether it is an allergen or not to some dogs and cats. The fact of the matter is that fat in its purest form is not an allergen. Dogs and cats cannot be allergic to pure chicken fat even if they have a chicken allergy. The allergy comes from a reaction to the receptors on chicken protein. Unfortunately, not all pet foods "clarify", or purify their chicken fat enough to eliminate all protein residues. Some of the manufacturers that do "clarify" their chicken fat and essentially eliminate the allergens include: Wellness, Canidae & FirstMate. If your dog or cat has an allergy to chicken and your food has chicken fat, be sure to call the manufacturer and ask if the chicken fat is "clarified" or not. This will help you decide what food is best for your allergy sensitive feline or canine friend."

I had heard that Chicken fat was not an allergen but I needed to look it up.

Nutro, Ultra especially, is a really rich food thats what a lot of dogs tend not to do so well on it. It has a lot of things in it that if your dog can eat are very beneficial but for dogs that have ANY little bit of a sensitive stomach will have loose stool, gas, or vomiting.

Let us know what the vet says. They might recommend Science diet, most vets get kickback from the science diet they sell. Just say no to that!
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