Chinese Crested pups - 8 weeks old now

Peter-John's Love · 10-26-2009, 10:56 AM

I have been overwhelmed with life (that will be another post - if I ever have time), but thought I would update on the 3 pups...

We already had our first vet visit...Pinto was like yeah a shot ok fine. Bunny was "that hurt so kiss me and play with me"...Rocky screamed loudly to tell animals in the area to run for their lives

then he cried and cried as he got some after the owie snuggles.

They are 8 weeks, but I was told by Chinese Crested long time breeder that this breed takes a little longer to get fully goin....I have listed them for sale and am praying to get them sold....They get 2nd shots about the 10th of Nov....

This is grown up puppy Rocky....he is truely a hairy hairless - better for showing, but worse for the actual quality of the hairless gene...(don't we all know that issue)...but he is a cutie for sure...snuggly mellow pup.

Bunny is sooooooo full of herself....brings the food dish to bed (a better place to eat

) She loves people and is always looking for ways to get into trouble.

Pinto is silly like his Daddy....a true hairless. Has his ears up already....

Pinto loves people and giving kisses....

Mostly we are praying they find great forever loving homes

GREAT FARMER find me the perfect home - Amen!

I agree with Pinto's prayer

Gotta Love Duns · 10-26-2009, 11:33 AM

What little cuties! You and Peter-John have done an amazing job with them.

imhorsepoor2 · 10-26-2009, 11:39 AM

Hi-you pups are really cute. What are you asking for them? I have three chinese crested's-two hairless(male/female)and one powder puff. I do have a question as I just recently got into the crested's. You said that as far as being a true hairless that it is not good as far as breeding goes? Why? I am planning on eventually breeding my pp to my hairless female(as I heard that you are not supposed to breed-hairless to hairless). My one male is a true hairless with not much hair even on head/tail/legs, etc. But my female has a nice head of hair and hair down her back(kind of like your Rocky pup). Any information would be very helpful to me. Oh and are your pups registered? Thanks!

horselady · 10-26-2009, 11:45 AM

Such cuties, hope they get sold and all is going well for you

AnaBellesMoM · 10-26-2009, 12:15 PM

I want I want I want!!!! If I didn't already have two dogs I'd definetly give one of them a home. I have no doubt you'll find good homes for them!

recklesshoundog · 10-26-2009, 12:45 PM

You have a PM!

How did you know we just discussed adding a new crested to the Ziggy Shang team? Oh wait...I think we know who orchastrates these happenings!!

WickedNag · 10-26-2009, 12:52 PM

Oh my one of my very favorite toy breeds. I am sending you a pm

Jess6092 · 10-30-2009, 08:53 AM

They are adorable PJL! That would be so amazing if they went to HT homes! I LOVE getting to watch them all grow up!

Peter-John's Love · 11-02-2009, 08:48 AM

There is still debate on the breed and breeding the hairless to the hairless...let me explain it as I understand it. I am NOT an expert, so am taking this info from trusted long time breeders....I have heard it both ways.

The breed has 3 variations - all are born this way.

HL = hairless (little to no hair) - many call them a "true hairless"

HHL = Hairy hairless (actually a hairless, but one that has more hair - often more hair appears as they grow too) - this is actually thought by some to be not as "pure" but the show dogs need the boots on the feet (like a Clydesdale) and hair on the head and hair on the tail and many "true" hairless do not have this much hair. The hairy hairless is clipped to look like the "show dog" that we see in the ring. Amount of hair on any dog varies. While these are hairless and shown "hairless" people call them this to refer to how much hair they have.

PP = Powderpuff - has hair all over the body. (Considered NOT to have the hairless gene). They CAN be shown in the breed. It is thought like many colors of horses, "if you have the gene, it is seen" (For a crested, a hairless body)

The hairless gene seems to be linked to teeth issues and missing teeth is the concern raised.

That is why breeding a PP to a HL (or HHL) is thought to help. The thought by some is that this will help, but others believe you are not "improving" the hairless gene itself by diluting the breed with dogs that do not have the gene. Since the powder puff is said to not have the hairless gene, you do not improve the hairless gene by this breeding. (Like a "solid" colored spotted saddle horse - reg'd to show they came from the breed, but are they actually "a spotted")

In some countries and areas people are trying to find the best hairless dogs and breed to the best hairless to get better hairless dogs. This is the idea I have used with my dogs.

The sire (Keeper) has great confirmation, good teeth - but not enough hair to show (and I cannot show with Peter-John anyway)...and I prefer no boots as bare feet are cleaner....He looks more like the old hairless dogs seen in art....So is he a better hairless or not?

The issue with HHL dogs is they are (in ways) not the best "hairless", but they win in the show ring....that causes the issue of do you breed for a more pure hairless (as shown in the old hairless pictures) or one that wins in the ring....This is a debate for the Chinese Crested Club and each owner.

Each breeder must decide what creates the best dog - as long as health and temperament are good the rest is debatable....Any breed standard can be changed, but until then - for show dogs - we need to breed for that standard for it was developed that way for many reasons.

But as in other breeds.....I love English Setters and there is almost 2 breeds now (field and show)...The Red and White Setter was not desired and the solid red Irish Setter evolved and the Red and White almost died out, but now has returned....The breed clubs must continually debate what is the "standard" that they see as best.

So some owners desire the "hairless" while others like the "hairy hairless"...and powder puffs are bundles of cuddly love - so....maybe they will divide off into totally different dogs as setters did...

I have many contacting me about getting MINI Cresteds....I am not sure that is a good way to go, but that may end up being the future of the breed as well. Seems people are looking for that....

As more is learned about genes (in all critters), the breeding will become easier to decide. But since each animal is mix of those genes, until we creat animals in a lab, we all must look to the best choices by education - then adding a touch of prayer too.....Then picking the "best" offspring for future breeding.

One other note about hairless dogs - the powder puff puppies "thrive" better, so some breeders take them away from mom at times to help the hairless pups get enough to eat. Any one breeding hairless dogs, should take note of this mix in the litter.

But now about our babies

Bunny has become a confident love. She has such a super personality (and knows it

)

Pinto is full of his Daddy's attitude and pulls my heart strings for when Keeeper was a baby...He is the rough and tough scrapper...like a Tramp dog in Lady and the Tramp. He plays til everyone is tired out and then can't wait for more play time.

Rocky is the lap pup. He has for sure gotten more rowdy, but cries if the others pick on him. He is mellow and laid back. He loves to give sweet kisses on the nose.

These pups are AKC - for pricing - PM me as I was not advertising them for sale on here, just letting HTers know (as many of you have watched them grow up) - telling you I am ready to send them to new homes - and SOON

Shipping these pups can be a concern with them being hairless, so that has been the biggest issue I have had many people wanting them that are far away

I will miss them, but am ready to send them on to new homes

Appy Luvr · 11-02-2009, 04:46 PM

Beautiful babies!!! I raise Toy Poodles but I also have a few Cresteds and I LOVE the breed!!! Exspecting a litter of CCs at the end of the month, can't wait to see what she has!!!

farmergal · 11-04-2009, 08:33 AM

Aw! They just keep getting cuter with every update!

I have puppies in my future too. My Maltese Minnie has once again proved her fertility.

Looks like once again she'll have a big litter.

Puppies are due to arrive in three weeks.

Hope Pinto's prayer comes true!

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10-26-2009, 10:56 AM
Peter-John's Love Long Yearling Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,315	Chinese Crested pups - 8 weeks old now I have been overwhelmed with life (that will be another post - if I ever have time), but thought I would update on the 3 pups... We already had our first vet visit...Pinto was like yeah a shot ok fine. Bunny was "that hurt so kiss me and play with me"...Rocky screamed loudly to tell animals in the area to run for their lives then he cried and cried as he got some after the owie snuggles. They are 8 weeks, but I was told by Chinese Crested long time breeder that this breed takes a little longer to get fully goin....I have listed them for sale and am praying to get them sold....They get 2nd shots about the 10th of Nov.... This is grown up puppy Rocky....he is truely a hairy hairless - better for showing, but worse for the actual quality of the hairless gene...(don't we all know that issue)...but he is a cutie for sure...snuggly mellow pup. Bunny is sooooooo full of herself....brings the food dish to bed (a better place to eat ) She loves people and is always looking for ways to get into trouble. Pinto is silly like his Daddy....a true hairless. Has his ears up already.... Pinto loves people and giving kisses.... Mostly we are praying they find great forever loving homes GREAT FARMER find me the perfect home - Amen! I agree with Pinto's prayer __________________ Love is a visible gift of God like when you see Peter-John's and Darlin's souls touch

10-26-2009, 11:33 AM
Gotta Love Duns Bombproof Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dixonville, Alberta Posts: 10,798	What little cuties! You and Peter-John have done an amazing job with them. __________________ A penny saved is a penny you can spend on your next horse. http://nightfireranch.webs.com/index.htm

10-26-2009, 11:39 AM
imhorsepoor2 Newborn Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 10	chinese crested pups Hi-you pups are really cute. What are you asking for them? I have three chinese crested's-two hairless(male/female)and one powder puff. I do have a question as I just recently got into the crested's. You said that as far as being a true hairless that it is not good as far as breeding goes? Why? I am planning on eventually breeding my pp to my hairless female(as I heard that you are not supposed to breed-hairless to hairless). My one male is a true hairless with not much hair even on head/tail/legs, etc. But my female has a nice head of hair and hair down her back(kind of like your Rocky pup). Any information would be very helpful to me. Oh and are your pups registered? Thanks!

10-26-2009, 11:45 AM
horselady Kid Safe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: albany new york Posts: 6,428	Such cuties, hope they get sold and all is going well for you __________________ www.rainbow-horse-retirement.com We love and take care of your companion for the remainder of his lifetime

10-26-2009, 12:15 PM
AnaBellesMoM Weanling Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Diego,CA Posts: 257	I want I want I want!!!! If I didn't already have two dogs I'd definetly give one of them a home. I have no doubt you'll find good homes for them!

10-26-2009, 12:45 PM
recklesshoundog Greenbroke Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts: 3,163	You have a PM! How did you know we just discussed adding a new crested to the Ziggy Shang team? Oh wait...I think we know who orchastrates these happenings!!

10-26-2009, 12:52 PM
WickedNag Long Yearling Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Dakota Posts: 1,008	Oh my one of my very favorite toy breeds. I am sending you a pm __________________ ~D~ Please feel free to visit my sites and light a candle http://amanda-garner.memory-of.com/ http://samantha-evink.memory-of.com/

10-30-2009, 08:53 AM
Jess6092 Coming two Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,575	They are adorable PJL! That would be so amazing if they went to HT homes! I LOVE getting to watch them all grow up! __________________

11-02-2009, 08:48 AM
Peter-John's Love Long Yearling Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,315	Info on the breed There is still debate on the breed and breeding the hairless to the hairless...let me explain it as I understand it. I am NOT an expert, so am taking this info from trusted long time breeders....I have heard it both ways. The breed has 3 variations - all are born this way. HL = hairless (little to no hair) - many call them a "true hairless" HHL = Hairy hairless (actually a hairless, but one that has more hair - often more hair appears as they grow too) - this is actually thought by some to be not as "pure" but the show dogs need the boots on the feet (like a Clydesdale) and hair on the head and hair on the tail and many "true" hairless do not have this much hair. The hairy hairless is clipped to look like the "show dog" that we see in the ring. Amount of hair on any dog varies. While these are hairless and shown "hairless" people call them this to refer to how much hair they have. PP = Powderpuff - has hair all over the body. (Considered NOT to have the hairless gene). They CAN be shown in the breed. It is thought like many colors of horses, "if you have the gene, it is seen" (For a crested, a hairless body) The hairless gene seems to be linked to teeth issues and missing teeth is the concern raised. That is why breeding a PP to a HL (or HHL) is thought to help. The thought by some is that this will help, but others believe you are not "improving" the hairless gene itself by diluting the breed with dogs that do not have the gene. Since the powder puff is said to not have the hairless gene, you do not improve the hairless gene by this breeding. (Like a "solid" colored spotted saddle horse - reg'd to show they came from the breed, but are they actually "a spotted") In some countries and areas people are trying to find the best hairless dogs and breed to the best hairless to get better hairless dogs. This is the idea I have used with my dogs. The sire (Keeper) has great confirmation, good teeth - but not enough hair to show (and I cannot show with Peter-John anyway)...and I prefer no boots as bare feet are cleaner....He looks more like the old hairless dogs seen in art....So is he a better hairless or not? The issue with HHL dogs is they are (in ways) not the best "hairless", but they win in the show ring....that causes the issue of do you breed for a more pure hairless (as shown in the old hairless pictures) or one that wins in the ring....This is a debate for the Chinese Crested Club and each owner. Each breeder must decide what creates the best dog - as long as health and temperament are good the rest is debatable....Any breed standard can be changed, but until then - for show dogs - we need to breed for that standard for it was developed that way for many reasons. But as in other breeds.....I love English Setters and there is almost 2 breeds now (field and show)...The Red and White Setter was not desired and the solid red Irish Setter evolved and the Red and White almost died out, but now has returned....The breed clubs must continually debate what is the "standard" that they see as best. So some owners desire the "hairless" while others like the "hairy hairless"...and powder puffs are bundles of cuddly love - so....maybe they will divide off into totally different dogs as setters did... I have many contacting me about getting MINI Cresteds....I am not sure that is a good way to go, but that may end up being the future of the breed as well. Seems people are looking for that.... As more is learned about genes (in all critters), the breeding will become easier to decide. But since each animal is mix of those genes, until we creat animals in a lab, we all must look to the best choices by education - then adding a touch of prayer too.....Then picking the "best" offspring for future breeding. One other note about hairless dogs - the powder puff puppies "thrive" better, so some breeders take them away from mom at times to help the hairless pups get enough to eat. Any one breeding hairless dogs, should take note of this mix in the litter. But now about our babies Bunny has become a confident love. She has such a super personality (and knows it ) Pinto is full of his Daddy's attitude and pulls my heart strings for when Keeeper was a baby...He is the rough and tough scrapper...like a Tramp dog in Lady and the Tramp. He plays til everyone is tired out and then can't wait for more play time. Rocky is the lap pup. He has for sure gotten more rowdy, but cries if the others pick on him. He is mellow and laid back. He loves to give sweet kisses on the nose. These pups are AKC - for pricing - PM me as I was not advertising them for sale on here, just letting HTers know (as many of you have watched them grow up) - telling you I am ready to send them to new homes - and SOON Shipping these pups can be a concern with them being hairless, so that has been the biggest issue I have had many people wanting them that are far away I will miss them, but am ready to send them on to new homes __________________ Love is a visible gift of God like when you see Peter-John's and Darlin's souls touch

11-02-2009, 04:46 PM
Appy Luvr Newborn Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Montana Posts: 34	Beautiful babies!!! I raise Toy Poodles but I also have a few Cresteds and I LOVE the breed!!! Exspecting a litter of CCs at the end of the month, can't wait to see what she has!!! __________________ Shoshoni Darlin Starshine Flyer

11-04-2009, 08:33 AM
farmergal Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 6,063	Aw! They just keep getting cuter with every update! I have puppies in my future too. My Maltese Minnie has once again proved her fertility. Looks like once again she'll have a big litter. Puppies are due to arrive in three weeks. Hope Pinto's prayer comes true! __________________ Knowlege is out there, you just need to know where to look.