Heza Mamaz Boy - a 7 yr old Thoroughbred

horsegirl4 · 07-14-2008, 04:49 PM

Breed: Thoroughbred
Age: 7
Gender: gelding
Height: 17hh
Horse's current job and future intended uses: Jumper, thinking about retraining for barrels because I can't ride English anymore.
Additional Information: He's my baby and fast but seems to love western more then English

pvf · 07-16-2008, 08:58 AM

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horsegirl4 · 07-16-2008, 02:05 PM

Does anyone have anything to say about my boy comformation wise?

breburtch · 07-16-2008, 02:28 PM

he's not got the greatest conformation out there. and I think you need to focus on getting some wieght and muscle on him before you worry to much about retraining him.

IMO he's not got the conformation for a barrel horse
he's got almost no butt
his back is very weird looking
and his front and hind feet appear to turn out.

Barrel horses tend to shorter and more compact for a reason he;s got to be able to handle those tight turns with out knocking down barrels.
I'd focus on getting him fattened up and in shape and then see where it goes from there with his training who knows he might be fine doing small local gaming shows but would also be a great pleasure horse to play around on

horsegirl4 · 07-16-2008, 02:38 PM

how does his back end look weird? just want to know because thats very interesting

um hes always looked like thats weight wise he never gets fatter then that even when i try my hardest and his teeth have been floated and wormed. he weights almost 1350lbs believe it or not.

anything else?

breburtch · 07-16-2008, 02:48 PM

It could just be the pictures but his back dips below the withers then goes up and appears to dip before his hip and he's got what I call a cow butt. I'm sorry but a 7 year old horses ribs and hip bones shouldn;t show like that and he's quite sunken in above the eyes and his hind end is sunken in. He looks like a old horse rather then a young horse

texagal7 · 07-16-2008, 02:53 PM

he is a pretty boy, however at 17h it may be hard to barrell race him since his height would be working against him, but try it out anyway he may do better than what some think.

horsegirl4 · 07-16-2008, 02:53 PM

yeah i know but he looked like that when he was with his previous owners as well. i know them and have known him since he was 5 weeks old. its just him i geuss horses are just different.

well thanks i think i can see what you mean but it could just be the ground also we dont have really level ground unless i go on the street

horsegirl4 · 07-16-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by texagal7

he is a pretty boy, however at 17h it may be hard to barrell race him since his height would be working against him, but try it out anyway he may do better than what some think.

i did yesterday alittle and he does better then my 15.3hh horse he can really move. to bad i cant get pix

PaintsQH · 07-17-2008, 06:33 AM

I tend to agree on a few things. He also has very high withers, has long front pasterns and does need some weight and muscle. His neck is quite thin with not much muscle and he is very narrow in the front. As far as his weight, he is 17hh, so that could be a part of it. If he was a hand shorter, he would be more ideal weight wise. You have to remember, barrel racing can be hard on a horse and he needs to be in tip top shape. I would up his feed as he will start to drop weight once you start to work him more. He does have the sweetest face and kind eye. He looks like a very nice boy

HighHorse · 07-17-2008, 01:46 PM

For a hunter or dressage prospect, I really like his build. I bet he has a nice trot, and would look beutiful extended. I do not see one ioda of a barrel horse there. In fact, conformationally he is the exact opposite. You need a short back and short cannons for barrel racing. There's no way he's going to be able to drop his shoulder enough to make a tight turn. Its going to be very taxing on his long body to try. Remember that small circles are hard to do for any horse, thats why it takes a horse with a special build to excel in barrel racing (without doing damage).

That said, he would make a beautiful english horse. And like most TB's, would excel in most any english discipline you put him in. If english is really not your thing, there's a few western disciplines he could do at a 'fun' level. Hope this helps, I know its not what you wanted to hear. I DO think he's a beauty. I absolutely love his color and build. With some extra pounds, he's going to be a stunner.

A J · 07-17-2008, 02:17 PM

Conformationally speaking - I'm no expert, working on trying to put into words what I see, so here goes.

Overall, he lacks muscle and smoothness. Neck is very thin with almost no muscle. Nice shoulder, a little upright, but only slightly and that's pretty normal for a TB anyways. Front legs are okay, toes turn out slightly, front pasterns look long and weak. Good sized feet. Kinda narrow chested for his age. He appears to have a bit of a roach back over his loin area, and a small "hunter bump" behind that. Again, a serious lack of muscle in his tummy and hind end. This is making him look a lot thinner than I think he actually is. He also appears slightly camped under.

For a TB, I think his weight is okay, but any less and he'd be skinny. He definitely lacks muscle pretty much all over.

I don't see a barrel horse. Maybe just to tootle around and have fun with, but in order to dig in and make those corners fast, he would ruin his hocks and back in a very short time IMO. Any horse can do gymkhana for fun, but not all horses are going to be competitive at higher divisions, and I don't see him doing anything other than the lower divisions without causing damage.

He's got a sweet face and appears to have a great attitude. Striking color, and his coat is in pretty good condition.

horsegirl4 · 07-17-2008, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighHorse

For a hunter or dressage prospect, I really like his build. I bet he has a nice trot, and would look beutiful extended. I do not see one ioda of a barrel horse there. In fact, conformationally he is the exact opposite. You need a short back and short cannons for barrel racing. There's no way he's going to be able to drop his shoulder enough to make a tight turn. Its going to be very taxing on his long body to try. Remember that small circles are hard to do for any horse, thats why it takes a horse with a special build to excel in barrel racing (without doing damage).

That said, he would make a beautiful english horse. And like most TB's, would excel in most any english discipline you put him in. If english is really not your thing, there's a few western disciplines he could do at a 'fun' level. Hope this helps, I know its not what you wanted to hear. I DO think he's a beauty. I absolutely love his color and build. With some extra pounds, he's going to be a stunner.

love english but popped both my knees of of their sockets so bye-bye english, ok barrels was just a thought anyways, so in the western world what do you think hed be good at? yep working at the weight thing

hes grogous up close everyone likes to stare at him when they pass by, it even got to the point where a few people just parked it was so funny

BarnBum · 07-17-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by horsegirl4

so in the western world what do you think hed be good at?

Trail Riding. TB, esp 17hands just don't make a pretty WP horse.

Confirmation wise........he needs weight and muscle.

Not a big TB fan. QH are more versatile for what you want to do.

PaintsQH · 07-17-2008, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horsegirl4

love english but popped both my knees of of their sockets so bye-bye english, ok barrels was just a thought anyways, so in the western world what do you think hed be good at? yep working at the weight thing

hes grogous up close everyone likes to stare at him when they pass by, it even got to the point where a few people just parked it was so funny

Uhm.. I think barrel racing might be hard on your knees as well. I know you have to post when you ride english, but im sure the barrel racers out there will tell you it hurts like heck when you bang your knee on a barrel.

HighHorse · 07-17-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaintsQH

Uhm.. I think barrel racing might be hard on your knees as well. I know you have to post when you ride english, but im sure the barrel racers out there will tell you it hurts like heck when you bang your knee on a barrel.

Not to mention the stress on your inner leg.

When I said 'western disciplines', it was more like disciplines where a western saddle is acceptable. If he's level headed, you could train for competitive trail, parades, or even volunteer mounted patrol. You may not 'excel' at WP, but if you did open local shows, who cares? You're looking to put a western saddle on a TB, sounds to me like you're more in it for fun anyway

. My sister used to take our SB into WP shows. I don't want to stray too far off of conformation, so can I make a suggestion? A lot of knowledgeable forum people steer clear of the 'conformation clinic'. You may want to take those same pictures and post them in the 'horse advice' section and ask for career suggestions. Just be sure to mention in the OP that you are aware of the fact he his thin, and you are working on it. This way you don't hear the same thing over and over again.

I am looking forward to hearing some suggestions.

ETA: If you weren't so far away, I'd be making offers

SpotADots4Me · 07-17-2008, 09:46 PM

I run barrels and your knees (and shines)will take A LOT of stress (I've been taking up pilates and am going to start supplements to prevent damage)

Regardless, he has long legs and a long back. . . with barrels, I believe in one or the other but never both. . . it CAN be done, but I wouldn't.

just my bias. it is A LOT of stress of both horse and rider.

horsegirl4 · 07-18-2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighHorse

Not to mention the stress on your inner leg.

ETA: If you weren't so far away, I'd be making offers

i wont sell him if my life depended on it

but if you dont mind getting bucked off or reared up on sure

because he wont let anyone ride him past a walk except me

SpotADots4Me · 07-19-2008, 08:26 AM

MIGHT want to send him to a trainer then. . . Thats dangerous.

beckyp · 07-19-2008, 10:12 AM

I noticed his hips,I thought he needed to be built up there. I have a TB gelding and he can get skinny there in winter,I have tried weight build,have had success with corn oil in grain. He is at my daughter's this summer and he looks better now,her fiance's uncle gave him steroids-not something I would recommend to everybody but it had helped him immensely.I rode him western ever since I got him 3 years ago but have switched to English cause the saddle is lighter to lift-I am 55 and a friend needed western saddle for his daughter.

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07-14-2008, 04:49 PM
horsegirl4 Yearling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Evergreen State Posts: 590	Heza Mamaz Boy - a 7 yr old Thoroughbred Breed: Thoroughbred Age: 7 Gender: gelding Height: 17hh Horse's current job and future intended uses: Jumper, thinking about retraining for barrels because I can't ride English anymore. Additional Information: He's my baby and fast but seems to love western more then English __________________ Don't Mess with Me, You will not Win! For I am a Wild Spirit, that no one can Tame! Last edited by horsegirl4 : 07-20-2008 at 05:25 PM.

07-16-2008, 08:58 AM
pvf Regional Forums Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 6,441	How to Critique Horses - read this if you want to comment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are the rules about how to critique horses in the conformation clinic. Please check back here as this forum progresses since we will be making updates as we go along. 1. Be honest but friendly. All horses have flaws -- you can certainly point them out. BUT, do not say things in a way that could be construed as rude or overly negative. Keep all comments focused on the horse. Do not say anything critical about the owner. 2. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Just like how all horses have flaws, they all have good points. If you have something negative to say, be sure to also include a positive comment. Keep things friendly -- give your comments the way you would if a good friend asked you for your opinion. 3. If you don't have anything conformation-related to say, please PM the horse's owner instead of replying in here. People posting in this area are looking for conformation-related responses. Even if you're not well versed in conformation, please don't be shy about trying to critique the horse or ask questions about his/her conformation. But, since this is the conformation clinic, please make sure your response does pertain to conformation! Comments such as "he sure is pretty!" should be made via PM if you aren't also commenting on the horse's conformation. 4. People WILL say things you disagree with. Keep your comments focused on your own ideas, and not reactions to other people's posts. If you think you'll be bothered by seeing comments that you think are "wrong" - then don't visit this forum!!! It is not your job to convince everyone that your opinion is correct. Say what you believe and let others come to their own conclusions. If people have trouble following these rules, we will make critiquing by invitation only. For help understanding conformation better check out these to threads: Horse Conformations for Dummies- P.1 Conformation for Dummies P.2 __________________ www.prairieviewfarms.net Raising Reg. Paints and Quarter horses

07-16-2008, 02:05 PM
horsegirl4 Yearling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Evergreen State Posts: 590	Does anyone have anything to say about my boy comformation wise? __________________ Don't Mess with Me, You will not Win! For I am a Wild Spirit, that no one can Tame!

07-16-2008, 02:28 PM
breburtch Coming two Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ennismore, Ontario Posts: 1,899	he's not got the greatest conformation out there. and I think you need to focus on getting some wieght and muscle on him before you worry to much about retraining him. IMO he's not got the conformation for a barrel horse he's got almost no butt his back is very weird looking and his front and hind feet appear to turn out. Barrel horses tend to shorter and more compact for a reason he;s got to be able to handle those tight turns with out knocking down barrels. I'd focus on getting him fattened up and in shape and then see where it goes from there with his training who knows he might be fine doing small local gaming shows but would also be a great pleasure horse to play around on

07-16-2008, 02:38 PM
horsegirl4 Yearling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Evergreen State Posts: 590	how does his back end look weird? just want to know because thats very interesting um hes always looked like thats weight wise he never gets fatter then that even when i try my hardest and his teeth have been floated and wormed. he weights almost 1350lbs believe it or not. anything else? __________________ Don't Mess with Me, You will not Win! For I am a Wild Spirit, that no one can Tame!

07-16-2008, 02:48 PM
breburtch Coming two Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ennismore, Ontario Posts: 1,899	It could just be the pictures but his back dips below the withers then goes up and appears to dip before his hip and he's got what I call a cow butt. I'm sorry but a 7 year old horses ribs and hip bones shouldn;t show like that and he's quite sunken in above the eyes and his hind end is sunken in. He looks like a old horse rather then a young horse

07-16-2008, 02:53 PM
texagal7 Weanling Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 342	he is a pretty boy, however at 17h it may be hard to barrell race him since his height would be working against him, but try it out anyway he may do better than what some think.

07-17-2008, 06:33 AM
PaintsQH Started Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,442	I tend to agree on a few things. He also has very high withers, has long front pasterns and does need some weight and muscle. His neck is quite thin with not much muscle and he is very narrow in the front. As far as his weight, he is 17hh, so that could be a part of it. If he was a hand shorter, he would be more ideal weight wise. You have to remember, barrel racing can be hard on a horse and he needs to be in tip top shape. I would up his feed as he will start to drop weight once you start to work him more. He does have the sweetest face and kind eye. He looks like a very nice boy __________________ My treasures do not clink, they gleam in the sunlight and neigh in the night

07-17-2008, 01:46 PM
HighHorse Started Join Date: May 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 2,907	For a hunter or dressage prospect, I really like his build. I bet he has a nice trot, and would look beutiful extended. I do not see one ioda of a barrel horse there. In fact, conformationally he is the exact opposite. You need a short back and short cannons for barrel racing. There's no way he's going to be able to drop his shoulder enough to make a tight turn. Its going to be very taxing on his long body to try. Remember that small circles are hard to do for any horse, thats why it takes a horse with a special build to excel in barrel racing (without doing damage). That said, he would make a beautiful english horse. And like most TB's, would excel in most any english discipline you put him in. If english is really not your thing, there's a few western disciplines he could do at a 'fun' level. Hope this helps, I know its not what you wanted to hear. I DO think he's a beauty. I absolutely love his color and build. With some extra pounds, he's going to be a stunner. __________________ I played with a clouded leopard

07-17-2008, 02:17 PM
A J Greenbroke Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vallejo, CA Posts: 3,353	Conformationally speaking - I'm no expert, working on trying to put into words what I see, so here goes. Overall, he lacks muscle and smoothness. Neck is very thin with almost no muscle. Nice shoulder, a little upright, but only slightly and that's pretty normal for a TB anyways. Front legs are okay, toes turn out slightly, front pasterns look long and weak. Good sized feet. Kinda narrow chested for his age. He appears to have a bit of a roach back over his loin area, and a small "hunter bump" behind that. Again, a serious lack of muscle in his tummy and hind end. This is making him look a lot thinner than I think he actually is. He also appears slightly camped under. For a TB, I think his weight is okay, but any less and he'd be skinny. He definitely lacks muscle pretty much all over. I don't see a barrel horse. Maybe just to tootle around and have fun with, but in order to dig in and make those corners fast, he would ruin his hocks and back in a very short time IMO. Any horse can do gymkhana for fun, but not all horses are going to be competitive at higher divisions, and I don't see him doing anything other than the lower divisions without causing damage. He's got a sweet face and appears to have a great attitude. Striking color, and his coat is in pretty good condition. __________________ Try not, do. Do or do not. There is no try.

07-17-2008, 09:46 PM
SpotADots4Me Yearling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 622	I run barrels and your knees (and shines)will take A LOT of stress (I've been taking up pilates and am going to start supplements to prevent damage) Regardless, he has long legs and a long back. . . with barrels, I believe in one or the other but never both. . . it CAN be done, but I wouldn't. just my bias. it is A LOT of stress of both horse and rider. __________________ oops, I did it again

07-19-2008, 08:26 AM
SpotADots4Me Yearling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 622	MIGHT want to send him to a trainer then. . . Thats dangerous. __________________ oops, I did it again

07-19-2008, 10:12 AM
beckyp Seasoned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: utica,ky Posts: 4,092	I noticed his hips,I thought he needed to be built up there. I have a TB gelding and he can get skinny there in winter,I have tried weight build,have had success with corn oil in grain. He is at my daughter's this summer and he looks better now,her fiance's uncle gave him steroids-not something I would recommend to everybody but it had helped him immensely.I rode him western ever since I got him 3 years ago but have switched to English cause the saddle is lighter to lift-I am 55 and a friend needed western saddle for his daughter. __________________ If not at home try the barn.