5 year old AQHA mare

BeckysWylie · 06-05-2008, 12:15 AM

Breed: AQHA
Age: 5
Height: 15hands
Uses: Just started under saddle last year to be used as a trail horse due to past injury. Also broodmare due to that injury, prevents her from hard riding or arena work. She is currently still carrying her 2008 foal who was due mid May.

VickiE · 06-05-2008, 02:35 PM

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Tobiesmom · 06-06-2008, 09:05 AM

I like this mare's overall color and size and I think she is well suited for your trail riding. She has a pleasant eye and nice deep hindquarters when viewed from the rear. She is a bit steep in the croup - what some people call a 'running horse' hip and I'd like to see more depth in the hip. She camps under in the rear but not so severly that it would cause her problems. She may also be a bit too straight in the shoulder, it causes her neck to tie in a bit awkwardly. She has a nice thin neck and a pleasant head. She has a bit of an outward bow just between her eyes that detracts from her head a bit, but overall, its a pleasant head. I anticipate that she may tend to travel hard on her front feet, given she is much straighter in the front legs than she is in the rear. As you see in the picture with her head raised - that raised head causes her to look really unattractive in her front half.... personally, I would encourage her to keep her head lower and push off from her hind legs when riding to soften the ride.... otherwise, she may have a tendency to pound the ground with her fronts. Overall an attractive mare with beautiful color. She'd make a fine trail horse.

HotxtoxTrot · 06-07-2008, 02:19 AM

Starting from the front: Not a very feminine head, but still attractive. She has what I call a "pencil neck"- very scrawney, her neck also attaches too low giving her a ewe-necked appearance. Fine shoulder angle, nice withers. Her back is very long and weak over the loins. She seems to be a bit but high and is very goose-rumped. It appears that she is "herring-gutted", which is when they have a sort of narrow barrow that attaches very high up near their stifles, and from what I can see, she is post legged. She should make a fine trail horse.

Also, what color is she exactly? Her coat is very pretty and I'm not familiar with QH coats!

BeckysWylie · 06-08-2008, 01:30 AM

She was born a bright red dun out of a slate grulla mare and a chestnut stallion. Over the last year (her 4 year old year) she went from red dun, to a dun with black points, to a slate grulla. Then winter of her 5 year old year she turned dun with black points again with smutty patches. This year she shed out with a herring bone pattern on her dorsal and her dun factor markings broke down to dog type brindle marks. She is technically a dun, not sure if she will stay a grulla. She is registered a dun. She carries a brindle gene and coat pattern, she carries a second DNA type as well, one for hair and one for blood. Unsure what you call it besides a heavily dun factored "dun"

HotxtoxTrot · 06-08-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BeckysWylie

She was born a bright red dun out of a slate grulla mare and a chestnut stallion. Over the last year (her 4 year old year) she went from red dun, to a dun with black points, to a slate grulla. Then winter of her 5 year old year she turned dun with black points again with smutty patches. This year she shed out with a herring bone pattern on her dorsal and her dun factor markings broke down to dog type brindle marks. She is technically a dun, not sure if she will stay a grulla. She is registered a dun. She carries a brindle gene and coat pattern, she carries a second DNA type as well, one for hair and one for blood. Unsure what you call it besides a heavily dun factored "dun"

:stunned: WOO-WEE that's a lot of information on coloring! I'm just shocked (in a good way!) at how much detail there is when it comes to QH coats!

BeckysWylie · 06-09-2008, 03:07 AM

I am still learning the coat patterns also, I find them interesting but when it comes to double dilutes and dun factors and roans, etc...I get confused! They say a horse that will change color normally changes to the color it will be by the age of 5, but come on...this is rediculas! I am just glad her breeder registered her as "dun" and nothing else. I mean, she was born the brightest red dun I have ever seen in mylife! I wish she would hurry up and decide what color she is supposed to be.

The color info I posted was basically between 2 colors DUN and GRULLA. But I explained the details of what her color is doing. Sorry for the extreme detail! She is my strange mare, my "horse of a different color"!

Knightrider · 06-09-2008, 05:26 AM

Wow, Tobiesmom and HotxtoxTrot, you two are GOOD! I really admire people who can tell conformation like that! It's a skill I'd love to have. That's why I enjoy this forum. Thank you for your excellent input.

Wolfie · 06-12-2008, 01:43 AM

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she carries a second DNA type as well

Whoa! How does that happen and what does it meant?

Tobiesmom · 06-13-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Whoa! How does that happen and what does it meant?

Is she a chimera??? The theory is that two embryos in utero fuse together into one. When tested after being born, the person/animal is found to carry the DNA of both. Sometimes (in people) the person can be seen to have two slightly different types of skin - a sort of light brindle pattern. Other times, the person is outwardly completely normal, just that their blood will test as a different DNA than their organs, or hair, etc.

cansncattle · 06-13-2008, 12:33 PM

I beleive she is just a red dun. Not grulla.... Could be wrong, But I dont think so... JMO

On The Rocks · 06-13-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobiesmom

Is she a chimera??? The theory is that two embryos in utero fuse together into one. When tested after being born, the person/animal is found to carry the DNA of both. Sometimes (in people) the person can be seen to have two slightly different types of skin - a sort of light brindle pattern. Other times, the person is outwardly completely normal, just that their blood will test as a different DNA than their organs, or hair, etc.

If she is a chimera, wouldn't the AQHA DNA testing come out inaccurate? I know that can obviously throw it off

I'd be interested in knowing!

**Range** · 06-13-2008, 10:45 PM

Yes, if you've had her DNA typed, could you post the results? I've never seen the brindle gene sequence...I wasn't aware there was one. So, I'd love to see the different sequences in the hair and the blood! Can I ask, why did you get her hair typed AND blood typed?

BeckysWylie · 06-16-2008, 07:32 PM

I had both DNA's looked at because there will be a question when I register her filly because i bred her to 2 stallions within 6 weeks. I wanted everything on file. I have no idea what the results were, i sent in the first DNA and for some reason they asked me to send her registration papers back and then there came a question about her parentage. For a courtesy they parentage verified her and it came up her dad but not her mom, so they did it again, same thing. The vet drew blood and it came up her mom and dad. All AQHA did was reprint a new certificate, instead of her old one with a sticker, adn it just says "Parentage Verified" and has a number. AQHA has the rest on file I would assume. Unless something came up abnormal on their end, but the explaination i got was it came up her dad and not her mom, so they requested blood. The AQHA lady said she had 2 DNA types she believed. She then went on to explain the chimerism thing.

Her coat color does not have any red in it now. The rest of her creepy leg hair shed off and it is black, smokey colored. The only slight red is a mahogony color on her dorsal stripe right above her tail. The rest ofher body is a smokey color with the smutty patches of brindle bundles. The brindle is all over her ribs, shoulder, face, neck and flanks. Her dorsal has changed to a herring bone pattern also. Some of these pics were 1-2 years old. Another character of the chimerism, or a true brindle, is the curly mane and tail, and sh ehas that. I can get it straight if I cowboy magic the thing down but the first time she shakes her head it goes back creepy again and I hate messing with it, it annoys me easily!

her filly is a red dun, bright red dun! And has the same creepy brindle pattern all over her legs, shoulder and ribs but red not brown/black.

Foal will be DNA'd because of the 2 stallion thing, so we will see if there is a big problem when the kit finally gets to me and has to get done. I sent in registration applications for all 3 of my foals this year, but none have gone through yet and my check hasn't been cashed yet either. I will post results as soon as I get them.

ahorseofcourse · 06-19-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BeckysWylie

I had both DNA's looked at because there will be a question when I register her filly because i bred her to 2 stallions within 6 weeks.

May I ask why you ended up breeding the mare to 2 stallions within 6 weeks? I've never heard of that before.

Which stallions did you choose for her?

ChasnCans · 06-23-2008, 04:01 PM

she is huge! Too bad she is only trail sound.

BeckysWylie · 06-24-2008, 01:12 AM

I bred her to a homozygous black stud last season ans after repeated attempts she did not take and the contract was running out and the owner was full of mares and wasn't willing to accomodate me anymore, so I bred her to my stallon who was a sorrel. Just becasue of the breeding dates AQHA requires DNA on all possible parents, despite colors and knowing due to the colors who the sire is, I have no problem which it, I would have done it anyways. Thatg lady had a couple studs and is dishonest and who would have known which she covered her with despite the breeding contract. Oh well, I am happy with the cross tomy old stud and the resulting filly. I am keeping all my foals from this year so it worked out in my favor anyways. She has the same expressions as her sire anyways and I miss him deeply!

Just for reference if you are interested, AQHA and from what I am told, APHA has a strict DNA rule when the mare is bred within 30 or so days of 2 seperate studs, just so they know who the sire is and the registrtion papers are correct. It is not a bad thing, I am surprised they don't require it anyways. I know of 2 fillies from 2005 bred by a local lady thyat will come to question when one produces a foal. The lady sold 2 unreg fillies with their breeders certs to a lady. The lady registered the wrong filly under the wrong mare, same sires. Both mares produced the same with thei stud every year, I am really surprised AQHA didn't catch it. The stud is a grulla, one mom is a red dun, the other a bay TB mare. One filly was red dun out of the red dun, the other was a dun with black ponts, out of the TB. The person registered the red dun under the TB and the dun with black points under the red dun mare. Strange but it happened. There would be less of this if the DNA was required at registration. Just my opinion.

kyspottedwalker · 06-24-2008, 11:29 AM

I own TWH and every foal to be reg has to be DNA tested. Which is a great thing. I think every reg should do it.

pvf · 06-24-2008, 11:34 AM

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BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 336	5 year old AQHA mare Breed: AQHA Age: 5 Height: 15hands Uses: Just started under saddle last year to be used as a trail horse due to past injury. Also broodmare due to that injury, prevents her from hard riding or arena work. She is currently still carrying her 2008 foal who was due mid May. __________________ Silly Boys, trucks are for GIRLS!!

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VickiE Conformation Clinic / Product Reviews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,102	How to Critique Horses - read this if you want to comment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are the rules about how to critique horses in the conformation clinic. Please check back here as this forum progresses since we will be making updates as we go along. 1. Be honest but friendly. All horses have flaws -- you can certainly point them out. BUT, do not say things in a way that could be construed as rude or overly negative. Keep all comments focused on the horse. Do not say anything critical about the owner. 2. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Just like how all horses have flaws, they all have good points. If you have something negative to say, be sure to also include a positive comment. Keep things friendly -- give your comments the way you would if a good friend asked you for your opinion. 3. If you don't have anything conformation-related to say, please PM the horse's owner instead of replying in here. People posting in this area are looking for conformation-related responses. Even if you're not well versed in conformation, please don't be shy about trying to critique the horse or ask questions about his/her conformation. But, since this is the conformation clinic, please make sure your response does pertain to conformation! Comments such as "he sure is pretty!" should be made via PM if you aren't also commenting on the horse's conformation. 4. People WILL say things you disagree with. Keep your comments focused on your own ideas, and not reactions to other people's posts. If you think you'll be bothered by seeing comments that you think are "wrong" - then don't visit this forum!!! It is not your job to convince everyone that your opinion is correct. Say what you believe and let others come to their own conclusions. If people have trouble following these rules, we will make critiquing by invitation only. __________________ It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it. George W. Bush

06-06-2008, 09:05 AM
Tobiesmom Weanling Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 444	I like this mare's overall color and size and I think she is well suited for your trail riding. She has a pleasant eye and nice deep hindquarters when viewed from the rear. She is a bit steep in the croup - what some people call a 'running horse' hip and I'd like to see more depth in the hip. She camps under in the rear but not so severly that it would cause her problems. She may also be a bit too straight in the shoulder, it causes her neck to tie in a bit awkwardly. She has a nice thin neck and a pleasant head. She has a bit of an outward bow just between her eyes that detracts from her head a bit, but overall, its a pleasant head. I anticipate that she may tend to travel hard on her front feet, given she is much straighter in the front legs than she is in the rear. As you see in the picture with her head raised - that raised head causes her to look really unattractive in her front half.... personally, I would encourage her to keep her head lower and push off from her hind legs when riding to soften the ride.... otherwise, she may have a tendency to pound the ground with her fronts. Overall an attractive mare with beautiful color. She'd make a fine trail horse.

06-07-2008, 02:19 AM
HotxtoxTrot Yearling Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 768	Starting from the front: Not a very feminine head, but still attractive. She has what I call a "pencil neck"- very scrawney, her neck also attaches too low giving her a ewe-necked appearance. Fine shoulder angle, nice withers. Her back is very long and weak over the loins. She seems to be a bit but high and is very goose-rumped. It appears that she is "herring-gutted", which is when they have a sort of narrow barrow that attaches very high up near their stifles, and from what I can see, she is post legged. She should make a fine trail horse. Also, what color is she exactly? Her coat is very pretty and I'm not familiar with QH coats!

06-08-2008, 01:30 AM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 336	She was born a bright red dun out of a slate grulla mare and a chestnut stallion. Over the last year (her 4 year old year) she went from red dun, to a dun with black points, to a slate grulla. Then winter of her 5 year old year she turned dun with black points again with smutty patches. This year she shed out with a herring bone pattern on her dorsal and her dun factor markings broke down to dog type brindle marks. She is technically a dun, not sure if she will stay a grulla. She is registered a dun. She carries a brindle gene and coat pattern, she carries a second DNA type as well, one for hair and one for blood. Unsure what you call it besides a heavily dun factored "dun" __________________ Silly Boys, trucks are for GIRLS!!

06-09-2008, 03:07 AM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 336	I am still learning the coat patterns also, I find them interesting but when it comes to double dilutes and dun factors and roans, etc...I get confused! They say a horse that will change color normally changes to the color it will be by the age of 5, but come on...this is rediculas! I am just glad her breeder registered her as "dun" and nothing else. I mean, she was born the brightest red dun I have ever seen in mylife! I wish she would hurry up and decide what color she is supposed to be. The color info I posted was basically between 2 colors DUN and GRULLA. But I explained the details of what her color is doing. Sorry for the extreme detail! She is my strange mare, my "horse of a different color"! __________________ Silly Boys, trucks are for GIRLS!!

06-09-2008, 05:26 AM
Knightrider Weanling Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hildreth, Florida Posts: 347	Wow, Tobiesmom and HotxtoxTrot, you two are GOOD! I really admire people who can tell conformation like that! It's a skill I'd love to have. That's why I enjoy this forum. Thank you for your excellent input. __________________ Before each ride, I think to myself, "I hope no one tells me I am 'a heck of a rider.'."

06-13-2008, 12:33 PM
cansncattle Halter broke Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: British Columbia Canada Posts: 122	I beleive she is just a red dun. Not grulla.... Could be wrong, But I dont think so... JMO

06-13-2008, 10:45 PM
Range Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back of Beyond Posts: 5,724	Yes, if you've had her DNA typed, could you post the results? I've never seen the brindle gene sequence...I wasn't aware there was one. So, I'd love to see the different sequences in the hair and the blood! Can I ask, why did you get her hair typed AND blood typed? __________________ If it harms none, do what you will.

06-16-2008, 07:32 PM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 336	I had both DNA's looked at because there will be a question when I register her filly because i bred her to 2 stallions within 6 weeks. I wanted everything on file. I have no idea what the results were, i sent in the first DNA and for some reason they asked me to send her registration papers back and then there came a question about her parentage. For a courtesy they parentage verified her and it came up her dad but not her mom, so they did it again, same thing. The vet drew blood and it came up her mom and dad. All AQHA did was reprint a new certificate, instead of her old one with a sticker, adn it just says "Parentage Verified" and has a number. AQHA has the rest on file I would assume. Unless something came up abnormal on their end, but the explaination i got was it came up her dad and not her mom, so they requested blood. The AQHA lady said she had 2 DNA types she believed. She then went on to explain the chimerism thing. Her coat color does not have any red in it now. The rest of her creepy leg hair shed off and it is black, smokey colored. The only slight red is a mahogony color on her dorsal stripe right above her tail. The rest ofher body is a smokey color with the smutty patches of brindle bundles. The brindle is all over her ribs, shoulder, face, neck and flanks. Her dorsal has changed to a herring bone pattern also. Some of these pics were 1-2 years old. Another character of the chimerism, or a true brindle, is the curly mane and tail, and sh ehas that. I can get it straight if I cowboy magic the thing down but the first time she shakes her head it goes back creepy again and I hate messing with it, it annoys me easily! her filly is a red dun, bright red dun! And has the same creepy brindle pattern all over her legs, shoulder and ribs but red not brown/black. Foal will be DNA'd because of the 2 stallion thing, so we will see if there is a big problem when the kit finally gets to me and has to get done. I sent in registration applications for all 3 of my foals this year, but none have gone through yet and my check hasn't been cashed yet either. I will post results as soon as I get them. __________________ Silly Boys, trucks are for GIRLS!! Last edited by BeckysWylie : 06-16-2008 at 07:36 PM.

06-23-2008, 04:01 PM
ChasnCans Coming two Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KS Posts: 1,561	she is huge! Too bad she is only trail sound. __________________ In memory of baby Mayln Marie Loyd. I love and miss you! (Aug 13th-Oct 29th)While he may knock over a barrel he will never break my heart

06-24-2008, 01:12 AM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 336	I bred her to a homozygous black stud last season ans after repeated attempts she did not take and the contract was running out and the owner was full of mares and wasn't willing to accomodate me anymore, so I bred her to my stallon who was a sorrel. Just becasue of the breeding dates AQHA requires DNA on all possible parents, despite colors and knowing due to the colors who the sire is, I have no problem which it, I would have done it anyways. Thatg lady had a couple studs and is dishonest and who would have known which she covered her with despite the breeding contract. Oh well, I am happy with the cross tomy old stud and the resulting filly. I am keeping all my foals from this year so it worked out in my favor anyways. She has the same expressions as her sire anyways and I miss him deeply! Just for reference if you are interested, AQHA and from what I am told, APHA has a strict DNA rule when the mare is bred within 30 or so days of 2 seperate studs, just so they know who the sire is and the registrtion papers are correct. It is not a bad thing, I am surprised they don't require it anyways. I know of 2 fillies from 2005 bred by a local lady thyat will come to question when one produces a foal. The lady sold 2 unreg fillies with their breeders certs to a lady. The lady registered the wrong filly under the wrong mare, same sires. Both mares produced the same with thei stud every year, I am really surprised AQHA didn't catch it. The stud is a grulla, one mom is a red dun, the other a bay TB mare. One filly was red dun out of the red dun, the other was a dun with black ponts, out of the TB. The person registered the red dun under the TB and the dun with black points under the red dun mare. Strange but it happened. There would be less of this if the DNA was required at registration. Just my opinion. __________________ Silly Boys, trucks are for GIRLS!!

06-24-2008, 11:29 AM
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06-24-2008, 11:34 AM
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