15 year old AQHA stallion

[BeckysWylie]

Breed: AQHA and NFQHA
Age: 15
Height: 14.3-15hands
Gender: Stallion
Uses: Cattle drives, cutting, reining, penning, heeling, doctoring cattle, trail riding and breeding. He has also done barrels a little. He is a grandson of Docs Jack Frost and Peppy San. Pedigree can be seen on allbreedpedigree under the name Peppy Pine San. I just bought him about 2 months ago, and he follows me everywhere so it is hard to get a good picture of him set up, these are the best I could scrouge up!

[pvf]

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[seerfarm]

the OP is looking for Confirmation Opinions.

[cowgirlspurs]

well let's start at the top-and these comments are based on what those pictures ARE showing.
He has an attractive head-attaches nicely at the jowl although it is a little thick-his neck is long-however it ties in very low to the shoulder. This gives the ewe-necked look-his hip is very short-tail set is very high making him goose-rumped.
His shoulder angle do not match his hip angle or his pastern angles (should have a trapazoid appearance), he appears straight through the front legs-but it is really hard to tell otherwise in those pics.

[snickers]

Originally Posted by cowgirlspurs

well let's start at the top-and these comments are based on what those pictures ARE showing.
He has an attractive head-attaches nicely at the jowl although it is a little thick-his neck is long-however it ties in very low to the shoulder. This gives the ewe-necked look-his hip is very short-tail set is very high making him goose-rumped.
His shoulder angle do not match his hip angle or his pastern angles (should have a trapazoid appearance), he appears straight through the front legs-but it is really hard to tell otherwise in those pics.

Adding to this, he looks straight in the front legs and his hoofs look off, cant pin point it. Maybe the pics.
Looks to have very short pasterns.

[yellowhorsesinc]

I will start at the front and work backwards...
This horse has a nice head with an alert and intelligent look about him and small crisp ears. He has a nice long neck that ties in nicely at the wither but a bit low at the bottom. It does give him a poor underline on his neck. His shoulder is a little straighter than I would like and he is narrow through the heart girth. He has a weak topline with a poor loin attachment and a very short croup with a high tail set. His angles through the shoulder and hip are not well matching so he is a bit unbalanced.
He has a good set of legs on him with decent bone, and a nicely matching set of cannon bones. If you look at his hind legs, the hocks are even with the chestnuts in the front even though he is bit straight with little angulation. That is an ideal hock placement for balance, and his hocks are in the bottom half of his hind leg giving him what you would call "low set hocks" which will make him a bit more agile than a horse with high set hocks.

[cameo05]

Originally Posted by seerfarm

Cameo, I would not think to reply to either breeding stallion or rideability.

Remember, this is the confirmation area so I would think, the OP is looking for Confirmation Opinions.

Sometimes they look for comformational issues for certain things, that was why I was asking. I just wanted to be completely fair to the OP and her nice looking horse. This question is asked alot in this area. Like the question is usually asked on Intended Use...

[arabiancowgirl]

Originally Posted by yellowhorsesinc

I will start at the front and work backwards...
This horse has a nice head with an alert and intelligent look about him and small crisp ears. He has a nice long neck that ties in nicely at the wither but a bit low at the bottom. It does give him a poor underline on his neck. His shoulder is a little straighter than I would like and he is narrow through the heart girth. He has a weak topline with a poor loin attachment and a very short croup with a high tail set. His angles through the shoulder and hip are not well matching so he is a bit unbalanced.
He has a good set of legs on him with decent bone, and a nicely matching set of cannon bones. If you look at his hind legs, the hocks are even with the chestnuts in the front even though he is bit straight with little angulation. That is an ideal hock placement for balance, and his hocks are in the bottom half of his hind leg giving him what you would call "low set hocks" which will make him a bit more agile than a horse with high set hocks.

Well said

[Horse poor]

Seems out of balance to me. Neck to long for body, thin through the heart girth, tail to high, angles don't seem to match between shoulders and hip.

Love his head and nice alert ears.

[Crookedblaze]

I gotta agree with yellowhorsesinc.

He does look like a really sweet horse - he just has that look. He also has good color. Get someone to hold him and get some really good pictures of him...as a professional photographer, I would say that a good picture would make a world of difference.

[pvf]

Please remember that all comments need to be on conformation. Not wether the horse should be a stallion or not.

Better pictures would make a big difference. I know some horses can be hard to get good pictures of.

[BeckysWylie]

I live 45 miles from town and further from my nearest friend. The pics where he is being held were taken the day I bought him. He had sat in a stall for 2 years while the family of his deceased owner figured out what to do with him. My friend went with me to pick him up, so she held him. I have to admit, when I first got him he looked strange to me during the pics, he stretched himself out more then most horses I'd seen and handled, but he was a gentleman. I am still getting used ot his hip. From everyone who has seen him in person all say he has a "Sun Frost" hip. I have not been able to loacte a pic online of Sun Frost so I have no idea what it looks like, but it is a hip that Docs Jack Frost throws. If anyone is not familiar with Docs Jack Frost, he is the sire of Sun Frost, who in turn is the sire of Frenchmans Guy. Docs Jack Frost is the grandsire of my boy, like Frenchmans Guy. But besides pedigree, I am uploading the rest of my decent pics on photobucket and will post them asap. They might give a little more insight to what you all need to or want to see.

Everyone has their own opinion on breeding quality, so opinions on this topic don't bother me, I like my horse and he will remain a stallion for my breeding program. My new boy has proven himself through his offspring, even the ones that are not registered. His deceased owner was a drunk and only registered offspring on the 4 horses his family kept. This horse had 47 offspring unaccounted for in registry, but the owners of them love them and say they are great honest using horses with a lot of cow and speed. And for a 15 year old stallion, he is still sound after all his many years of hard ranch use and breeding.

These photos taken the same day.

[HotxtoxTrot]

Originally Posted by yellowhorsesinc

I will start at the front and work backwards...
This horse has a nice head with an alert and intelligent look about him and small crisp ears. He has a nice long neck that ties in nicely at the wither but a bit low at the bottom. It does give him a poor underline on his neck. His shoulder is a little straighter than I would like and he is narrow through the heart girth. He has a weak topline with a poor loin attachment and a very short croup with a high tail set. His angles through the shoulder and hip are not well matching so he is a bit unbalanced.
He has a good set of legs on him with decent bone, and a nicely matching set of cannon bones. If you look at his hind legs, the hocks are even with the chestnuts in the front even though he is bit straight with little angulation. That is an ideal hock placement for balance, and his hocks are in the bottom half of his hind leg giving him what you would call "low set hocks" which will make him a bit more agile than a horse with high set hocks.

Agreed, even seeing the new pictures.