coming 4 year old Khemosabi bred mare Head shots added!!

[dreamer1]

I would like your guys input on my mare KHEMOSASHA.She is a coming 4 year old KHEMOSABI++++// bred mare.I plan on to maybe show her depending on time/money and than breed her to Amadeus in the future and possibly another stallion I know..so lets here it.Pics were taken by SWEETWATERARABIANS and she said I could use them.Maybe she will chime in and tell us all how old sasha was in these pics!!!and any other info she would like to share about her...







and this is a pic of her grandsire the one and only KHEMOSABI++++//

[seerfarm]

AAAHHHHH, Gorgeous! This girl really took on her daddy's traits.

I love just about everything in this girl. Only thing I don't see is the very distinquishing dish to her head and her jaw is a tad light, not as rounded and pronounced. I know she is in pasture shape so the bit of thickness in her throatlatch is just conditioning. Now, nice and wide across the eyes, very alert ears and a soft eye. Long lovely neck, with work to shape and tone truely elegant. Great angles to her shoulder which match up overall, and again with work some muscling. High withers and a good topline, to a light but nicely shaped hip. Again an area that with work with round out and muscle. Maybe just a tad high on the croup set, but great carriage. Nice deep heartgirth and underline. Legs are straight and clean, normal matching short cannon angles with good size feet. Again, a light hip, upright rear cannons, as true to her breeding. Maybe a slight bit behind on her rear hoofs beyond that of the norm for her breeding. All in all, this girl is true to her breeding. Lovely to look at and of sound confirmation. Looking forward to seeing this girl go out and accomplish great things.

[wildcat180]

Do you have any better pictures of her head? From these, I see nothing of the tell tale dish.

[InTheIrons]

The angle of her shoulders suggest that her gait is very free, thus making her a very wonderful candidate for Saddleseat Discipline. The way her neck fits into her withers is absolutely flawless, and her back seems to be very strong. Also by her confirmation she seems to be very powerful off the back end also allowing her to be a wonderful candidate for Saddleseat discipline. By the way you have a very beautiful horse.

[Faceman]

Nice mare - the primary weakness I see is the non-typey head - I don't think I would be able to identify her as an Arab from a headshot, which is unusual. She does have a relatively sparse hip, but diet and conditioning might remedy that, plus help attenuate the high croup. She appears to have very good bone, and of course her neck is classic.

[dreamer1]

Thanks everyone.I know she don't have the "CLASSIC" arabian dish face..But her pedigree and performance is what really counts in my book!!!

Here is an over all body shot in action



Some head shots





and another body shot



and her pedigree!!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/khemosasha+sa

[InTheIrons]

I know this is off the topic, but what discipline are thinking of accomplishing with her?

[Crazy4paints]

I like her all but her ears, but large ears are allowed on a mare. Otherwise I think she is nice.

[wildcat180]

I have to agree with Faceman, particularly about her head. Normally, I think the breed has gone too far in the other direction with the typey head, to the point where the horses look very odd, but I do like to see a good amount of "typeiness". One of the easiest ways to tell an Arab is an Arab is by their heads, and with this mare, that's not easily done.

She may have the pedigree, but that only goes so far. Some of the top horses have produced junk and some of the no names have produced champions. Generally, I only look at a pedigree for an idea of what the horse can do. I mean, what difference does it make if a horse has more champions than not in a pedigree if they themselves can't do anything?

Other than that, I like the overall look of her body and I love her neck.

I'd love to see how she looks in a year or so, and with conditioning.

Do you plan on showing her?

[dreamer1]

My main concern is to get AMADEUS shown but if time/money allow I will show sasha in sport horse and Hunter under saddle.

[Codalena]

Hi.Im sorry to cut in, as Im new to the forum, but I really like this mare. The only thing I realy see as "not typical "arabian is her head ,doesnt have the dish you normally see in the arab breed. I think she has a very pretty head, just not what you normally see in the arabs. I agree with Wildcat180 about pedigree 100%. Very pretty mare you have there!!

[dreamer1]

Well as far as her pedigree it's to early to fault her on not being able to hold up to it as for she has not been SHOWN yet!!! Time will tell.

[Crazy4paints]

Yep, Time often tells the whole story.

[sweetwaterarabians]

As the breeder of this mare and her dam I know her faults and strengths inside and out. I don't know why such a big deal is being made about her head. Sure, she doesn't have a dish or a "classic" head but she still has a very Arab and pretty head. Just look at the historical photos of the early Arabs and see how many dishes you saw. Most had a straight profile. She has small, tight ears for a mare; nice large liquid eyes. She looks very much like her breeding. She has double Muslin breeding fairly close up and I see him a lot in her. Here's a few photos of Muslin:




Muslin was a paternal brother to Muscat who is/was a very popular breeding stallion. His head was very plain yet still pretty. Shaped more like a QH from the side yet he sired some of the most beautiful heads.

Both Sasha's sire and dam had very similar heads. Her dam was sired by a stallion with a very exotic head but with his breeding it was one of those accidental heads. He didn't really have many heads like his in his pedigree and he didn't really pas down his dish. He passed on his look but not exotically dished faces like his own unless he was bred to an exotic mare. Here's a couple of photos of my mare (Sasha's dam)




I think that Dreamer1 should look for a stallion with a short coupled with a very strong loin and hip. A prettier head would help but that's only cosmetic. Her colt looks like he will be very strong in this area and should be a really nice match for her. I know what a great mover Sasha is and she comes from a family of great moving horses. I've seen super built horses that "conformation wise" looked nearly flawless but couldn't move to save their lives. Sasha's a horse that could do just about any discipline you choose to put her in and I'm not the only person who thinks so. I had a lot of really nice comments on her when I had her.

[eclectic]

Within the Arab industry the head is important but not the be-all end-all of their existence.

Alot of Polish lines are known for being plain headed. Polish and now French arabian horses were bred strictly for their ability to be working/performance horses without the emphasis on having a dishy head. Utility/versatility was/is the key. Although, Poland outcrosses occasionally to beautify their horses heads. After all you can't ride the head.

I realize most folks equate arabians with their dishy heads but the real key to arabians is their versatility. I must say that Sasha has lovely conformation and time will tell, as many have already said, how she will do.

Dreamer, enjoy the journey! We will watch with anticipation and support

[dreamer1]

Thanks sweetwater for all your info on sasha.and your right her head does look more typie in person..and when she's out sturting around there is no mistaken she's an "ARAB"..and like Eclectic said can't ride the head..I do thank everyone for there input...

[Faceman]

Originally Posted by sweetwaterarabians

As the breeder of this mare and her dam I know her faults and strengths inside and out. I don't know why such a big deal is being made about her head.

I'm not sure a big deal is being made about her head. This is a conformation clinic thread. Her head is obviously a weakness, at least in my view. It is appropriate and constructive to point out both strong and weak points and opinions here, which is the whole point of this forum topic.

Of course you don't ride the head - I don't believe too many people think you do. But the OP didn't state what type of showing she planned to do - whether halter or performance, so we can only speculate. In halter, the head is important because it is not anything you can work on, condition, emphasize, or mask - it is just out there as is...

[wildcat180]

Originally Posted by sweetwaterarabians

As the breeder of this mare and her dam I know her faults and strengths inside and out. I don't know why such a big deal is being made about her head.

It's not that a big deal is being made about her head. This is the conformation clinic, and like it or not, it is a fault.

The breed standard:
"B. Classic Arabian Type
i. Head—When compared to other breeds, the Arabian’s head appears
small and refined. Characteristics include: large and wide-set eyes, bulging
forehead, dished face, flaring nostrils, small and refined muzzle, rounded
jaw wide between the branches, small and close-set ears.
ii. Neck—A clean, or tight, throatlatch is an Arabian characteristic, as is a
long and arched neck tying in high to the chest and withers
iii. Shoulder—A long and sloping shoulder will be well-covered in muscle.
iv. Topline—The Arabian will appear relatively flat through the croup.
The tail is set high and often carried high.
v. Barrel—Ribs are well sprung
vi. Legs—Well muscled forearm and gaskin, straight and sound bone, large
and defined joints, long and sloping pasterns, round and proportionate feet.
vii. Size—14.1h to 15.1h is considered the Arabian breed standard."

It's a breed standard and she doesn't have it. There's no need to get sensitive over it. There is no perfectly conformed horse...

[sweetwaterarabians]

A couple of pictures of Sasha under saddle.

[pvf]

A reminder to everyone that this is a conformation clinic only..
Any other posts will be deleted. If you want to open a decision about a particular horse please do so in meet the horses.