tell me about this pedigree!

mustang_hope22 · 09-04-2008, 03:27 PM

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could tell me about this pedigree?? thanks... http://www.aqhamembers.com/IFS/34676...000000000.html

thanks again!

**Diamond_Y** · 09-04-2008, 03:39 PM

What specific questions do you have? I see a nice mix of horses I like, Doc Quixote, Skipper W, and Sugar Bars, but they are all pretty far back. I'm sure if you have specific questions, some of our members can answer them for you.

mustang_hope22 · 09-04-2008, 03:45 PM

well I just want to know if the horse's pedigree is a well mix of good horses and what type of discipline do most of the horses in the pedigree do (mostly reining; pleasure; that horse is a good breeding stallion (produced good foals)) thats mostly what I would like to know....thanks guys...

mustang_hope22 · 09-04-2008, 04:01 PM

anyone???

ThorArb · 09-04-2008, 04:14 PM

Docs Quixote- NCHA Futurity 1973 Non-Pro Champion
NCHA COA
NCHA Earnings $3729

Doc Quixote Equi-stat #7 all time producing sire
Equi-stat # 6 Maternal Grandsire
Equi-stat # 12 Paternal Grandsire

Doc Quixote offspring's have earned in excess of $10 million, of which 4 are in the top 10 money earners to include:
#1 Poco Quixote Rio LTE $ 1,108,773 #1 All Time Cutting Money Earner
# 6 Docs Okie Quixote LTE $ 637,707
# 8 Cash Quixote Rio LTE $ 604,742 NCHA Hall of Fame
# 10 Jazzote LTE $ 586,212 NCHA Hall of Fame
thus bringing Doc Quixote to be the only sire in history to have produce 4 offspring's with LTE in excess of $500,000

Doc Quixote being the only sire to produce an offspring with LTE in excess of 1 million dollars is(gelding) Poco Quixote Rio, the only full sibling to Poco Quixote Rio (out of Poco Lady Liz)is (Stallion) Soft Currency

Two Eyed Jack- Hall of Fame
Superior Halter
AQHA Champion
ROM Performance
Halter Point Earner
Performance Point Earner

Offspring:
Supreme Champion Offspring
World Champion Offspring
Reserve World Champion Offspring
Top Ten World Show Offspring
Superior Halter Offspring
Superior Performance Offspring
AQHA High Point Performance Offspring
AQHA Champion Offspring

Skipper W-Superior Halter Offspring
Superior Performance Offspring
AQHA Champion Offspring
ROM Performance Offspring
Race ROM Offspring
NCHA Money-earners
Race Money-earners

Offspring:
General Skip ('55 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '60 AQHA Champion, 39 HLT & 18 Perf Pts.
Sailalong ('56 Chestnut Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '56 AQHA Champion, 26 HLT & 64 Perf Pts.
Silver Skip ('54 Palomino Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '58 AQHA Champion, 13 HLT & 41 Perf Pts.
Sirlette, Superior HLT, Performance, & AQHA Champion Sire
Skip Beau ('63 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '68 AQHA Champion, 49 HLT & 12 Perf Pts.
Skip On ('57 Palomino Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '61 AQHA Champion, 29 HLT & 33 Perf Pts.
Skip Sir Bar ('62 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '66 AQHA Champion, 54 HLT & 74 Perf Pts.
Skipadoo, 44 HLT Pts.
Skipette ('59 Sorrel, Mare), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '65 AQHA Champion; 113 HLT, 61 Perf Pts., '64 Hi-Pt Calf-Roping Mare
Skipity Skip ('53 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '60 AQHA Champion, 29 HLT & 12 Perf Pts.
Skipper Jr. ('51 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '58 AQHA Champion, 17 HLT & 9 Perf Pts.
Skipperette ('50), 39 HLT Pts.
Skippers King
Skipper's Prince ('56 Chestnut Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '62 AQHA Champion, 60 HLT & 44 Perf Pts.
Skipper's Smoke ('56 Palomino, Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '62 AQHA Champion; 100 HLT, 64.5 Perf Pts.
Skip's Dilly ('63 Palomino Mare), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '66 AQHA Champion, 33 HLT & 91 Perf Pts.
Skip's Ink ('61 Gray Mare), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '65 AQHA Champion, 54 HLT & 15 Perf Pts.

Sugar Bars-Hall of Fame
ROM Performance
Race money-earner
Halter Point Earner

Offspring:
World Champion Offspring
Reserve World Champion Offspring
Superior Halter Offspring
Superior Performance Offspring
AQHA Champion Offspring
ROM Performance Offspring
Race ROM Offspring
NCHA Money-earners
Race Money-earners

Albar, si 95, 6 wins, $1,528 RC; 18 HLT points;, '66 O AHQA Champ.;
Apollo Girl, 1 HLT & 160 performance points;, '72 O Superior WP;
Bar Face, si 100, 9 wins, $77,726 RC;, 1st Ruidoso Futurity $58,850;
Bar Flit, 82 HLT & 5 performance points;, '60 O Superior HLT;
Bar Gal, 13 HLT & 42.5 performance points;, '66 O AQHA Champ.;
Bar Pistol, 35 HLT & 19 performance points; AQHA Champ. Sire & Superior HLt Sire, '61 O AQHA Champ.;
Bar Room, 32 performance points;, '72 O HI PT CR Geld.;
Bars Bailey, 47 HLT & 27.5 performance points;, '62 O AQHA Champ.;
Bar's Bert, 17 HLT & 15 performance points;, '64 O AQHA Champ.;
Bars Riker, 26 HLT & 17.5 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.;
Bit O'Sugar, 205 HLT & 128 performance points;, Superior HLT & HUS; '71 Y AQHA Champ.;
Char Bar, si 85, 7 wins, $6,244 RC; 14 HLT points;, '67 O AQHA Champ.;
Clink Chugie, 25 performance points;, '74 O World Champ. JR HL;
Connie Reb, si 100; $18,066 RC
Connie Reba, si 100, 7 wins, $16,773 RC; 15 HLT points;, '63 O AQHA Champ.;
Counterplay, si 100, 10 wins, $25,797 RC; 57 HLT & 10 performance points;, '67 Superior RC Horse; '68 O AQHA Champ.; '71 Superior HLT;
Dan's Sugar Bars, AAA; si 95, 3 wins, $9,475 RC; 19 HLT points;, '64 O AQHA Champ.;
Dean's Bonita, 37 HLT & 385 performance points;, '78 AQHA Champ.; Superior WP & Show.;
Dean's Sweet Speed, 36 HLT & 11 performance points;, '74 O AQHA Champ.; '74 RC ROM;
Denny's Sugarman, 33 HLT & 22.5 performance points;, '67 AQHA Champ.;
Figure 8 Bars, si 95, 9 wins, $1,956 RC; 12 HLT points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; '64 1st All Around Champ.;
Gofar Bar, si 100, 3 wins, $3,004 RC; 16 HLT points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.;
Hesa Sugar, si 75, 2 wins, $296 RC; 20 HLT & 96 performance points;, '70 O Superior WP; '71 O AQHA Champ.;
Indian Sugar, 8 HLT & 266 performance points;, '77 O & '81 Y Superior WP;
Jay's Sugar Bars, 131 performance points;, '70 O Superior RN; '70 O HI PT RN;
Judge Sulena, 166 HLT & 1,348 performance points;, '74 AQHA Champ.; Superior HUS, WP, HLT, Show.;
Justice Bars, si 95, 6 wins, $9,079 RC; 32 HLT & 18 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.;
Kool Bars, 34 HLT & 13.5 performance points;, '68 O AQHA Champ.;
Little Bit A Sugar, 89 HLT & 136 performance points;, '74 Y AQHA Champ.; '74 O Superior HLT & WP;
Mr Cabin Bar, 57 HLT & 17 performance points;, '70 Superior HLT;
Mr Sugar Boy, 41 performance points;, '74 O 2nd NCHA finals; '76 O 3rd NCHA World Champ.;
Nice N Sweet, 44 HLT & 527 performance points;, '78 AQHA Champ.; '80 Res. World Champ.; Superior WP, TR,;
Otoe, AAA, si 95, 5 wins, $4,595 RC;Sire of 22 AQHA Champ., '62 O AQHA Champ.; '63 O Superior HLT;
Paula's Sugar Man, 245 performance points;, '77 O Superior WP & HUS; '79 O Res. World Champ. SR WH;
Poco D Bar, 12 HLT & 21 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.;
Quick Henry, si 95, 3 wins, $3,002 RC; 25 HLT & 1 performance points;, '66 O AQHA Champ.;
Shugar Cat, 6 HLT & 172 performance points;, '80 O Superior WR;
Shugar Jet, si 84, 1 win, $728 RC; 6 HLT & 140 performance points;
Suga Buck, si 88, 13,1,1,1; $340
Sugar Antique, si 102, 3 wins, $8,571 RC,'74 Race ROM, '72 2nd OR Bred Juvenile Champions - $3,104
Sugar Bar Dell, 13 HLT & 97.5 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; '69 O Superior RN;
Sugar Bars Boy, si 85, 4 wins, $972 RC; 32 HLT & 11.5 performance points;, '68 O AQHA Champ.;
Sugar Bars Junior, 2 HLT & 71 performance points;, '76 O Superior WP;
Sugar Billy Van, 21 HLT & 16.5 performance points;, '67 O AQHA Champ.;
Sugar Bull, 24 HLT & 23.5 performance points;, '67 O AQHA Champ.;
Sugar Capri, 70 HLT points;, '73 O Superior HLT;
Sugar Joe Reed, si 95, 3 wins, $841 RC; 19 HLT & 96 performance points;, '71 O AQHA Champ.; '74 O Superior WP;
Sugar Leda, 379 HLT & 5 performance points;, '68 Honor Roll HLT Horse; '68 O Superior HLT;
Sugar Leo, si 95, 5 wins, $1,363 RC; 32 HLT points;, '63 O AQHA Champ.;
Sugar Line, 120 performance points;, '76 O Superior RN; '76 O HI PT JR RN & RN;
Sugar Maker, si 75, 1 win, $129 RC; 12 HLT & 31.5 performance points;, '66 O AQHA Champ.;
Sugar Select, 103 performance points;, '84 Superior CUT;
Sugar Three Bars, si 79, 1 win, $404 RC; 1 HLT & 94 performance points;, '75 O Superior WP;
Sugaree Bars, si 95, 5 wins, $3,216 RC; 18 HLT points;, '62 O AQHA Champ.;
Sugar's Cookie, 19 HLT & 68 performance points;, '72 O Superior WP;
Sure I'm Sugar, 223 performance points;, Superior HUS & WP;
Sweeter Than, 33 HLT & 111 performance points;, '74 Y AQHA Champ.; '74 Y Superior WP;
Three Sugars, 1 HLT & 163 performance points;, '74 Superior WP;
Three Sweet Bars, 54 HLT & 138 performance points;, '76 Y AQHA Champ.;
Vanna Bar, si 100, 20 wins, $21,988 RC; 12 HLT points;, '63 Superior RC Horse; '67 O AQHA Champ.;

Those are basically the only names that stick out to me in this horse's pedigree. They are also farther back, the closest up being Docs Quixote. It seems to me this horse should be an excellent cow horse. Or at least something of the like.

Brittany

lopintoo · 09-04-2008, 09:12 PM

Well, the Skipper W, Two Eyed Jack, and Sugar Bars horses did many things and were (still are) very versatile. The Quixote horses are primarily cow horses. We own and stand a son of Doc Quixote. Our horse is definitely a working type horse - in conformation and athletic ability, but he rides and moves as smooth as silk, so could have pleasured when he was much younger, but he's cow horse thru and thru.

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09-04-2008, 03:27 PM
mustang_hope22 Halter broke Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 138	tell me about this pedigree! Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could tell me about this pedigree?? thanks... http://www.aqhamembers.com/IFS/34676...000000000.html thanks again!

09-04-2008, 03:39 PM
Diamond_Y Administrator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Texas Posts: 3,624	What specific questions do you have? I see a nice mix of horses I like, Doc Quixote, Skipper W, and Sugar Bars, but they are all pretty far back. I'm sure if you have specific questions, some of our members can answer them for you. __________________ Diamond Y Quarter Horses - Breeders of Quality Foundation Quarter Horses Home of King of Cooke County, 2004 Perlino son of Cooke County ETC

09-04-2008, 03:45 PM
mustang_hope22 Halter broke Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 138	well I just want to know if the horse's pedigree is a well mix of good horses and what type of discipline do most of the horses in the pedigree do (mostly reining; pleasure; that horse is a good breeding stallion (produced good foals)) thats mostly what I would like to know....thanks guys...

09-04-2008, 04:01 PM
mustang_hope22 Halter broke Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 138	anyone???

09-04-2008, 04:14 PM
ThorArb Kid Safe Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Conyers, GA Posts: 5,443	Docs Quixote- NCHA Futurity 1973 Non-Pro Champion NCHA COA NCHA Earnings $3729 Doc Quixote Equi-stat #7 all time producing sire Equi-stat # 6 Maternal Grandsire Equi-stat # 12 Paternal Grandsire Doc Quixote offspring's have earned in excess of $10 million, of which 4 are in the top 10 money earners to include: #1 Poco Quixote Rio LTE $ 1,108,773 #1 All Time Cutting Money Earner # 6 Docs Okie Quixote LTE $ 637,707 # 8 Cash Quixote Rio LTE $ 604,742 NCHA Hall of Fame # 10 Jazzote LTE $ 586,212 NCHA Hall of Fame thus bringing Doc Quixote to be the only sire in history to have produce 4 offspring's with LTE in excess of $500,000 Doc Quixote being the only sire to produce an offspring with LTE in excess of 1 million dollars is(gelding) Poco Quixote Rio, the only full sibling to Poco Quixote Rio (out of Poco Lady Liz)is (Stallion) Soft Currency Two Eyed Jack- Hall of Fame Superior Halter AQHA Champion ROM Performance Halter Point Earner Performance Point Earner Offspring: Supreme Champion Offspring World Champion Offspring Reserve World Champion Offspring Top Ten World Show Offspring Superior Halter Offspring Superior Performance Offspring AQHA High Point Performance Offspring AQHA Champion Offspring Skipper W-Superior Halter Offspring Superior Performance Offspring AQHA Champion Offspring ROM Performance Offspring Race ROM Offspring NCHA Money-earners Race Money-earners Offspring: General Skip ('55 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '60 AQHA Champion, 39 HLT & 18 Perf Pts. Sailalong ('56 Chestnut Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '56 AQHA Champion, 26 HLT & 64 Perf Pts. Silver Skip ('54 Palomino Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '58 AQHA Champion, 13 HLT & 41 Perf Pts. Sirlette, Superior HLT, Performance, & AQHA Champion Sire Skip Beau ('63 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '68 AQHA Champion, 49 HLT & 12 Perf Pts. Skip On ('57 Palomino Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '61 AQHA Champion, 29 HLT & 33 Perf Pts. Skip Sir Bar ('62 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '66 AQHA Champion, 54 HLT & 74 Perf Pts. Skipadoo, 44 HLT Pts. Skipette ('59 Sorrel, Mare), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '65 AQHA Champion; 113 HLT, 61 Perf Pts., '64 Hi-Pt Calf-Roping Mare Skipity Skip ('53 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '60 AQHA Champion, 29 HLT & 12 Perf Pts. Skipper Jr. ('51 Sorrel Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '58 AQHA Champion, 17 HLT & 9 Perf Pts. Skipperette ('50), 39 HLT Pts. Skippers King Skipper's Prince ('56 Chestnut Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '62 AQHA Champion, 60 HLT & 44 Perf Pts. Skipper's Smoke ('56 Palomino, Stallion), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '62 AQHA Champion; 100 HLT, 64.5 Perf Pts. Skip's Dilly ('63 Palomino Mare), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '66 AQHA Champion, 33 HLT & 91 Perf Pts. Skip's Ink ('61 Gray Mare), Breeder: H. J. Wiescamp; '65 AQHA Champion, 54 HLT & 15 Perf Pts. Sugar Bars-Hall of Fame ROM Performance Race money-earner Halter Point Earner Offspring: World Champion Offspring Reserve World Champion Offspring Superior Halter Offspring Superior Performance Offspring AQHA Champion Offspring ROM Performance Offspring Race ROM Offspring NCHA Money-earners Race Money-earners Albar, si 95, 6 wins, $1,528 RC; 18 HLT points;, '66 O AHQA Champ.; Apollo Girl, 1 HLT & 160 performance points;, '72 O Superior WP; Bar Face, si 100, 9 wins, $77,726 RC;, 1st Ruidoso Futurity $58,850; Bar Flit, 82 HLT & 5 performance points;, '60 O Superior HLT; Bar Gal, 13 HLT & 42.5 performance points;, '66 O AQHA Champ.; Bar Pistol, 35 HLT & 19 performance points; AQHA Champ. Sire & Superior HLt Sire, '61 O AQHA Champ.; Bar Room, 32 performance points;, '72 O HI PT CR Geld.; Bars Bailey, 47 HLT & 27.5 performance points;, '62 O AQHA Champ.; Bar's Bert, 17 HLT & 15 performance points;, '64 O AQHA Champ.; Bars Riker, 26 HLT & 17.5 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; Bit O'Sugar, 205 HLT & 128 performance points;, Superior HLT & HUS; '71 Y AQHA Champ.; Char Bar, si 85, 7 wins, $6,244 RC; 14 HLT points;, '67 O AQHA Champ.; Clink Chugie, 25 performance points;, '74 O World Champ. JR HL; Connie Reb, si 100; $18,066 RC Connie Reba, si 100, 7 wins, $16,773 RC; 15 HLT points;, '63 O AQHA Champ.; Counterplay, si 100, 10 wins, $25,797 RC; 57 HLT & 10 performance points;, '67 Superior RC Horse; '68 O AQHA Champ.; '71 Superior HLT; Dan's Sugar Bars, AAA; si 95, 3 wins, $9,475 RC; 19 HLT points;, '64 O AQHA Champ.; Dean's Bonita, 37 HLT & 385 performance points;, '78 AQHA Champ.; Superior WP & Show.; Dean's Sweet Speed, 36 HLT & 11 performance points;, '74 O AQHA Champ.; '74 RC ROM; Denny's Sugarman, 33 HLT & 22.5 performance points;, '67 AQHA Champ.; Figure 8 Bars, si 95, 9 wins, $1,956 RC; 12 HLT points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; '64 1st All Around Champ.; Gofar Bar, si 100, 3 wins, $3,004 RC; 16 HLT points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; Hesa Sugar, si 75, 2 wins, $296 RC; 20 HLT & 96 performance points;, '70 O Superior WP; '71 O AQHA Champ.; Indian Sugar, 8 HLT & 266 performance points;, '77 O & '81 Y Superior WP; Jay's Sugar Bars, 131 performance points;, '70 O Superior RN; '70 O HI PT RN; Judge Sulena, 166 HLT & 1,348 performance points;, '74 AQHA Champ.; Superior HUS, WP, HLT, Show.; Justice Bars, si 95, 6 wins, $9,079 RC; 32 HLT & 18 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; Kool Bars, 34 HLT & 13.5 performance points;, '68 O AQHA Champ.; Little Bit A Sugar, 89 HLT & 136 performance points;, '74 Y AQHA Champ.; '74 O Superior HLT & WP; Mr Cabin Bar, 57 HLT & 17 performance points;, '70 Superior HLT; Mr Sugar Boy, 41 performance points;, '74 O 2nd NCHA finals; '76 O 3rd NCHA World Champ.; Nice N Sweet, 44 HLT & 527 performance points;, '78 AQHA Champ.; '80 Res. World Champ.; Superior WP, TR,; Otoe, AAA, si 95, 5 wins, $4,595 RC;Sire of 22 AQHA Champ., '62 O AQHA Champ.; '63 O Superior HLT; Paula's Sugar Man, 245 performance points;, '77 O Superior WP & HUS; '79 O Res. World Champ. SR WH; Poco D Bar, 12 HLT & 21 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; Quick Henry, si 95, 3 wins, $3,002 RC; 25 HLT & 1 performance points;, '66 O AQHA Champ.; Shugar Cat, 6 HLT & 172 performance points;, '80 O Superior WR; Shugar Jet, si 84, 1 win, $728 RC; 6 HLT & 140 performance points; Suga Buck, si 88, 13,1,1,1; $340 Sugar Antique, si 102, 3 wins, $8,571 RC,'74 Race ROM, '72 2nd OR Bred Juvenile Champions - $3,104 Sugar Bar Dell, 13 HLT & 97.5 performance points;, '65 O AQHA Champ.; '69 O Superior RN; Sugar Bars Boy, si 85, 4 wins, $972 RC; 32 HLT & 11.5 performance points;, '68 O AQHA Champ.; Sugar Bars Junior, 2 HLT & 71 performance points;, '76 O Superior WP; Sugar Billy Van, 21 HLT & 16.5 performance points;, '67 O AQHA Champ.; Sugar Bull, 24 HLT & 23.5 performance points;, '67 O AQHA Champ.; Sugar Capri, 70 HLT points;, '73 O Superior HLT; Sugar Joe Reed, si 95, 3 wins, $841 RC; 19 HLT & 96 performance points;, '71 O AQHA Champ.; '74 O Superior WP; Sugar Leda, 379 HLT & 5 performance points;, '68 Honor Roll HLT Horse; '68 O Superior HLT; Sugar Leo, si 95, 5 wins, $1,363 RC; 32 HLT points;, '63 O AQHA Champ.; Sugar Line, 120 performance points;, '76 O Superior RN; '76 O HI PT JR RN & RN; Sugar Maker, si 75, 1 win, $129 RC; 12 HLT & 31.5 performance points;, '66 O AQHA Champ.; Sugar Select, 103 performance points;, '84 Superior CUT; Sugar Three Bars, si 79, 1 win, $404 RC; 1 HLT & 94 performance points;, '75 O Superior WP; Sugaree Bars, si 95, 5 wins, $3,216 RC; 18 HLT points;, '62 O AQHA Champ.; Sugar's Cookie, 19 HLT & 68 performance points;, '72 O Superior WP; Sure I'm Sugar, 223 performance points;, Superior HUS & WP; Sweeter Than, 33 HLT & 111 performance points;, '74 Y AQHA Champ.; '74 Y Superior WP; Three Sugars, 1 HLT & 163 performance points;, '74 Superior WP; Three Sweet Bars, 54 HLT & 138 performance points;, '76 Y AQHA Champ.; Vanna Bar, si 100, 20 wins, $21,988 RC; 12 HLT points;, '63 Superior RC Horse; '67 O AQHA Champ.; Those are basically the only names that stick out to me in this horse's pedigree. They are also farther back, the closest up being Docs Quixote. It seems to me this horse should be an excellent cow horse. Or at least something of the like. Brittany

09-04-2008, 09:12 PM
lopintoo Long Yearling Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,223	Well, the Skipper W, Two Eyed Jack, and Sugar Bars horses did many things and were (still are) very versatile. The Quixote horses are primarily cow horses. We own and stand a son of Doc Quixote. Our horse is definitely a working type horse - in conformation and athletic ability, but he rides and moves as smooth as silk, so could have pleasured when he was much younger, but he's cow horse thru and thru.