Conformation benefit?

Silvercreekcrossings · 08-29-2008, 11:42 AM

Obviously the front end of this mare is conformationally extremely desirable....why?

Freedomnchrist · 08-29-2008, 11:47 AM

Um.....not even going to touch that one.

I guess people have different preferences on what is attractive.

Iwasbornonahorse · 08-29-2008, 11:52 AM

She is an HYPP horse, and a freak on four legs, a conformational train wreck that is SO desireable to unethical, greedy halter folks who care about the $ and not the horse.

dodib · 08-29-2008, 11:55 AM

I think she is gorgeous. If she is HYPP positive thats a tragedy. But yes many breeders think $$ before the welfare of the horse

Hideaway · 08-29-2008, 11:57 AM

She looks sweet (personality) but a horses conformation is supposed to help their soundness and all I see in that horse is unsoundness. It's not natural and really sad. I would never pay that for her. Each to their own I guess

dodib · 08-29-2008, 12:15 PM

What is conformationally incorrect about her? She is hugely muscled but other than that what are you all seeing I am not.
If she is winning in halter she must be pretty conformationally correct or do the judges not know what tehy are doing?

nrhareiner · 08-29-2008, 12:20 PM

For a halter horse she is perfection. She has nice conformation and the build to go with it. As I am not a halter horse breeder and only show halter to get my youngens out and about. If I was she would be exactly what I would want. Unfortunitly this is what the judges look for in a halter horse. It may not be what a performance horse person wants but for halter huba buba she is it.

My only grip is that a halter horse is supost to be the breeding stock for that breed and be able to perform to that breed standard. That horse could not perform any task a QH was ment to do. That is my biggest pet peez about halter horses but until the judges change what wins people will keep breeding and fitting horses to look like that.

Heidi

Drafty · 08-29-2008, 12:25 PM

I may be in the minority here, but I think her body is hideous (she does have a very attractive face, I will give her that). I can see no usefulness to her at all. At first I thought she looked like a bulldog... then it hit me that she looks like a PIG. Seriously, google show pigs and she looks just like one. Fattened up for slaughter.

I suppose if you look at the breed standard for the Quarter Horse she is extremely close -- but those muscles are so bulky and disproportionate, I couldn't imagine she'd be good at many riding disciplines.

cameo05 · 08-29-2008, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodib

I think she is gorgeous. If she is HYPP positive thats a tragedy. But yes many breeders think $$ before the welfare of the horse

Her ad says she is N/H.

Yes ma'am that is a tragedy as she will do nothing but show halter. She has won some money and titles though.. I personally am not a bulky halter fan, she does have a gorgeous face. Would I own her, NO.

barrelracer94 · 08-29-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drafty

I may be in the minority here, but I think her body is hideous (she does have a very attractive face, I will give her that). I can see no usefulness to her at all. At first I thought she looked like a bulldog... then it hit me that she looks like a PIG. Seriously, google show pigs and she looks just like one. Fattened up for slaughter.

I suppose if you look at the breed standard for the Quarter Horse she is extremely close -- but those muscles are so bulky and disproportionate, I couldn't imagine she'd be good at many riding disciplines.

I have to agree here too. To me, now a days the QH keep getting bulkier & bulkier, & quite frankly I HATE it, but that's JMO.

Silvercreekcrossings · 08-29-2008, 12:46 PM

I think her body is hideous, I do like her face, but it looks like it belongs on a different horse. When I started this thread I tried to present it without creating bias.

Why do judges find this desirable? Why does the horse industry promote this kind of stuff? It looks soooo unnatural and awkward. Perhaps halter people can explain what that front end can do to help her move.....I am not trying to start a dispute, I am just trying to understand the different perspective.

What is happening to the Quarter Horse we know and love?

cameo05 · 08-29-2008, 12:52 PM

Honestly, horses that look like her have been around for a long long time and showing them in halter has been around a long long time, and winning used to be a constantant everytime thing, but that is not the case now. There are many many halter horses out there, that do not look like her that win and win big. THis is really nothing new. Do I like it, NO, do I think the breed standard is going down NO. This is my opinion and mine alone

calicocalgirl · 08-29-2008, 01:02 PM

I love a big chunky "working" QH.....other than her face, I think she is not appealing at all.

breburtch · 08-29-2008, 01:13 PM

If it weren't for the being HYPP positive and the freakishly large muscles I'd think she was gorgeous. God her skinny little legs look like they could snap one day under all that muscle

rivervu2 · 08-29-2008, 01:30 PM

I am not a QH person though I like the breed. What I don't get is the size that they're breeding into them. My friend's daughter shows english on the national level and her QH is 16.2!!! They are diluting the bloodlines with so much TB to get these big horses. I can't imagine that a horse that size would be considered a good working QH. As for the pali, I think she's a freak! Yes, she does look like a pig fattened for slaughter.

sweetwaterarabians · 08-29-2008, 03:01 PM

Poor thing, it hurts me to look at her. Too much weight on those tiny legs and hooves. More of a characacher of what a QH should look like. It does sadden me that the QHs are going in this direction with the halter horses sometimes but I see that is the case with a lot of the breeds. The halter winners should also be nice movers and performers as well if you ask me since it is a "breeding" class. I can't help but think of show bulls when I see them this heavy. They hardly look like horses anymore.

I wonder if this mare would look like this naturally or if she is pumped up with extra feed and steroids.

nrhareiner · 08-29-2008, 03:03 PM

Look at body builders. They have no realy musle they are not strong it is all for show. Same with the horses. It is what wins and it is solly for show nothing more. That horse as it is fitted now would have a really really hard time going into a saddle class and doing anything. Heck I bet you would have a hard time finding a saddle that would fit.

Heidi

dreamer1 · 08-29-2008, 03:14 PM

umm....

I thought we were not "ALOUD" to post links to horses for sale if we had no intentions on buying so called horse?

I posted about an arab colt once and the thread got locked/deleted..

Just wondering about that..

Freedomnchrist · 08-29-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer1

umm....

I thought we were not "ALOUD" to post links to horses for sale if we had no intentions on buying so called horse?

I posted about an arab colt once and the thread got locked/deleted..

Just wondering about that..

Yup...it will be locked soon.

Silvercreekcrossings · 08-29-2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer1

umm....

I thought we were not "ALOUD" to post links to horses for sale if we had no intentions on buying so called horse?

I posted about an arab colt once and the thread got locked/deleted..

Just wondering about that..

Oops, didn't know that one. I deleted the link (I wouldn't want to get in trouble)

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08-29-2008, 11:42 AM
Silvercreekcrossings Halter broke Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 174	Conformation benefit? Obviously the front end of this mare is conformationally extremely desirable....why? __________________ Silver Creek Crossings Standing Scotch on the Rocks, FHANA Friesian Specializing in Friesian/Arab Cross Last edited by Silvercreekcrossings : 08-29-2008 at 03:34 PM.

08-29-2008, 11:47 AM
Freedomnchrist Greenbroke Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,312	Um.....not even going to touch that one. I guess people have different preferences on what is attractive.

08-29-2008, 11:52 AM
Iwasbornonahorse Started Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: GB, WI Posts: 2,220	She is an HYPP horse, and a freak on four legs, a conformational train wreck that is SO desireable to unethical, greedy halter folks who care about the $ and not the horse. __________________ The Midwest horse welfare foundation needs help! http://www.networkforgood.org/pca/Ba...BadgeId=112727

08-29-2008, 11:55 AM
dodib Started Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ravenna, MI Posts: 2,568	I think she is gorgeous. If she is HYPP positive thats a tragedy. But yes many breeders think $$ before the welfare of the horse __________________ Dorthy www.freewebs.com/brownranch/

08-29-2008, 11:57 AM
Hideaway Coming two Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: PA Posts: 1,935	She looks sweet (personality) but a horses conformation is supposed to help their soundness and all I see in that horse is unsoundness. It's not natural and really sad. I would never pay that for her. Each to their own I guess __________________ Well Behaved Women Rarely Make History

08-29-2008, 12:15 PM
dodib Started Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ravenna, MI Posts: 2,568	What is conformationally incorrect about her? She is hugely muscled but other than that what are you all seeing I am not. If she is winning in halter she must be pretty conformationally correct or do the judges not know what tehy are doing? __________________ Dorthy www.freewebs.com/brownranch/

08-29-2008, 12:20 PM
nrhareiner Yearling Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 727	For a halter horse she is perfection. She has nice conformation and the build to go with it. As I am not a halter horse breeder and only show halter to get my youngens out and about. If I was she would be exactly what I would want. Unfortunitly this is what the judges look for in a halter horse. It may not be what a performance horse person wants but for halter huba buba she is it. My only grip is that a halter horse is supost to be the breeding stock for that breed and be able to perform to that breed standard. That horse could not perform any task a QH was ment to do. That is my biggest pet peez about halter horses but until the judges change what wins people will keep breeding and fitting horses to look like that. Heidi __________________ Double Eagle Photography www.doubleeagleph.com Definision of Gun Control: Hiting what you aim at.

08-29-2008, 12:25 PM
Drafty Yearling Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 978	I may be in the minority here, but I think her body is hideous (she does have a very attractive face, I will give her that). I can see no usefulness to her at all. At first I thought she looked like a bulldog... then it hit me that she looks like a PIG. Seriously, google show pigs and she looks just like one. Fattened up for slaughter. I suppose if you look at the breed standard for the Quarter Horse she is extremely close -- but those muscles are so bulky and disproportionate, I couldn't imagine she'd be good at many riding disciplines. __________________ "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Mahatma Gandhi

08-29-2008, 12:46 PM
Silvercreekcrossings Halter broke Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 174	I think her body is hideous, I do like her face, but it looks like it belongs on a different horse. When I started this thread I tried to present it without creating bias. Why do judges find this desirable? Why does the horse industry promote this kind of stuff? It looks soooo unnatural and awkward. Perhaps halter people can explain what that front end can do to help her move.....I am not trying to start a dispute, I am just trying to understand the different perspective. What is happening to the Quarter Horse we know and love? __________________ Silver Creek Crossings Standing Scotch on the Rocks, FHANA Friesian Specializing in Friesian/Arab Cross

08-29-2008, 12:52 PM
cameo05 Bombproof Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 8,692	Honestly, horses that look like her have been around for a long long time and showing them in halter has been around a long long time, and winning used to be a constantant everytime thing, but that is not the case now. There are many many halter horses out there, that do not look like her that win and win big. THis is really nothing new. Do I like it, NO, do I think the breed standard is going down NO. This is my opinion and mine alone __________________

08-29-2008, 01:02 PM
calicocalgirl Greenbroke Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Belleville, Pa Posts: 3,034	I love a big chunky "working" QH.....other than her face, I think she is not appealing at all.

08-29-2008, 01:13 PM
breburtch Coming two Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ennismore, Ontario Posts: 1,863	If it weren't for the being HYPP positive and the freakishly large muscles I'd think she was gorgeous. God her skinny little legs look like they could snap one day under all that muscle

08-29-2008, 01:30 PM
rivervu2 Yearling Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 915	I am not a QH person though I like the breed. What I don't get is the size that they're breeding into them. My friend's daughter shows english on the national level and her QH is 16.2!!! They are diluting the bloodlines with so much TB to get these big horses. I can't imagine that a horse that size would be considered a good working QH. As for the pali, I think she's a freak! Yes, she does look like a pig fattened for slaughter.

08-29-2008, 03:01 PM
sweetwaterarabians Weanling Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Waynesboro, TN Posts: 390	Poor thing, it hurts me to look at her. Too much weight on those tiny legs and hooves. More of a characacher of what a QH should look like. It does sadden me that the QHs are going in this direction with the halter horses sometimes but I see that is the case with a lot of the breeds. The halter winners should also be nice movers and performers as well if you ask me since it is a "breeding" class. I can't help but think of show bulls when I see them this heavy. They hardly look like horses anymore. I wonder if this mare would look like this naturally or if she is pumped up with extra feed and steroids. __________________ Sweetwater Arabians & Web Design

08-29-2008, 03:03 PM
nrhareiner Yearling Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 727	Look at body builders. They have no realy musle they are not strong it is all for show. Same with the horses. It is what wins and it is solly for show nothing more. That horse as it is fitted now would have a really really hard time going into a saddle class and doing anything. Heck I bet you would have a hard time finding a saddle that would fit. Heidi __________________ Double Eagle Photography www.doubleeagleph.com Definision of Gun Control: Hiting what you aim at.

08-29-2008, 03:14 PM
dreamer1 Seasoned Join Date: May 2007 Location: with my horses Posts: 4,309	umm.... I thought we were not "ALOUD" to post links to horses for sale if we had no intentions on buying so called horse? I posted about an arab colt once and the thread got locked/deleted.. Just wondering about that.. __________________ "A true friend is someone who thinks that you are a good egg even though he knows that you are slightly cracked."