2 color questions *WITH PICS* - Page 2

PeggySue · 08-26-2008, 08:10 PM

OK THIS is my pretty roan mare

To the op without knowing what color those horses were before they went grey there is no saying we would need to see pics of them BEFORE they turned

a roan can end up completely grey

the one stud posted is not a roan but rabinco

Luvridn · 08-26-2008, 08:34 PM

I have a mare that has no dilutes or chamagnes of any kind in her pedigree (that I am aware of). Both parents were sorrel/chestnut, as is she. But she has amber eyes. It is VERY hard to capture in a pic but they are a greenish-gold, not brown at all. This is the only pic I can find where it halfway shows it.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mystical+attraction

Sirita_88 · 08-26-2008, 09:10 PM

I am answering to those blue roan horses.... Those horses are definately grey. A dead giveway is white hairs in their manes or tails. In my opinion, if they a breeding and don't know simple colors like grey and roan, they should NOT be breeding!!!!!

Goodness! Shoot, they would think my grey horse is the prittiest roan! He even has a flaxen tail with a roan coat pattern! He has to be a roan because he has black legs and a black mane, his muzzle is also a black base!!

Oh and wait... He's a BLUE DUN ROAN! Just look at that dorsal stripe....

PeggySue · 08-26-2008, 09:13 PM

Those horse COULD have been blue roan BEFORE going GREY which is how the color got put on the papers!!!

Sirita_88 · 08-26-2008, 09:20 PM

Look at this website, click on stallions and then MY FINAL NOTICE http://www.riversideranch.com/

That's what a blue roan looks like....

Yes, they could have been roan before they greyed. And it could have been why it was put on the papers. But at the same time, when a horse is that young it's hard to tell the difference between greying and roaning. When I got that horse I posted he looked grulla but was registered as a bay. I probably could have gotten him registered as a grulla at the time... But, he was just a plain ol bay with countershading down his back (or was he a dark dun????)

PeggySue · 08-26-2008, 09:25 PM

A horse could be a blue roan grey .... so does that mean because they turned grey they are no longer roan??

SACREDWINDWALKER · 08-26-2008, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reiningfan

The chestnut stud looks like a rabicano to me.
Our buckskin mare has amber eyes. They're kinda cool.

Ditto, on the rabicano....usually paint bred horses show this trait.

bitgirl_95 · 08-26-2008, 09:41 PM

but i know a blue roan and he in s 30s and he is now a white with a salt and pepper mane and i have known him and he was a blue roan even registered that way and did showing?

bitgirl_95 · 08-26-2008, 09:43 PM

and they didnt register him until he was 3 so he already turned colors.

PeggySue · 08-26-2008, 09:44 PM

This is a great color genetics site
http://www.equinecolor.com/grey.html

explains that just because a horse turns grey does not mean the other color is GONE just can't see it anymore

**Orchid** · 08-26-2008, 09:54 PM

BeckysWylie, your filly looks palomino to me. Mottled skin is an indicator of the champagne gene and I can't see that on the mare or the filly in those pictures.

Horses can and do have amber eyes without the champagne gene.

BeckysWylie · 08-26-2008, 11:30 PM

OK, I asked this question to a few friends this year and couldn't get an answer out of anyone, but since all the other coat patterns are now coming up, what is the difference between Rabicino and Sabino? I know a lot of the cutting horses currently breeding (big named studs) are throwing strange "roan" type coat patterns and I am aware these are not roans. But since I am not familiar with the two, I call them a sorrel with roaning. Yes, the sire to my filly is not a "roan" he is one of those strange patterns and he throws the same pattern 50% of the time. I had a picture of him dry and more current but cannot find where i filed it. The pic of the sire to my filly was a pic taken 3 years ago when he was 2. My filly does NOT have mottled skin. I called her a palomino and didn't think twice when I registered her, I registered her as a palomino with brown eyes and I again, didn't seem to think they would be any color besides brown. So now I am thinking I need ot correct this. I already got her papers back, about 3 weeks ago.

As for the roan stud in question, I have no idea what color he was. But they bought the mare before they bred for this stallion and she was registered a blue roan and they still call her a roan (?) they all looked grey to me, just wanted insight onhow roans and greys work. I have seen pics and ads in the AQHA Journal for My Final Notice. He is stunning, love the color and he is a great example of a blue roan, and that is what i thought they were until I saw these and another stud advertised in a big publication. I will find the webnsite for that stud, he looks a lot like that mare and they call him a blue roan and they sell his obviously grey foals as blue roan. They are even having a big production sale soon, selling "roan" foals.

Just for giggles, her is a picture of my little palomino taken this evening. I know, not an eye shot. Her eye looks like a slightly blue-er versian of the eye on the sorrel posted above. I almost got an eye shot but she kept moving and none turned out!

AlbertaGirl · 08-26-2008, 11:40 PM

These should help with the rabicano and sabino questions

http://www.equinecolor.com/rabicano.html & http://www.equinecolor.com/sabino.html That site has a lot of info on color and patterns http://www.equinecolor.com/color.html

My dunalino colt is well over three months old, and his eyes are really grey, here are some pictures My Colt At 3 Months *New Pics On Pg. 2*

BeckysWylie · 08-26-2008, 11:41 PM

OK, that other stallion I saw in a publication, is CR Bodees R Blue. He is sired by Bodee Boonsmal who in turn is sired by Peptoboonsmal. He is an obvious grey to me, way lighter then the stud I originally posted, kinda a mix between him and that mare. Their website is www.zollingerranch.net. I did NOT ask for their permission to post this, so if posting this web address for this type of discussion is not appropriate, go ahead and remove it and accept my appology. I feel he is a grey and as part of my question earlier, is it seriously this common for people to mistake a roan for a grey and vice versa? This stallions tail is almost white where his mane is still somewhat darker then his tail, face, legs and body are the same color basically. They also stand other stallions and another is a red roan, sired by Peptoboonsmal, who is gorgeous from the only pic they post of him, and an obvious red roan. The magazine he is a colored pic, the website it is a black and white pic. The magazine is the August 2008 issue of Rocky Mountain Rider. It is one of those free magazines you get at the feed store. Page 49. www.rockymountainrider.com is the website for the magazine. Maybe they have a colored pic there.

BeckysWylie · 08-26-2008, 11:48 PM

AlbertaGirl, your colt is very nice and very BIG!! GEEZ! My foals are average. They are eating well and playing well and healthy, so I don't mind. One of my foals is HUGE and wide, and she turned 3 months yesterday. She is armpit height and out of a 14.1 mare, lol. That filly is a strange color also, I registered the filly a chestnut as both parents are, although mom changes black in winter and a chocolate color in summer. Filly is the same chocolate color with lighter caramel color around her eyes. I got interesting colors this year. The filly was born a gorgeous sorrel/chestnut color and slowly darkened when she shed out. AQHA calls her a chestnut, so I registered her a chestnut.

AlbertaGirl · 08-26-2008, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeckysWylie

is it seriously this common for people to mistake a roan for a grey and vice versa?

I was at a gymkhana last month, and was chatting to this lady and asked where her daughter was, she says "over there on the roan". I looked and looked and didn't see a roan anywhere, then thought I recognized her daughter on a grey, and said "do you mean the grey?", and she said, "no he's a roan". To me, he was very clearly a dappled grey, no a chance of roan, yet she thought he was, so I while that the was the first time I actually had someone say that to me, I did have that happen, and could see how actual roans going grey could be especially confusing.

Now that I've got a decent handle on base colors, the color mistakes and claims of a "sorrel stud that throws color" I see breeders make ALL the time drive me crazy

BeckysWylie · 08-26-2008, 11:55 PM

I have a friend with a sorrel/chestnut stallion and apparently he throws buckskin, dun, palomino on sorrel/chestnut and bay mares. She swears he is the sire. I have no idea if any made it to registery. But she claims he throws color.

AlbertaGirl · 08-27-2008, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeckysWylie

I have a friend with a sorrel/chestnut stallion and apparently he throws buckskin, dun, palomino on sorrel/chestnut and bay mares. She swears he is the sire. I have no idea if any made it to registery. But she claims he throws color.

Not possible, something funny is going on there

. Only thing I could think of is that maybe the stud is actually smokey black, which would explain the buckskin and palomino, but not the dun. Maybe some of her mares are colored and she doesn't realize it

. If none of those are the answers, he's not the sire.

Have you seen him?

cowgirlspurs · 08-27-2008, 06:03 AM

The stallion you are referring to, yes looks grey-the peptoboonsmal horses do carry the roan gene so he likely was roan to start-but Commander King was a grey-so obviously that took over. Probably why the picture is in b/w and so distant lol.

I have a mare registered as a chestnut and her first foal, from a chestnut, was a palomino. Turns out she is actually a palomino (her sire was too) but is so smutty that she looks sorrel/chestnut. She is also homozygous for agouti.

bug1off2 · 08-28-2008, 04:17 PM

<snip> Might want to check what the colors of the sires parents before we speak so vage about or friends.

And what the mares colors are. Breed a chestnut to a palo you get a palo or chestnut. If it comes out a dunalino per mare owners listing. take a look at him at http://www.freewebs.com/mqranch/hisfuturelegends.htm It would be nice to find out where the gene comes from. the mares side does not have any striping in her family but we found out that the dams side of the sire has alot of barring that was not listed. We did look at photos . Per condons photsos of the mares. the stallion does have a darker stripe of black down his tail only. That can be any thing he does have heavey roaning on his butt and belly. His sire through crop outs also.Haveing smart little lena in his back ground there with be a roan gene. The stallion has proven to throw alot of white. The photos you will see are not all his get. Yes hwe was breed to some very nice mares with color. He is not a dominent in his genes of color we would have to say. All the get are dna verified also. A certian person knows that. He had to be blood typed and hair.

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08-26-2008, 08:10 PM
PeggySue Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dennison, Illinois Posts: 693	OK THIS is my pretty roan mare To the op without knowing what color those horses were before they went grey there is no saying we would need to see pics of them BEFORE they turned a roan can end up completely grey the one stud posted is not a roan but rabinco

08-26-2008, 08:34 PM
Luvridn Long Yearling Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 1,193	I have a mare that has no dilutes or chamagnes of any kind in her pedigree (that I am aware of). Both parents were sorrel/chestnut, as is she. But she has amber eyes. It is VERY hard to capture in a pic but they are a greenish-gold, not brown at all. This is the only pic I can find where it halfway shows it. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mystical+attraction __________________ If your horse wants to bolt, there is probably a nut loose in the saddle! PP

08-26-2008, 09:10 PM
Sirita_88 Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mt. Juliet, Tennessee Posts: 1,391	I am answering to those blue roan horses.... Those horses are definately grey. A dead giveway is white hairs in their manes or tails. In my opinion, if they a breeding and don't know simple colors like grey and roan, they should NOT be breeding!!!!! Goodness! Shoot, they would think my grey horse is the prittiest roan! He even has a flaxen tail with a roan coat pattern! He has to be a roan because he has black legs and a black mane, his muzzle is also a black base!! Oh and wait... He's a BLUE DUN ROAN! Just look at that dorsal stripe.... __________________ Paradise Performance Horses. http://www.freewebs.com/paradiseperformance/index.htm

08-26-2008, 09:13 PM
PeggySue Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dennison, Illinois Posts: 693	Those horse COULD have been blue roan BEFORE going GREY which is how the color got put on the papers!!!

08-26-2008, 09:20 PM
Sirita_88 Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mt. Juliet, Tennessee Posts: 1,391	Look at this website, click on stallions and then MY FINAL NOTICE http://www.riversideranch.com/ That's what a blue roan looks like.... Yes, they could have been roan before they greyed. And it could have been why it was put on the papers. But at the same time, when a horse is that young it's hard to tell the difference between greying and roaning. When I got that horse I posted he looked grulla but was registered as a bay. I probably could have gotten him registered as a grulla at the time... But, he was just a plain ol bay with countershading down his back (or was he a dark dun????) __________________ Paradise Performance Horses. http://www.freewebs.com/paradiseperformance/index.htm

08-26-2008, 09:25 PM
PeggySue Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dennison, Illinois Posts: 693	A horse could be a blue roan grey .... so does that mean because they turned grey they are no longer roan??

08-26-2008, 09:41 PM
bitgirl_95 Yearling Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 505	but i know a blue roan and he in s 30s and he is now a white with a salt and pepper mane and i have known him and he was a blue roan even registered that way and did showing? __________________ Home to 8 horses, 5 dogs, 2 rabbits, lots of fish, and a cat

08-26-2008, 09:43 PM
bitgirl_95 Yearling Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 505	and they didnt register him until he was 3 so he already turned colors. __________________ Home to 8 horses, 5 dogs, 2 rabbits, lots of fish, and a cat

08-26-2008, 09:44 PM
PeggySue Yearling Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dennison, Illinois Posts: 693	This is a great color genetics site http://www.equinecolor.com/grey.html explains that just because a horse turns grey does not mean the other color is GONE just can't see it anymore

08-26-2008, 09:54 PM
Orchid Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 10,079	BeckysWylie, your filly looks palomino to me. Mottled skin is an indicator of the champagne gene and I can't see that on the mare or the filly in those pictures. Horses can and do have amber eyes without the champagne gene. __________________ I have nothing witty or even charming to say at this point.

08-26-2008, 11:30 PM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 340	OK, I asked this question to a few friends this year and couldn't get an answer out of anyone, but since all the other coat patterns are now coming up, what is the difference between Rabicino and Sabino? I know a lot of the cutting horses currently breeding (big named studs) are throwing strange "roan" type coat patterns and I am aware these are not roans. But since I am not familiar with the two, I call them a sorrel with roaning. Yes, the sire to my filly is not a "roan" he is one of those strange patterns and he throws the same pattern 50% of the time. I had a picture of him dry and more current but cannot find where i filed it. The pic of the sire to my filly was a pic taken 3 years ago when he was 2. My filly does NOT have mottled skin. I called her a palomino and didn't think twice when I registered her, I registered her as a palomino with brown eyes and I again, didn't seem to think they would be any color besides brown. So now I am thinking I need ot correct this. I already got her papers back, about 3 weeks ago. As for the roan stud in question, I have no idea what color he was. But they bought the mare before they bred for this stallion and she was registered a blue roan and they still call her a roan (?) they all looked grey to me, just wanted insight onhow roans and greys work. I have seen pics and ads in the AQHA Journal for My Final Notice. He is stunning, love the color and he is a great example of a blue roan, and that is what i thought they were until I saw these and another stud advertised in a big publication. I will find the webnsite for that stud, he looks a lot like that mare and they call him a blue roan and they sell his obviously grey foals as blue roan. They are even having a big production sale soon, selling "roan" foals. Just for giggles, her is a picture of my little palomino taken this evening. I know, not an eye shot. Her eye looks like a slightly blue-er versian of the eye on the sorrel posted above. I almost got an eye shot but she kept moving and none turned out! __________________ If you want a glimpse into your future, take a good look at your friends!

08-26-2008, 11:40 PM
AlbertaGirl Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 3,431	These should help with the rabicano and sabino questions http://www.equinecolor.com/rabicano.html & http://www.equinecolor.com/sabino.html That site has a lot of info on color and patterns http://www.equinecolor.com/color.html My dunalino colt is well over three months old, and his eyes are really grey, here are some pictures My Colt At 3 Months New Pics On Pg. 2 __________________ Some people say horses don't have a sense of humor... they obviously haven't met mine yet ;o)

08-26-2008, 11:41 PM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 340	OK, that other stallion I saw in a publication, is CR Bodees R Blue. He is sired by Bodee Boonsmal who in turn is sired by Peptoboonsmal. He is an obvious grey to me, way lighter then the stud I originally posted, kinda a mix between him and that mare. Their website is www.zollingerranch.net. I did NOT ask for their permission to post this, so if posting this web address for this type of discussion is not appropriate, go ahead and remove it and accept my appology. I feel he is a grey and as part of my question earlier, is it seriously this common for people to mistake a roan for a grey and vice versa? This stallions tail is almost white where his mane is still somewhat darker then his tail, face, legs and body are the same color basically. They also stand other stallions and another is a red roan, sired by Peptoboonsmal, who is gorgeous from the only pic they post of him, and an obvious red roan. The magazine he is a colored pic, the website it is a black and white pic. The magazine is the August 2008 issue of Rocky Mountain Rider. It is one of those free magazines you get at the feed store. Page 49. www.rockymountainrider.com is the website for the magazine. Maybe they have a colored pic there. __________________ If you want a glimpse into your future, take a good look at your friends!

08-26-2008, 11:48 PM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 340	AlbertaGirl, your colt is very nice and very BIG!! GEEZ! My foals are average. They are eating well and playing well and healthy, so I don't mind. One of my foals is HUGE and wide, and she turned 3 months yesterday. She is armpit height and out of a 14.1 mare, lol. That filly is a strange color also, I registered the filly a chestnut as both parents are, although mom changes black in winter and a chocolate color in summer. Filly is the same chocolate color with lighter caramel color around her eyes. I got interesting colors this year. The filly was born a gorgeous sorrel/chestnut color and slowly darkened when she shed out. AQHA calls her a chestnut, so I registered her a chestnut. __________________ If you want a glimpse into your future, take a good look at your friends!

08-26-2008, 11:55 PM
BeckysWylie Weanling Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 340	I have a friend with a sorrel/chestnut stallion and apparently he throws buckskin, dun, palomino on sorrel/chestnut and bay mares. She swears he is the sire. I have no idea if any made it to registery. But she claims he throws color. __________________ If you want a glimpse into your future, take a good look at your friends!

08-27-2008, 06:03 AM
cowgirlspurs Long Yearling Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Washago/Severn Bridge Ontario Posts: 1,498	The stallion you are referring to, yes looks grey-the peptoboonsmal horses do carry the roan gene so he likely was roan to start-but Commander King was a grey-so obviously that took over. Probably why the picture is in b/w and so distant lol. I have a mare registered as a chestnut and her first foal, from a chestnut, was a palomino. Turns out she is actually a palomino (her sire was too) but is so smutty that she looks sorrel/chestnut. She is also homozygous for agouti. __________________ Fufill your fantasies...FG Fantasy Fella

08-28-2008, 04:17 PM
bug1off2 Newborn Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: moses lake Posts: 2	<snip> Might want to check what the colors of the sires parents before we speak so vage about or friends. And what the mares colors are. Breed a chestnut to a palo you get a palo or chestnut. If it comes out a dunalino per mare owners listing. take a look at him at http://www.freewebs.com/mqranch/hisfuturelegends.htm It would be nice to find out where the gene comes from. the mares side does not have any striping in her family but we found out that the dams side of the sire has alot of barring that was not listed. We did look at photos . Per condons photsos of the mares. the stallion does have a darker stripe of black down his tail only. That can be any thing he does have heavey roaning on his butt and belly. His sire through crop outs also.Haveing smart little lena in his back ground there with be a roan gene. The stallion has proven to throw alot of white. The photos you will see are not all his get. Yes hwe was breed to some very nice mares with color. He is not a dominent in his genes of color we would have to say. All the get are dna verified also. A certian person knows that. He had to be blood typed and hair. Last edited by Applejack : 08-28-2008 at 04:39 PM.