How young can stud be?

Strawberrygirl · 08-21-2008, 12:46 PM

Can a 16 mo. stud colt be bred? Also, if they are bred BEFORE gelding them, does it change their behavior . . . so that if you do geld they aren't as calm as if you had not bred them?

**gbarmranch** · 08-21-2008, 12:47 PM

They can - but the big question is why would you want to breed one that young..

snickers · 08-21-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gbarmranch

They can - but the big question is why would you want to breed one that young..

Yes, I would like to know as well.
Accidental is one thing if you dont know he is breeding, but to purposely breed one that young has me scratching my head.

Young colts can breed as early as 8 months old.

Breeding may or may not change the way they act. Once started, they can continue the breeding act itself till the day they die.

If you have no intensions of breeding him, just seperate him and geld him.
After gelding they still need to be seperated for no less than a month. During that time they still can get a mare in foal.

ecappaloosa · 08-21-2008, 01:32 PM

Ive gelded a 14 year old stallion who had an impressive book of mares in his life time and he was 100% pure gelding once gelded....and Ive gelded a 3 year old VIRGIN colt that to this day is a stallion in his head ; he would be 8 this year and still cant be pastured with mares and does it all ; snorts , fights and has a BIG stallion attitude.

So how he will behave after breeding a mare and being gelded is a gamble...Id have to think if he was willing at 18 months , when some colts are still not "awake"...he maybe part of the ones that do not forget easy.

Also take into consideration a lot of people raising a stallion (who is stallion material) do not want them to breed before they are fully trainned/broke. Makes things a whole lot easier if they dont know they CAN do "it".

If you are only doing this to save a stud fee, its probably not the best idea. You may regret it.

Iwasbornonahorse · 08-21-2008, 02:07 PM

Some registries will not allow the resulting foal to be registered if the stud was too young during the breeding.

David · 08-21-2008, 02:13 PM

Even if you could register the foal, I would not want to breed a stud that young. The behavioral issues can be worked out, nothing that can't be fixed( behavioural wise) will come from his breeding that young but why? He's too young to know what traits he will have ( conformationally) to pass on, and he is also too young to be exhibiting any symptoms of most genetic diseases. So in short, breeding a very young stud is like playing Russian Roullette with only one chamber empty. There's a chance of a good result but the odds are all against it.

HighHorse · 08-21-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by David

So in short, breeding a very young stud is like playing Russian Roullette with only one chamber empty. There's a chance of a good result but the odds are all against it.

Amen.

shadow · 08-21-2008, 02:29 PM

Maybe she was just asking a question.......To learn.....

**gbarmranch** · 08-21-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow

Maybe she was just asking a question.......To learn.....

Here is her other thread on a similar topic.. Stud colt trouble

A J · 08-21-2008, 03:13 PM

I'm just curious as to why you are asking? Is it just something "to know" or are you considering trying to breed at this point?

Without that information, IMO, no stud should be bred until he has proven himself in his chosen discipline, and has had time to be trained and learn proper horse behavior. If you are asking because there may have been some kind of "opps" then yes, things can happen at that age.

snickers · 08-21-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gbarmranch

Here is her other thread on a similar topic.. Stud colt trouble

Hhhmm!

Strawberrygirl · 08-21-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow

Maybe she was just asking a question.......To learn.....

Hey, now thats going a little too far! I just wanted a simple answer to a simple question. Bringing up old posts that have no validity, in the present, just to make a point is crossing the line.

You know, I've had such a rotten time in horsemanship that I'm just about to give it all up and get a GOAT!

Thanks a lot to you guys who answered my questions!

Carri · 08-21-2008, 07:31 PM

My gelding is 12, and he was kept a stud and bred until he was four. I don't know what age he started breeding, and I don't know if he might have had these behaviours otherwise, but he can still act pretty stallion-like.

For instance, the other day I was leading him to the arena to ride. Another horse from our barn came up behind us, and he got really anxious. I let him turn around so he could see the other horse approaching us, and as they got closer, he started squealing, rearing, striking out, and trying to go after this other horse.

I have no idea what prompted this, and he was immediately reprimanded and calmed down, but the person leading the other horse even commented that it seemed like he was having a "stallion flashback".

XtendedTrot · 08-21-2008, 07:40 PM

I kept my quarter horse at a boarding facility and the owners stallion got loose...he was only 1 1/2 yrs. old. My mare ended up knocked up. I was worried because I sold my horse to a new owner and had no idea my horse was expecting. The new owner called the vet, thought she was colicking and turns out she's 4 months along. She's due in November. The boarding facility stands behind the fact that it wasn't their stallion that bred her

The gelded him two days short of my horse leaving the facility

nrhareiner · 08-21-2008, 10:30 PM

Some horses just do not like other horses coming up behind then for what ever reason. I have a dominate mare who when you are leading her if she thinks that no other horse coming up to the barn should pass her then she will let them know it. She gets disaplined for it and the next time will not do it in hand but when they are all coming up on their own she let every one know who comes in and in what order up to the barn.

As for stallions. Mine have always acted like Geldings. My Red Dun stallion will not even think about breeding a mare with out permission. From me not the mare.

Heidi

mlh619 · 08-22-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nrhareiner

My Red Dun stallion will not even think about breeding a mare with out permission. From me not the mare.

Heidi

Too funny!

nrhareiner · 08-22-2008, 08:35 AM

He dose not think soo. He seems to prefere his women captive. Big reason I have gon to all AI.

Heidi

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Originally Posted by mlh619

Too funny!

reiningfan · 08-22-2008, 02:52 PM

In answer to how young a stud colt can to breed, Snickers is correct, about 8 months is as young as I've seen them.
As for whether or not gelding them before or after having bred will change their attitude, that all depends on the individual animal. I have seen older stallions settle right into being geldings, you'd never know they'd ever been a stallion, while I've seen colts gelded at a year and a half that are rank sons of guns.

Strawberrygirl · 08-23-2008, 10:53 AM

So if I'm understanding right, if I get experienced breeder's help, then it should be fine if he's bred now?

Here's the thing, would any of you pay a stud fee for a yearling stud?

I've heard of people waiting until their stud is 5 or 6. Personally I would wait until he is 3 to 4 and learns jobs other than breeding . . .

I guess I am in a pickle. This pony had a baby moment and gave me an injury requiring surgery. If he was a gelding or a mare it still would have happened. But my feelings of anger (getting him clipped for revenge

) and also because my farrier says women can't own stallions, all contribute to confusion of what to do.

Some of you have read my other post of Stud Colt Trouble. The only vices this pony has are overreactiveness and he likes to bolt. He doesn't display any stallion-like behavior. I have met many mares with the same personality, with the exception of more stallion behavior (rearing, striking, biting, etc.) than this pony has ever exhibited.

The 'no flying insects' seasons are coming up so I have to decide soon!

I tried getting a Conformation Clinic set up of Cupid, the pony, so when it comes up, if you guys think he is going to carry on good traits . . . then please let me know what I can do to gain his unconditional respect so he can earn the right to stay intact.

Thankyou!!!

ThorArb · 08-23-2008, 11:50 AM

Ditto to what Snickers said. A colt can successfully cover a mare as young as 8 months. At over a year, they are more than capable of figuring it out. And no I absolutely WOULD NOT breed a yearling stud. At minimum I would wait until he was two but even then it is very iffy. Personally by time he is 3, you should be more than well aware if he will be a good breeding choice.

Some things to think about if you are considering gelding the colt-
1. Breeding goal- what type of foals are you looking to produce?
2. Market- is there a market for this type of foal?
3. Facilities- can you handle having mares coming and going, foals, etc?
4. Evaluation of your Stud- is he going to produce this type of foal? how's his pedigree? conformation? does he have any show records or will you take him to that level?
5. Finances- can you afford the costs of running a breeding operation? promoting your stallion?

Those are just some of the things I would take into consideration. I have posted in your other thread regarding the colt's training. Alot of the time youngsters can get overreactive like that. My app filly went through a similar phase. And there have been the occasional time that my app stud would get that way when he was little. It isnt uncommon.

Brittany

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08-21-2008, 12:46 PM
Strawberrygirl Halter broke Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 107	How young can stud be? Can a 16 mo. stud colt be bred? Also, if they are bred BEFORE gelding them, does it change their behavior . . . so that if you do geld they aren't as calm as if you had not bred them?

08-21-2008, 12:47 PM
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08-21-2008, 01:32 PM
ecappaloosa Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: quebec,canada Posts: 9	Ive gelded a 14 year old stallion who had an impressive book of mares in his life time and he was 100% pure gelding once gelded....and Ive gelded a 3 year old VIRGIN colt that to this day is a stallion in his head ; he would be 8 this year and still cant be pastured with mares and does it all ; snorts , fights and has a BIG stallion attitude. So how he will behave after breeding a mare and being gelded is a gamble...Id have to think if he was willing at 18 months , when some colts are still not "awake"...he maybe part of the ones that do not forget easy. Also take into consideration a lot of people raising a stallion (who is stallion material) do not want them to breed before they are fully trainned/broke. Makes things a whole lot easier if they dont know they CAN do "it". If you are only doing this to save a stud fee, its probably not the best idea. You may regret it.

08-21-2008, 02:07 PM
Iwasbornonahorse Started Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: GB, WI Posts: 2,220	Some registries will not allow the resulting foal to be registered if the stud was too young during the breeding. __________________ The Midwest horse welfare foundation needs help! http://www.networkforgood.org/pca/Ba...BadgeId=112727

08-21-2008, 02:13 PM
David Long Yearling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,066	Even if you could register the foal, I would not want to breed a stud that young. The behavioral issues can be worked out, nothing that can't be fixed( behavioural wise) will come from his breeding that young but why? He's too young to know what traits he will have ( conformationally) to pass on, and he is also too young to be exhibiting any symptoms of most genetic diseases. So in short, breeding a very young stud is like playing Russian Roullette with only one chamber empty. There's a chance of a good result but the odds are all against it. __________________ "If you see your stirrups slap together above the horn, you're probably bucked off". Dave Stamey.

08-21-2008, 02:29 PM
shadow Weanling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SW ohio Posts: 287	Maybe she was just asking a question.......To learn.....

08-21-2008, 03:13 PM
A J Greenbroke Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vallejo, CA Posts: 3,318	I'm just curious as to why you are asking? Is it just something "to know" or are you considering trying to breed at this point? Without that information, IMO, no stud should be bred until he has proven himself in his chosen discipline, and has had time to be trained and learn proper horse behavior. If you are asking because there may have been some kind of "opps" then yes, things can happen at that age. __________________ Try not, do. Do or do not. There is no try.

08-21-2008, 07:31 PM
Carri Bombproof Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia Posts: 9,973	My gelding is 12, and he was kept a stud and bred until he was four. I don't know what age he started breeding, and I don't know if he might have had these behaviours otherwise, but he can still act pretty stallion-like. For instance, the other day I was leading him to the arena to ride. Another horse from our barn came up behind us, and he got really anxious. I let him turn around so he could see the other horse approaching us, and as they got closer, he started squealing, rearing, striking out, and trying to go after this other horse. I have no idea what prompted this, and he was immediately reprimanded and calmed down, but the person leading the other horse even commented that it seemed like he was having a "stallion flashback". __________________

08-21-2008, 07:40 PM
XtendedTrot Halter broke Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 98	mare I kept my quarter horse at a boarding facility and the owners stallion got loose...he was only 1 1/2 yrs. old. My mare ended up knocked up. I was worried because I sold my horse to a new owner and had no idea my horse was expecting. The new owner called the vet, thought she was colicking and turns out she's 4 months along. She's due in November. The boarding facility stands behind the fact that it wasn't their stallion that bred her The gelded him two days short of my horse leaving the facility

08-21-2008, 10:30 PM
nrhareiner Yearling Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 727	Some horses just do not like other horses coming up behind then for what ever reason. I have a dominate mare who when you are leading her if she thinks that no other horse coming up to the barn should pass her then she will let them know it. She gets disaplined for it and the next time will not do it in hand but when they are all coming up on their own she let every one know who comes in and in what order up to the barn. As for stallions. Mine have always acted like Geldings. My Red Dun stallion will not even think about breeding a mare with out permission. From me not the mare. Heidi __________________ Double Eagle Photography www.doubleeagleph.com Definision of Gun Control: Hiting what you aim at.

08-22-2008, 02:52 PM
reiningfan Yearling Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Western Manitoba, Canada Posts: 516	In answer to how young a stud colt can to breed, Snickers is correct, about 8 months is as young as I've seen them. As for whether or not gelding them before or after having bred will change their attitude, that all depends on the individual animal. I have seen older stallions settle right into being geldings, you'd never know they'd ever been a stallion, while I've seen colts gelded at a year and a half that are rank sons of guns.

08-23-2008, 10:53 AM
Strawberrygirl Halter broke Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 107	So if I'm understanding right, if I get experienced breeder's help, then it should be fine if he's bred now? Here's the thing, would any of you pay a stud fee for a yearling stud? I've heard of people waiting until their stud is 5 or 6. Personally I would wait until he is 3 to 4 and learns jobs other than breeding . . . I guess I am in a pickle. This pony had a baby moment and gave me an injury requiring surgery. If he was a gelding or a mare it still would have happened. But my feelings of anger (getting him clipped for revenge ) and also because my farrier says women can't own stallions, all contribute to confusion of what to do. Some of you have read my other post of Stud Colt Trouble. The only vices this pony has are overreactiveness and he likes to bolt. He doesn't display any stallion-like behavior. I have met many mares with the same personality, with the exception of more stallion behavior (rearing, striking, biting, etc.) than this pony has ever exhibited. The 'no flying insects' seasons are coming up so I have to decide soon! I tried getting a Conformation Clinic set up of Cupid, the pony, so when it comes up, if you guys think he is going to carry on good traits . . . then please let me know what I can do to gain his unconditional respect so he can earn the right to stay intact. Thankyou!!!

08-23-2008, 11:50 AM
ThorArb Kid Safe Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Conyers, GA Posts: 5,443	Ditto to what Snickers said. A colt can successfully cover a mare as young as 8 months. At over a year, they are more than capable of figuring it out. And no I absolutely WOULD NOT breed a yearling stud. At minimum I would wait until he was two but even then it is very iffy. Personally by time he is 3, you should be more than well aware if he will be a good breeding choice. Some things to think about if you are considering gelding the colt- 1. Breeding goal- what type of foals are you looking to produce? 2. Market- is there a market for this type of foal? 3. Facilities- can you handle having mares coming and going, foals, etc? 4. Evaluation of your Stud- is he going to produce this type of foal? how's his pedigree? conformation? does he have any show records or will you take him to that level? 5. Finances- can you afford the costs of running a breeding operation? promoting your stallion? Those are just some of the things I would take into consideration. I have posted in your other thread regarding the colt's training. Alot of the time youngsters can get overreactive like that. My app filly went through a similar phase. And there have been the occasional time that my app stud would get that way when he was little. It isnt uncommon. Brittany