What color are they?

lelo2006 · 08-14-2008, 05:29 PM

I have no idea if this is in the right area so moderator's please feel free to move. Thanks!

I've heard that there are some great color guru's on HT and was hoping to enlist the assistance of as many as would like to help.
I volunteer at a rescue near where I live and we have the problem of color. We could really use the help of anyone in helping us with the color of our horses.

Horse #1.
Unknown Breed

Horse #2.
Shetland Pony

Horse #3.
Appalossa Cross

Horse #4.
Arabian Cross

Horse #5.
Unknown Breed

Horse #6.
Arabian with possible Welsh

Horse #7.
Sorry about the tack.
Unknown Breed

Horse #8.
QH Cross

Horse #9.
TWH

Appreciate all and any help. Thanks guys.

cook1745 · 08-14-2008, 05:38 PM

Ok here goes

1. Greying out/ possible silver gene
2. chocolate with flaxen mane and tail
3. Grey appy with blanket
4. greying out
5. palomino tovero
6. greying buckskin
7. bay
8. chestnut/sorrel
9. sabino chestnut with flaxen mane and tail

ok hope this helps!!!

Gotta Love Duns · 08-14-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cook1745

Ok here goes

1. Greying out/ possible silver gene
2. chocolate with flaxen mane and tail
3. Grey appy with blanket
4. greying out
5. palomino tovero
6. greying buckskin
7. bay
8. chestnut/sorrel
9. sabino chestnut with flaxen mane and tail

ok hope this helps!!!

I agree except for #3 I think it is a varnish appy with a blanket.

AlbertaGirl · 08-14-2008, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cook1745

1. Greying out/ possible silver gene
2. chocolate with flaxen mane and tail
3. Grey appy with blanket
4. greying out
5. palomino tovero
6. greying buckskin
7. bay
8. chestnut/sorrel
9. sabino chestnut with flaxen mane and tail

Pretty much agree, but I'd call #2 Silver Bay, and #5 a Palomino Tobiano (maybe it's a Tovero, but without seeing it's face, it looks like a Tobiano). I'd also call the Appaloosa a varnish, and it looks like the base color is bay actually.

#1 says Unknown breed, my guess would be on some sort of grade Arab, maybe grade Arab/pony cross? Definetly Arab though

Here's a link to a lot of info on color and patterns http://www.equinecolor.com/color.html

lelo2006 · 08-14-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AlbertaGirl

Pretty much agree, but I'd call #2 Silver Bay, and #5 a Palomino Tobiano (maybe it's a Tovero, but without seeing it's face, it looks like a Tobiano). I'd also call the Appaloosa a varnish, and it looks like the base color is bay actually.

#1 says Unknown breed, my guess would be on some sort of grade Arab, maybe grade Arab/pony cross? Definetly Arab though

Here's a link to a lot of info on color and patterns http://www.equinecolor.com/color.html

Thanks for the link... great stuff.
What should I look for on the face to distiguish if it's maybe a Tovero?

AlbertaGirl · 08-14-2008, 06:05 PM

Oh, you're welcome

!

As for the tovero/tobiano, tovero is basically excessive face white. Here's a couple links from the APHA with descriptions of tovero http://www.apha.com/breed/tovero.html and tobiano http://www.apha.com/breed/tobiano.html Unless the whole other side of the horse's face is white, I'd say it's just a tobiano

lelo2006 · 08-14-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AlbertaGirl

Oh, you're welcome

!

As for the tovero/tobiano, tovero is basically excessive face white. Here's a couple links from the APHA with descriptions of tovero http://www.apha.com/breed/tovero.html and tobiano http://www.apha.com/breed/tobiano.html Unless the whole other side of the horse's face is white, I'd say it's just a tobiano

She's that palamino cloring on her whole face except for a blaze that runs from the top of her head down to her nose, if that helps.

AlbertaGirl · 08-14-2008, 06:16 PM

Then yup, just a palomino tobiano pinto. Bet she'll look pretty nice in a short amount of time!

Gotta Love Duns · 08-14-2008, 10:48 PM

Hey AlbertaGirl I missed the tobiano/tovero one... I guess that's two that I don't agree on. I think that mare is a tobiano, I have seen pictures of her on there site and she is tobi all the way.

Horselessnomore · 08-14-2008, 10:59 PM

I want the shetland pony

. Not really sure of the colour of any of them, but just had to comment that they are certainly an interesting mix.

Luvridn · 08-14-2008, 11:55 PM

Mostly I agree...

1. buckskin or dun with silver gene
2. flax mane liver
3.varnish blanket?
4.liver chestnut, poss greying, hard to tell
5.palomino tobiano
6.chestnut with sabino-ish roaning, greying?
7. bay
8.regular chestnut
9. liver chestnut with sabino

cowgirlspurs · 08-15-2008, 05:42 AM

#1 looks like it might have been born palomino but definately going grey
#2 silver bay
#3 varnish appaloosa
#4 going grey
#5 palomino tobiano (judging from her look I'd guess she was probably #1's mom)
#6 going grey
#7 bay
#8 chestnut/sorrel (same difference)
#9 chestnut/sorrel with sabino (roaning onthe body and white patch)

kaykay · 08-15-2008, 06:24 AM

I feel sure horse 2 is a silver bay. very common in ponies. you can see the black points on the legs and silver is what turned the maine white

7 is a bay minimal tobiano with sabino

9 is also a minimal tobiano with sabino

lelo2006 · 08-15-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlspurs

#1 looks like it might have been born palomino but definately going grey
#2 silver bay
#3 varnish appaloosa
#4 going grey
#5 palomino tobiano (judging from her look I'd guess she was probably #1's mom)
#6 going grey
#7 bay
#8 chestnut/sorrel (same difference)
#9 chestnut/sorrel with sabino (roaning onthe body and white patch)

#5 isn't anyone's mom luckily. #1 actually has some very strange markings that don't alway show on her pictures but out in the sunlight you really get a good look. Like she has a dorsal strip and zebra striping on her legs.

Tobiesmom · 08-15-2008, 09:27 AM

With the additional information about dorsal stripe and zebra striping, I suspect that #1 is a variation on a dun horse. It's a little hard to tell with the mane being a little wild, but the white 'guard' hairs that appear on the outside edges of the mane (and tail) can be very predominate on a horse with a lot of dun factor and can make the mane appear very silvery. Usually a horse with dun factor will have a dark core to its mane and/or tail and the guard hairs on the tail usually apprear at the top of the tail (which this filly doesn't appear to have). Yet, she also has that sort of 'smutty' smokey-ness to her color associated with duns. So, even with the inconsistencies, I'd lean toward calling her a buttermilk (indicating light, creamy base color) dun. (and these are all rescues??? Lovely job you are doing with them. Way to go!!!)

grullatobiano · 08-15-2008, 10:04 AM

#1 definitely grey. And CUTE! Sometimes bays have dramatic countershading that looks like dun, but they do not carry a dun gene. Looks like she started bay.

#2 Silver dapple/Silver chocolate, very common in pony breeds. Again, CUTE!

#3 Could be varnish, could be grey. Blanket, base color looks bay.

#4 Bay going Grey, looks like she might go dappled grey and keep her black points for a while. Again, CUTE!

#5 Palomino tobiano

#6 Could be a bay going grey, could be a bay roan. Welshes carry roan, but Arabians don't. That's a wait and see.

#7 Bay

#8 Chestnut/sorrel

#9 Chestnut with flaxen mane, rabicano.

Tobiesmom · 08-15-2008, 04:30 PM

It sure could be the color in my monitor is off.... I'm just not seeing the grey in the face for #1 (especially around the eyes) that I'd expect to see if she were greying..... but it could be possible. I'm also seing a real golden yellow tint to the face, with a smutty overtone. I don't see any bay/brown - but, again, it could be the differences in monitors. A lot of people are calling her grey - so that might be the best call on her. She will either get more grey or she'll stay pretty much the same!!!! Either way, she's a lucky girl!

lelo2006 · 08-15-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobiesmom

With the additional information about dorsal stripe and zebra striping, I suspect that #1 is a variation on a dun horse. It's a little hard to tell with the mane being a little wild, but the white 'guard' hairs that appear on the outside edges of the mane (and tail) can be very predominate on a horse with a lot of dun factor and can make the mane appear very silvery. Usually a horse with dun factor will have a dark core to its mane and/or tail and the guard hairs on the tail usually apprear at the top of the tail (which this filly doesn't appear to have). Yet, she also has that sort of 'smutty' smokey-ness to her color associated with duns. So, even with the inconsistencies, I'd lean toward calling her a buttermilk (indicating light, creamy base color) dun. (and these are all rescues??? Lovely job you are doing with them. Way to go!!!)

Everyone is a rescue.... thanks.

grullatobiano · 08-15-2008, 05:22 PM

It is a common misconception that horses grey around the eyes first. That sometimes occurs, but is often not the case. Some greys keep a very dark black on all their points until they are a lot older.

The #1 horse has black legs and a lighter brown undercoat, she's a pretty classic bay greying out. I worked on a farm with over 100 grey Arabians, from newborn to over 30. You get some pretty interesting colors as they grey out.

cook1745 · 08-16-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grullatobiano

It is a common misconception that horses grey around the eyes first. That sometimes occurs, but is often not the case. Some greys keep a very dark black on all their points until they are a lot older.

The #1 horse has black legs and a lighter brown undercoat, she's a pretty classic bay greying out. I worked on a farm with over 100 grey Arabians, from newborn to over 30. You get some pretty interesting colors as they grey out.

Yea my grey is greying out big time on the body a a little on the face.

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08-14-2008, 05:29 PM
lelo2006 Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 873	What color are they? I have no idea if this is in the right area so moderator's please feel free to move. Thanks! I've heard that there are some great color guru's on HT and was hoping to enlist the assistance of as many as would like to help. I volunteer at a rescue near where I live and we have the problem of color. We could really use the help of anyone in helping us with the color of our horses. Horse #1. Unknown Breed Horse #2. Shetland Pony Horse #3. Appalossa Cross Horse #4. Arabian Cross Horse #5. Unknown Breed Horse #6. Arabian with possible Welsh Horse #7. Sorry about the tack. Unknown Breed Horse #8. QH Cross Horse #9. TWH Appreciate all and any help. Thanks guys. __________________ I love the smell of horse's in the morning. WRERS: Edmonton Based Horse Rescue. www.albertahorserescue.com

08-14-2008, 05:38 PM
cook1745 Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,335	Ok here goes 1. Greying out/ possible silver gene 2. chocolate with flaxen mane and tail 3. Grey appy with blanket 4. greying out 5. palomino tovero 6. greying buckskin 7. bay 8. chestnut/sorrel 9. sabino chestnut with flaxen mane and tail ok hope this helps!!! __________________ Home of my sweet girl Cinnamon. Not fancy but she is mine!!!

08-14-2008, 06:05 PM
AlbertaGirl Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 3,262	Oh, you're welcome ! As for the tovero/tobiano, tovero is basically excessive face white. Here's a couple links from the APHA with descriptions of tovero http://www.apha.com/breed/tovero.html and tobiano http://www.apha.com/breed/tobiano.html Unless the whole other side of the horse's face is white, I'd say it's just a tobiano __________________ Some people say horses don't have a sense of humor... they obviously haven't met mine yet ;o)

08-14-2008, 06:16 PM
AlbertaGirl Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 3,262	Then yup, just a palomino tobiano pinto. Bet she'll look pretty nice in a short amount of time! __________________ Some people say horses don't have a sense of humor... they obviously haven't met mine yet ;o)

08-14-2008, 10:48 PM
Gotta Love Duns Bombproof Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dixonville, Alberta Posts: 7,806	Hey AlbertaGirl I missed the tobiano/tovero one... I guess that's two that I don't agree on. I think that mare is a tobiano, I have seen pictures of her on there site and she is tobi all the way. __________________ A penny saved is a penny you can spend on your next horse.

08-14-2008, 10:59 PM
Horselessnomore Long Yearling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,343	I want the shetland pony . Not really sure of the colour of any of them, but just had to comment that they are certainly an interesting mix.

08-14-2008, 11:55 PM
Luvridn Long Yearling Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 1,053	Mostly I agree... 1. buckskin or dun with silver gene 2. flax mane liver 3.varnish blanket? 4.liver chestnut, poss greying, hard to tell 5.palomino tobiano 6.chestnut with sabino-ish roaning, greying? 7. bay 8.regular chestnut 9. liver chestnut with sabino __________________ If your horse wants to bolt, there is probably a nut loose in the saddle! PP

08-15-2008, 05:42 AM
cowgirlspurs Long Yearling Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Washago/Severn Bridge Ontario Posts: 1,423	#1 looks like it might have been born palomino but definately going grey #2 silver bay #3 varnish appaloosa #4 going grey #5 palomino tobiano (judging from her look I'd guess she was probably #1's mom) #6 going grey #7 bay #8 chestnut/sorrel (same difference) #9 chestnut/sorrel with sabino (roaning onthe body and white patch) __________________ Fufill your fantasies...FG Fantasy Fella

08-15-2008, 06:24 AM
kaykay Yearling Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 543	I feel sure horse 2 is a silver bay. very common in ponies. you can see the black points on the legs and silver is what turned the maine white 7 is a bay minimal tobiano with sabino 9 is also a minimal tobiano with sabino __________________ Breeding AMHA/AMHR/ASPC horses in pinto colors! http://www.baxterspaintedpasture.com Visit our newest site! www.americanshetlandpony.com Miniature Horse Conformation Book by Kay Baxter

08-15-2008, 09:27 AM
Tobiesmom Weanling Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 442	With the additional information about dorsal stripe and zebra striping, I suspect that #1 is a variation on a dun horse. It's a little hard to tell with the mane being a little wild, but the white 'guard' hairs that appear on the outside edges of the mane (and tail) can be very predominate on a horse with a lot of dun factor and can make the mane appear very silvery. Usually a horse with dun factor will have a dark core to its mane and/or tail and the guard hairs on the tail usually apprear at the top of the tail (which this filly doesn't appear to have). Yet, she also has that sort of 'smutty' smokey-ness to her color associated with duns. So, even with the inconsistencies, I'd lean toward calling her a buttermilk (indicating light, creamy base color) dun. (and these are all rescues??? Lovely job you are doing with them. Way to go!!!)

08-15-2008, 10:04 AM
grullatobiano Weanling Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Red Deer Posts: 288	#1 definitely grey. And CUTE! Sometimes bays have dramatic countershading that looks like dun, but they do not carry a dun gene. Looks like she started bay. #2 Silver dapple/Silver chocolate, very common in pony breeds. Again, CUTE! #3 Could be varnish, could be grey. Blanket, base color looks bay. #4 Bay going Grey, looks like she might go dappled grey and keep her black points for a while. Again, CUTE! #5 Palomino tobiano #6 Could be a bay going grey, could be a bay roan. Welshes carry roan, but Arabians don't. That's a wait and see. #7 Bay #8 Chestnut/sorrel #9 Chestnut with flaxen mane, rabicano.

08-15-2008, 04:30 PM
Tobiesmom Weanling Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 442	It sure could be the color in my monitor is off.... I'm just not seeing the grey in the face for #1 (especially around the eyes) that I'd expect to see if she were greying..... but it could be possible. I'm also seing a real golden yellow tint to the face, with a smutty overtone. I don't see any bay/brown - but, again, it could be the differences in monitors. A lot of people are calling her grey - so that might be the best call on her. She will either get more grey or she'll stay pretty much the same!!!! Either way, she's a lucky girl!

08-15-2008, 05:22 PM
grullatobiano Weanling Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Red Deer Posts: 288	It is a common misconception that horses grey around the eyes first. That sometimes occurs, but is often not the case. Some greys keep a very dark black on all their points until they are a lot older. The #1 horse has black legs and a lighter brown undercoat, she's a pretty classic bay greying out. I worked on a farm with over 100 grey Arabians, from newborn to over 30. You get some pretty interesting colors as they grey out.