I didn't know this about the AQHA....

**TDH** · 08-12-2008, 02:43 PM

This is for all of those QH lovers who aren't too fond of Arabians.

And anyone else who might not have realized this.

Did you know that as recently as the 1950's, approved Arabian stallions were allowed as an outcross source?

I am reading the book Arabian Legends,

and of course was a bit familiar with Indraff, but I did not realize he was an approved AQHA outcross stallion. He had two offspring in particular, out of the same QH mare Cotton Girl, that did well, both AQHA registered. Indy Mac did not garner any AQHA points, but Indy Sue did, in 6 different events. Stadium jumping being one of them.

I always knew the QH breed, like the TB, has had some Arabian influence.... I just didn't realize that it was that recent.

Interesting stuff.

Do any of you happen to know when the book was closed to Arabian stallions?

**gbarmranch** · 08-12-2008, 03:11 PM

You know what my hubby thinks of arabs.. so you know that I love to point out the fact that there is arab blood in quarter horses.. wait until I share this.. Thank you TDH!

breburtch · 08-12-2008, 03:14 PM

I knew that in most horse breed books it states that Thoroughbred,and Arab blood played a role in the development of the quarter horse aswell as some andalusian and australian stock horse blood

It's actually funny to see the look some people give you when they aren't fully educated on the breed and origins of the aqha that say they hate arabs and tb's when you tell them the qh has there blood coursing through there viens

Thats where some qh's get "baby doll" type heads I actually had a qh mare at one point that looked pure arab had a friend out once to ride and gave her my mare top ride and she said sure your giving me a crazy arab

she didn't believe me till I show'd her the papers that she was infact a qh she simple took after her ancestors more then others

tuffsmom · 08-12-2008, 03:22 PM

I didn't know that the Arabs were that close on the quarter horse. Very interesting.

version1955 · 08-12-2008, 03:32 PM

This is a great thread, Thanks TDH! And Geebs, Gerald is the same way about Arabs but he just loves, loves, loves those baby-doll heads

I can't wait until he gets home, this is gonna be fun

Our Appaloosas have QH in them four generations back and therefore have TB and Arabs back there too. I'm of the opinion that the breed is about phenotype more than genotype, if ya know what I mean. And that changes with the "fashion"

**TDH** · 08-13-2008, 07:32 AM

This book is put out by the Western Horseman, and several of the pictures used were originally run in the Western Horseman "back when". Now, I'm not a subscriber to that one, but I'd bet a healthy chunk that the times they run any photos/articles about Arabians are far and few between these days. The breed is far gone from the family horse it used to be - at least much of what wins in the show ring now, is.

pippy · 08-13-2008, 07:36 AM

I think if you look back far enough, you'd probably find arabian in just about every breed LOL...seriously..in researching our TWH history, way way way way way (you get the point) back, there is arabian also

version1955 · 08-13-2008, 03:47 PM

I always thought that Arabians were an ancestor to many contemporary breeds

**TDH** · 08-14-2008, 07:33 AM

That's just it - I think a lot of people, in kind of an obscure way, know that some where, a hundred years ago or more, there's a great likelihood that Arabians had an influence on their breed of choice.

What I found remarkable is just how recently the Arabian has influenced the QH breed. And of course ironic, when I know (in real life too) so many fans of the QH who don't give a rats patootie for the Arab.

Still was hoping someone would know just exactly when the QH Association stopped allowing Arabs as outcrosses.... wonder how a body could find that out?

version1955 · 08-14-2008, 07:37 AM

I'd simply call

Wolfie · 08-15-2008, 01:53 AM

Very interesting..I knew they were foundation horses, but not that they were that close up. Thanks for posting that!

hunterjumpertrainer · 08-19-2008, 02:41 PM

I know of a 30 year old QH and she looks exactly like an old style arab!

version1955 · 08-19-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by version1955

I'd simply call

So didja? Do you know yet?

**TDH** · 08-19-2008, 04:40 PM

Gah.... I'm lucky to still have my head attached after the last few weeks - so no, I haven't yet.

version1955 · 08-19-2008, 05:18 PM

I was going to but realized that I wouldn't have a good idea what I was asking

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08-12-2008, 02:43 PM
TDH Welcome and Introductions Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,213	I didn't know this about the AQHA.... This is for all of those QH lovers who aren't too fond of Arabians. And anyone else who might not have realized this. Did you know that as recently as the 1950's, approved Arabian stallions were allowed as an outcross source? I am reading the book Arabian Legends, and of course was a bit familiar with Indraff, but I did not realize he was an approved AQHA outcross stallion. He had two offspring in particular, out of the same QH mare Cotton Girl, that did well, both AQHA registered. Indy Mac did not garner any AQHA points, but Indy Sue did, in 6 different events. Stadium jumping being one of them. I always knew the QH breed, like the TB, has had some Arabian influence.... I just didn't realize that it was that recent. Interesting stuff. Do any of you happen to know when the book was closed to Arabian stallions? __________________ You are not so important that you have to win every argument. Agree to disagree.

08-12-2008, 03:11 PM
gbarmranch Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 29,218	You know what my hubby thinks of arabs.. so you know that I love to point out the fact that there is arab blood in quarter horses.. wait until I share this.. Thank you TDH! __________________ Quality FoundationQuarter Horses http://home.earthlink.net/~vpgann Minds are like parachutes – they only function when open – Thomas Dewar

08-12-2008, 03:14 PM
breburtch Coming two Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ennismore, Ontario Posts: 1,859	I knew that in most horse breed books it states that Thoroughbred,and Arab blood played a role in the development of the quarter horse aswell as some andalusian and australian stock horse blood It's actually funny to see the look some people give you when they aren't fully educated on the breed and origins of the aqha that say they hate arabs and tb's when you tell them the qh has there blood coursing through there viens Thats where some qh's get "baby doll" type heads I actually had a qh mare at one point that looked pure arab had a friend out once to ride and gave her my mare top ride and she said sure your giving me a crazy arab she didn't believe me till I show'd her the papers that she was infact a qh she simple took after her ancestors more then others Last edited by breburtch : 08-12-2008 at 03:18 PM.

08-12-2008, 03:22 PM
tuffsmom Seasoned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 4,012	I didn't know that the Arabs were that close on the quarter horse. Very interesting. __________________

08-12-2008, 03:32 PM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: out Posts: 6,490	This is a great thread, Thanks TDH! And Geebs, Gerald is the same way about Arabs but he just loves, loves, loves those baby-doll heads I can't wait until he gets home, this is gonna be fun Our Appaloosas have QH in them four generations back and therefore have TB and Arabs back there too. I'm of the opinion that the breed is about phenotype more than genotype, if ya know what I mean. And that changes with the "fashion" __________________ If you can't master your emotions, how can you be the safe partner your horse needs you to be?

08-13-2008, 07:32 AM
TDH Welcome and Introductions Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,213	This book is put out by the Western Horseman, and several of the pictures used were originally run in the Western Horseman "back when". Now, I'm not a subscriber to that one, but I'd bet a healthy chunk that the times they run any photos/articles about Arabians are far and few between these days. The breed is far gone from the family horse it used to be - at least much of what wins in the show ring now, is. __________________ You are not so important that you have to win every argument. Agree to disagree.

08-13-2008, 07:36 AM
pippy Long Yearling Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,055	I think if you look back far enough, you'd probably find arabian in just about every breed LOL...seriously..in researching our TWH history, way way way way way (you get the point) back, there is arabian also __________________ Put your heart, mind, intellect, and soul even to your smallest acts. This is the secret of success.\" â€“ Swami Sivananda Saraswati

08-13-2008, 03:47 PM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: out Posts: 6,490	I always thought that Arabians were an ancestor to many contemporary breeds __________________ If you can't master your emotions, how can you be the safe partner your horse needs you to be?

08-14-2008, 07:33 AM
TDH Welcome and Introductions Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,213	That's just it - I think a lot of people, in kind of an obscure way, know that some where, a hundred years ago or more, there's a great likelihood that Arabians had an influence on their breed of choice. What I found remarkable is just how recently the Arabian has influenced the QH breed. And of course ironic, when I know (in real life too) so many fans of the QH who don't give a rats patootie for the Arab. Still was hoping someone would know just exactly when the QH Association stopped allowing Arabs as outcrosses.... wonder how a body could find that out? __________________ You are not so important that you have to win every argument. Agree to disagree.

08-14-2008, 07:37 AM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: out Posts: 6,490	I'd simply call __________________ If you can't master your emotions, how can you be the safe partner your horse needs you to be?

08-15-2008, 01:53 AM
Wolfie Coming two Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: US Posts: 1,547	Very interesting..I knew they were foundation horses, but not that they were that close up. Thanks for posting that!

08-19-2008, 02:41 PM
hunterjumpertrainer Newborn Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I live in the barn 24/7 Posts: 42	I know of a 30 year old QH and she looks exactly like an old style arab!

08-19-2008, 04:40 PM
TDH Welcome and Introductions Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,213	Gah.... I'm lucky to still have my head attached after the last few weeks - so no, I haven't yet. __________________ You are not so important that you have to win every argument. Agree to disagree.

08-19-2008, 05:18 PM
version1955 Kid Safe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: out Posts: 6,490	I was going to but realized that I wouldn't have a good idea what I was asking __________________ If you can't master your emotions, how can you be the safe partner your horse needs you to be?