Pinto/Paint/Tobiano/Overo/Heavy Pics

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 10:56 AM

I acquired a couple of stallions a couple of years ago, mainly because the lady needed to find them a home quick. The lived on 70+ acres and ran free,however after they became studdy..they were put in round pens.I couldn't stand them being in a round pen,and I had admired them for a long time so I took them.I have never owned a spotted horse and am not informed and educated when it comes to all the patterns I hear all of you talking about. Take a look at mine and tell me about their color,would they be considered tobiano? I tried reading up on PInto and Paint and the way I understand it, I could register them as a Pinto if certain criteria is met. Or if one of their parents was a paint I could register them.Please forgive stupid questions,I know you are all expertise in this area. So here are a couple of pics of them.Please advise.Thanks in advance for your input
Spot

BINGO

SilverLexi · 08-09-2008, 11:07 AM

Both are tobianos. Are you planning on gelding them?? They are very nice looking horses.

Katy Boatright · 08-09-2008, 11:09 AM

I have no clue but they are gawgus.

barnbum2106 · 08-09-2008, 11:10 AM

My opinion they are both tobianos....does Spot have Appaloosa in him? It almost looks like he has a blanket on his hind quarters. Just curious...how long have you had them? Are you planning on gelding or breeding them?

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:17 AM

Well, when I got them, I bred them to two purebred Arabians,and one 31/32 Arabian. Spot has put nothing but spots on the ground and Bingo has put all spots except for the last one. Spot does not have appy in him, he just has the tiger paw prints all over him. I have Bingo listed for sale, and if he doesn't sell I will be gelding him. Don't think I can part with Spot. He doesn't have the head that I like (use to the Arabian head) but I just love this horse so much. Spot acts more like a western horse, Bingo has ALOT of park action to him. He is high struttin high steppin. His dam is purebred Arabian and is Sire is a I think?? Pinto. Spot came out of a 1/2 Arabian spotted mare and has the same sire as Bingo. They both have put some pretty babies on the ground for me.

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by barnbum2106

My opinion they are both tobianos....does Spot have Appaloosa in him? It almost looks like he has a blanket on his hind quarters. Just curious...how long have you had them? Are you planning on gelding or breeding them?

I have had them about 2 years now.I have developed some health issues and I havent' been able to devote the time I need to them other than petting and loving on them.

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverLexi

Both are tobianos. Are you planning on gelding them?? They are very nice looking horses.

You ask am I planning on gelding them..why? Do you think I should because of their confirmation? I did breed them when I first got them, but with the way the horse situation is I will be breeding anything of mine for quite sometime.

Gotta Love Duns · 08-09-2008, 11:26 AM

Yup they are both Tobanio's. You have two very pretty boys and both would be elibable for the PtHA application.

cook1745 · 08-09-2008, 11:31 AM

I think the first is a tovero with the sabino gene. Look at the laceing on the color marking. The over I belive is a tobiano.

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:31 AM

here a couple of pics of their offspring, the colt born of the grey arabian mare in the pic with spot,died not too long after birth. he was black/grey and white.

this one has high whites and the blaze,but no spots

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cook1745

I think the first is a tovero with the sabino gene. Look at the laceing on the color marking. The over I belive is a tobiano.

Sabino is that where there is white outlining the spots?

cook1745 · 08-09-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by purecountry1953

Sabino is that where there is white outlining the spots?

Sabino it a type of paint color it has the white hairs almost like roaning in the color spots and around them. Also lower lip marks. If one for died of a none paint mare then the stallion is most likely a tovero and carrying the lethal white gene? You may want to test that stallion before continuing to bred him. It only cost I think 50 to have him tested!!!

cook1745 · 08-09-2008, 11:41 AM

That white horse very possibly maybe a maximum sabino look at that lower lip marking?

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cook1745

Sabino it a type of paint color it has the white hairs almost like roaning in the color spots and around them. Also lower lip marks. If one for died of a none paint mare then the stallion is most likely a tovero and carrying the lethal white gene? You may want to test that stallion before continuing to bred him. It only cost I think 50 to have him tested!!!

The reason the colt died was my mare had some bad things happen to her while she was carrying foal, #1, got bad hay,almost lost my mare over that one..thought she had lost the foal. #2 got kicked so bad by a horse of a friend while at my house, knocked my preggie mare to the ground. Also, the the sire of the one that died is the second stallion Bingo. So, should I still have both of them tested?I sure don't and will not breed if there is a possibility,but since he wasn't the sire should I still have him tested.You got me scared now.thanks for the education though

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cook1745

That white horse very possibly maybe a maximum sabino look at that lower lip marking?

The grey mare is a purebred 25 year old Arabian. She is not white per se, she is grey..black skin, not white skin.Does this make a difference?

cook1745 · 08-09-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by purecountry1953

The grey mare is a purebred 25 year old Arabian. She is not white per se, she is grey..black skin, not white skin.Does this make a difference?

Yes!!! She is just grey with the typical grey coloring on the face!!

cook1745 · 08-09-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by purecountry1953

The reason the colt died was my mare had some bad things happen to her while she was carrying foal, #1, got bad hay,almost lost my mare over that one..thought she had lost the foal. #2 got kicked so bad by a horse of a friend while at my house, knocked my preggie mare to the ground. Also, the the sire of the one that died is the second stallion Bingo. So, should I still have both of them tested?I sure don't and will not breed if there is a possibility,but since he wasn't the sire should I still have him tested.You got me scared now.thanks for the education though

I'm don't think the trama is the issue if the colt was born alive!!! I would DEFENITLY test they both VERY well could be tovero and the one maybe carrying the lethal white gene. Better safe than sorry and you are out only 50 -100 dollars. All you have to do is pull some mane or tail hair at the root and mail it in. Super simple!!!

purecountry1953 · 08-09-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cook1745

I'm don't think the trama is the issue if the colt was born alive!!! I would DEFENITLY test they both VERY well could be tovero and the one maybe carrying the lethal white gene. Better safe than sorry and you are out only 50 -100 dollars. All you have to do is pull some mane or tail hair at the root and mail it in. Super simple!!!

Where do I mail the sample? Or do I just give it to my vet?

Sirita_88 · 08-09-2008, 12:09 PM

The paint at our barn looks very similar to the first horse. He is registered as a Tobiano Minimal Overo. Yep, that's what he is registered as, He's Tobiano but he has spots.

cowgirlspurs · 08-09-2008, 12:32 PM

The first one is tobiano-no overo look to him at all. It would be interesting to test him and see if he is homozygous-all those paw prints used to be the old wives tail about guaranteeing colour before testing. The halo around them (the same term used for appaloosas) is just a blending of hair colour-some have it-some don't. The filly I just sold (paint) had a tonne of roaning over her spots as well as the paw prints-and yes she was homozygous for tobiano.
Is Spot registered?
There is no way, IF there is no overo gene in his pedigree-that he would have sired one. I have not heard AT ALL about any lethal whites coming from arabians and you do need both sire and dam to carry the gene in order for it to be expressed. Also-the foal will be born white-completely white.

I can see why Spot would be more attractive to you breeding him to arabs-he is a lovely type I am sure crossed on those typey mares.

I used to use this to help remember the tobiano/overo differences.
The tobiano has regular horse markings on their face-overos usually have excessive white on their faces.
The overo has regular horse markings on their legs (defined socks) where the tobiano usually has white legs going right into the body.
The overo (think OVER) has colour that completely covers over their back.
Tobiano's have distinct two tone tails.

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08-09-2008, 10:56 AM
purecountry1953 Weanling Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texarkana Posts: 200	Pinto/Paint/Tobiano/Overo/Heavy Pics I acquired a couple of stallions a couple of years ago, mainly because the lady needed to find them a home quick. The lived on 70+ acres and ran free,however after they became studdy..they were put in round pens.I couldn't stand them being in a round pen,and I had admired them for a long time so I took them.I have never owned a spotted horse and am not informed and educated when it comes to all the patterns I hear all of you talking about. Take a look at mine and tell me about their color,would they be considered tobiano? I tried reading up on PInto and Paint and the way I understand it, I could register them as a Pinto if certain criteria is met. Or if one of their parents was a paint I could register them.Please forgive stupid questions,I know you are all expertise in this area. So here are a couple of pics of them.Please advise.Thanks in advance for your input Spot BINGO __________________ I am so busy, I don't know whether I've found my lead rope or I've lost my horse! "In God We Trust"

08-09-2008, 11:07 AM
SilverLexi Halter broke Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 158	Both are tobianos. Are you planning on gelding them?? They are very nice looking horses.

08-09-2008, 11:09 AM
Katy Boatright Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midville Posts: 85	I have no clue but they are gawgus. __________________ Got my dog, got my horse, don't need no cowboy!

08-09-2008, 11:10 AM
barnbum2106 Weanling Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 261	My opinion they are both tobianos....does Spot have Appaloosa in him? It almost looks like he has a blanket on his hind quarters. Just curious...how long have you had them? Are you planning on gelding or breeding them? __________________ Owned by: Bailey, Bo, Lucy, & Hoosier

08-09-2008, 11:17 AM
purecountry1953 Weanling Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texarkana Posts: 200	Well, when I got them, I bred them to two purebred Arabians,and one 31/32 Arabian. Spot has put nothing but spots on the ground and Bingo has put all spots except for the last one. Spot does not have appy in him, he just has the tiger paw prints all over him. I have Bingo listed for sale, and if he doesn't sell I will be gelding him. Don't think I can part with Spot. He doesn't have the head that I like (use to the Arabian head) but I just love this horse so much. Spot acts more like a western horse, Bingo has ALOT of park action to him. He is high struttin high steppin. His dam is purebred Arabian and is Sire is a I think?? Pinto. Spot came out of a 1/2 Arabian spotted mare and has the same sire as Bingo. They both have put some pretty babies on the ground for me. __________________ I am so busy, I don't know whether I've found my lead rope or I've lost my horse! "In God We Trust"

08-09-2008, 11:26 AM
Gotta Love Duns Bombproof Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dixonville, Alberta Posts: 7,806	Yup they are both Tobanio's. You have two very pretty boys and both would be elibable for the PtHA application. __________________ A penny saved is a penny you can spend on your next horse.

08-09-2008, 11:31 AM
cook1745 Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,340	I think the first is a tovero with the sabino gene. Look at the laceing on the color marking. The over I belive is a tobiano. __________________ Home of my sweet girl Cinnamon. Not fancy but she is mine!!!

08-09-2008, 11:41 AM
cook1745 Greenbroke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,340	That white horse very possibly maybe a maximum sabino look at that lower lip marking? __________________ Home of my sweet girl Cinnamon. Not fancy but she is mine!!!

08-09-2008, 12:09 PM
Sirita_88 Long Yearling Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mt. Juliet, Tennessee Posts: 1,269	The paint at our barn looks very similar to the first horse. He is registered as a Tobiano Minimal Overo. Yep, that's what he is registered as, He's Tobiano but he has spots. __________________ Paradise Performance Horses. http://www.freewebs.com/paradiseperformance/index.htm

08-09-2008, 12:32 PM
cowgirlspurs Long Yearling Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Washago/Severn Bridge Ontario Posts: 1,423	The first one is tobiano-no overo look to him at all. It would be interesting to test him and see if he is homozygous-all those paw prints used to be the old wives tail about guaranteeing colour before testing. The halo around them (the same term used for appaloosas) is just a blending of hair colour-some have it-some don't. The filly I just sold (paint) had a tonne of roaning over her spots as well as the paw prints-and yes she was homozygous for tobiano. Is Spot registered? There is no way, IF there is no overo gene in his pedigree-that he would have sired one. I have not heard AT ALL about any lethal whites coming from arabians and you do need both sire and dam to carry the gene in order for it to be expressed. Also-the foal will be born white-completely white. I can see why Spot would be more attractive to you breeding him to arabs-he is a lovely type I am sure crossed on those typey mares. I used to use this to help remember the tobiano/overo differences. The tobiano has regular horse markings on their face-overos usually have excessive white on their faces. The overo has regular horse markings on their legs (defined socks) where the tobiano usually has white legs going right into the body. The overo (think OVER) has colour that completely covers over their back. Tobiano's have distinct two tone tails. __________________ Fufill your fantasies...FG Fantasy Fella Last edited by cowgirlspurs : 08-09-2008 at 12:35 PM. Reason: fogot about the overo/tobiano