Thinking About One Day

Freedomnchrist · 08-05-2008, 11:44 AM

Having a Sugar baby.

Now before you shoot me down out of the sky.....let me state a few things first.

1. I will not even consider this.....till at least two years from now.

2. HAS to be a PROVEN stud.

3. Sugar does have a nice using pedigree.....but has not been shown herself.

She has PR Man...Triple Chick...Painted Robin.....he is way back though.

4. This would be a keeper baby....for me and my family.

5. I want it to have resale value in case of a "life happens" incident.

6. She is a carrier of LWG...as long as the stud is tested.....and is negative....than it will be o.k.

So I am just THINKING about this. Nothing set in stone.

The main reason I am even considering this...is because of Sugar's attitude and character.

When I first met her....we butted heads so much. Now she has become just a wonderful mare.

And I do mean wonderful.

And I would LOVE to see what she and a good stud would produce.

So anyways....for grins and giggles. What do you think?

Also....a question.

Does the mare have to have a proven record....or can the stud make up for that?

A couple of pictures for reference.

Freedomnchrist · 08-05-2008, 11:45 AM

Also....with your experienced eyes. What are her flaws to look for in a possible mate to make up for where she lacks.

Mav2007 · 08-05-2008, 11:52 AM

At first I thought you meant sugar daddy... like one for yourself...nevermind.

I think she's a good looking horse, I can't find any flaws right off the bat, but I'm not good at conformation unless the flaws are pretty obvious. How tall is she?

cascy · 08-05-2008, 11:53 AM

I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but this is JMO so whatever right?

I personally have had horses that had "show winning" parents, and I've had horses that have parents that didn't do squat or were not even known.

The point is, a horse is what you make it.

Are you going to invest the time, training, money to make this animal into something someone else would want?

There are millions of "sweet babies" out there, so just because a mare is sweet doesn't mean the baby will be sweet or that someone would want the baby just because it is sweet...

So, I guess my point is, if you are willing and going to put in the effort/time/money/traing ect. to make this "foal" be something someone else would want then I see why not...

If you just want a sweet spotted baby, there's millions out there, easier to pick one.

Good luck in your decesion, she is a pretty mare

Freedomnchrist · 08-05-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mav2007

At first I thought you meant sugar daddy... like one for yourself...nevermind.

I think she's a good looking horse, I can't find any flaws right off the bat, but I'm not good at conformation unless the flaws are pretty obvious. How tall is she?

She is on the short side. I have measured her at 56 inches.

Freedomnchrist · 08-05-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cascy

I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but this is JMO so whatever right?

I personally have had horses that had "show winning" parents, and I've had horses that have parents that didn't do squat or were not even known.

The point is, a horse is what you make it.

Are you going to invest the time, training, money to make this animal into something someone else would want?

There are millions of "sweet babies" out there, so just because a mare is sweet doesn't mean the baby will be sweet or that someone would want the baby just because it is sweet...

So, I guess my point is, if you are willing and going to put in the effort/time/money/traing ect. to make this "foal" be something someone else would want then I see why not...

If you just want a sweet spotted baby, there's millions out there, easier to pick one.

Good luck in your decesion, she is a pretty mare

Well this thread is just food for thought...so any and all opinions are o.k. with me.

You make a very good point about the sweetness.

I just don't want to be blinded by love eh???

I want to have a baby from her....someday.

BUT...if it will have no resale...then my answer would be no. Even though I say it is just a baby for our family.

Know what I mean Vern.

Mav2007 · 08-05-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Freedomnchrist

She is on the short side. I have measured her at 56 inches.

so, 14 HH then?

Freedomnchrist · 08-05-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav2007

so, 14 HH then?

Yes....but i would not go completely by my calculations.....I know 14.3 is pony size....

And I am NOT going to tell you how I measured her!

I would risk embarrassing myself.

Crookedblaze · 08-05-2008, 12:05 PM

I agree with Cascy...horses are what you make them. I think that it would be a really neat experience for you and your family. I would love to get a baby and work with it from day 1.

Mav2007 · 08-05-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Freedomnchrist

Yes....but i would not go completely by my calculations.....I know 14.3 is pony size....

And I am NOT going to tell you how I measured her!

I would risk embarrassing myself.

A yard stick, a tape measure, one of those little kid giraffe measuring posters, a piece of her tail......come on tell us! I promise not to laugh.

Freedomnchrist · 08-05-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Crookedblaze

I agree with Cascy...horses are what you make them. I think that it would be a really neat experience for you and your family. I would love to get a baby and work with it from day 1.

Yes....but it is like a guilty pleasure with the market the way it is.

I would not even consider...until horses start selling better.

And truth be told...it is a little scary to think about.

I could not afford to right now anyhow...but maybe some day.

Freedomnchrist · 08-05-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav2007

A yard stick, a tape measure, one of those little kid giraffe measuring posters, a piece of her tail......come on tell us! I promise not to laugh.

Um....the second one you mentioned.

I can't even believe I said that! Sheesh!

You can laugh cause I am laughing at you now!

ROFL @ a piece of her tail!!!

Mav2007 · 08-05-2008, 12:31 PM

I know, I said I wouldn't laugh. I lied.

Goldun Acres · 08-06-2008, 07:12 AM

I'm not looking to start anything here, but I personally am going to disagree with you on breeding Sugar. She's a great mare and everything, but I believe that breeding a known carrier of OWLS, is just like breeding a known carrier of HERDA, or HYPP. It is a genetic disease just like HERDA and HYPP. Even if you breed to a negative horse, that baby still has a chance of carrying the gene(therefor continueing the gene/disease).

JMO...take it for what it's worth!

ToveroMom · 08-06-2008, 07:18 AM

If you do not breed a positive horse for Lethal white to a positive-there is no issue.
The thing with LWO is that the baby is not viable.
It is a horrible thing to watch a newborn die and no reason for it anymore.
You can TEST your breeding stock.
I have no issue with someone breeding a positive to a horse that is clear-they will never produce a lethal.

Goldun Acres · 08-06-2008, 07:30 AM

Well, my only issue is when resulting baby recieves the one LW gene, then is sold because "life happens", buyer has no idea about LW then breeds to a positive stud and they potentially produce a LW baby and the poor thing suffers for a few days till it meets its maker...Just saying that's my issue - no one has to agree with me...just how I feel!

Freedomnchrist · 08-06-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldun Acres

Well, my only issue is when resulting baby recieves the one LW gene, then is sold because "life happens", buyer has no idea about LW then breeds to a positive stud and they potentially produce a LW baby and the poor thing suffers for a few days till it meets its maker...Just saying that's my issue - no one has to agree with me...just how I feel!

Great points! Thank you for this!

ToveroMom · 08-06-2008, 07:37 AM

Well that is fine you feel that way-and I am not trying to influence you.
I do not do that though and would never sell a horse to a person without revealing any test results and I always test my stock.
I can only do what I can do.
That is my feeling on it.

Freedomnchrist · 08-06-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ToveroMom

Well that is fine you feel that way-and I am not trying to influence you.
I do not do that though and would never sell a horse to a person without revealing any test results and I always test my stock.
I can only do what I can do.
That is my feeling on it.

I agree Tmom.

Having stated what I did above.....I would like to also say that I have researched A LOT on the LWG.

And I for one.....would never sell without telling someone first.

She is from Painted Robin...and he apparently is where the LWG came from.

I would not sell her....if I ever had to...with out first telling someone.

Freedomnchrist · 08-06-2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldun Acres

Well, my only issue is when resulting baby recieves the one LW gene, then is sold because "life happens", buyer has no idea about LW then breeds to a positive stud and they potentially produce a LW baby and the poor thing suffers for a few days till it meets its maker...Just saying that's my issue - no one has to agree with me...just how I feel!

I would like to respond to this.

You raise a valid point.........

I will have to do some more research.

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Freedomnchrist Greenbroke Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,312	Also....with your experienced eyes. What are her flaws to look for in a possible mate to make up for where she lacks.

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Mav2007 Long Yearling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,448	At first I thought you meant sugar daddy... like one for yourself...nevermind. I think she's a good looking horse, I can't find any flaws right off the bat, but I'm not good at conformation unless the flaws are pretty obvious. How tall is she?

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cascy Kid Safe Join Date: May 2006 Location: arkansas Posts: 6,017	I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but this is JMO so whatever right? I personally have had horses that had "show winning" parents, and I've had horses that have parents that didn't do squat or were not even known. The point is, a horse is what you make it. Are you going to invest the time, training, money to make this animal into something someone else would want? There are millions of "sweet babies" out there, so just because a mare is sweet doesn't mean the baby will be sweet or that someone would want the baby just because it is sweet... So, I guess my point is, if you are willing and going to put in the effort/time/money/traing ect. to make this "foal" be something someone else would want then I see why not... If you just want a sweet spotted baby, there's millions out there, easier to pick one. Good luck in your decesion, she is a pretty mare __________________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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Goldun Acres Long Yearling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Southern MN Posts: 1,365	Well, my only issue is when resulting baby recieves the one LW gene, then is sold because "life happens", buyer has no idea about LW then breeds to a positive stud and they potentially produce a LW baby and the poor thing suffers for a few days till it meets its maker...Just saying that's my issue - no one has to agree with me...just how I feel! __________________ Lacey @ Goldun Acres R.I.P. Grandpa - Forever* and always in my heart!*

08-06-2008, 07:37 AM
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