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Old 06-12-2008, 01:46 PM  
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How do I get black? overo?

What would be the best bet to breed my mare to (sorrel/min overo) to get a black and white (or bay would be fine) and prefereably an overo? I know the breeding game, especially when it comes to color is tricky and never certain, but what would give me a better chance?

I'm not breeding this girl ANYTIME soon, she is only 3, just looking around to see what quality studs are out there that may be candidate in a few years. I'm also curious, what is your take on stallion size/mare size? My girl is only about 15h and I'd love to get something bigger...but is it dangerous to breed to a much larger stud?

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ETA: her pedigree. Her dam was out a 2 black and white overos and she was BRIGHT sorrel overo (really loud), that might help!

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Old 06-12-2008, 01:49 PM  
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Buy a black overo foal.
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Buy a black overo foal.
I have to agree - that is the only certain way of getting one..
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:54 PM  
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Buy a black overo foal.
That is exactly what i was gonna sayThat is always what i have heard.If you want a blk overo,buy it.I bought one myself and she is finally coming home this weekend if all goes well.She is mostly white though with the blk spots.What ever that color is called.Splash or frame?Im not sure of the color patterns yet.
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You need to test her for Agouti first If she is homozygous, you will never get a black foal out of your mare. If she is A/a, you have 50% chance of getting black if you breed to a homozygous black, black stud. If she is a/a, breed to a homozygous black, black stud and you will get black 100% of the time.

In terms of overo...Is she positive for LWO? If she is, breed to a solid homozygous black QH or LWO neg paint. Breeding to an overo will still give you 50% chance of overo, but also 25% chance solid and 25% chance lethal white.

If she is negative...Then she is either splash or sabino overo. Breed to a LWO positive homozygous black stud.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:59 PM  
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I'm also going to say that you should probably just buy a foal, but breeding her to a homozygous black horse will definitely get you black or bay (I've actually been reading up on this stuff lately!). If you don't care if it's overo or not as long as it's paint, breed to a homozygous tobiano stud.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:49 PM  
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Red is really hard to counter as its so dominate. I also wanted a black overo so I bought one LOL

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Old 06-12-2008, 02:52 PM  
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He is pretty,looks alot like my new girl coming this weekend.She was bred with a homo blk solid last yr. but she had a blk foal with a big white strip down her face.But she is cute too.
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:41 PM  
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Thanks guys- I am not looking for a horse and color is not "really" important- I was just looking for advice on what my "best chance" would be. There are a lot of other things that would come first, before color.

On The Rocks- Thanks for the post! I haven't had her tested, as this is still just a thoughts in the clouds. So if she is LWO negative, breeding her to a LWO positive horse would give higher chances of an overo? I still have a lot to learn in this area, but it is very interesting to me, I just have ADD tendencies and sitting down and trying to figure it out doesn't last too long during one sitting

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kaykay--red is actually not dominant. It is recessive--I learned that last night!

LWO is lethal white, but it's linked to the frame overo gene. A positive horse doesn't increase your chances of color (versus a regular non-lethal carrier overo), but if you breed it to a carrier, your chance of having a dead foal increases.
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Thanks guys- I am not looking for a horse and color is not "really" important- I was just looking for advice on what my "best chance" would be. There are a lot of other things that would come first, before color.

On The Rocks- Thanks for the post! I haven't had her tested, as this is still just a thoughts in the clouds. So if she is LWO negative, breeding her to a LWO positive horse would give higher chances of an overo? I still have a lot to learn in this area, but it is very interesting to me, I just have ADD tendencies and sitting down and trying to figure it out doesn't last too long during one sitting

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If she from two true black overos she cannot carry an agouti gene as neither parent would have had one. If one was a brown that would be a different story.
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the mare is not from two black overos- her dam was. Her sire is sorrel QH.
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the mare is not from two black overos- her dam was. Her sire is sorrel QH.
Okay, then we know her dam is aa as her black sire and dam did not have any Agouti to pass on So she is at least Aa if not aa. What color were her sire's parents?

LWO pretty much "is" the gene for frame overo. If she is neg. for frame then yes, I would breed to a LWO positive horse. If she is LWO positive, breed to an "overo looking" horse who is LWO neg and therefore splash or sabino overo. There really is no point in breeding two LWO positive horses together as it doesn't give you any higher chance of an overo than a LWO pos to a LWO neg

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You should hang around and bond with our Color gurus OTR..
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Red is really hard to counter as its so dominate. I also wanted a black overo so I bought one LOL

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You would have to be very short to ride him..

Does it HAVE to be an overo-how about this nice B/W colt?
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I think he is a pony, shetland maybe. . . BTW I also LOVE him
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