What colors could we get?

theloneappy · 01-04-2006, 10:58 PM

Heres Phoenix -

Heres the stud I'm drooling over -

http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org...892/105957.htm

I know Phoenix Is out of a red roan mare and a sorral stud. She trew a dark bay with black points when bred to a dark bay with black points. Just kinda curious as to what i might expect outa these two. Thanks all.

Malauree

**beth55051** · 01-04-2006, 11:11 PM

You might get lucky and get a blue roan but most likely a red roan, but darker than your mare unless she carries a grey gene which is hard to tell because she is grade. He's a pretty boy, know the trainer who trained him, does alot of reining and used to (might still) train appaloosas down here by me until he moved up north to the cold tundra

The foal would definitely know what to do with a cow! (Besides grill it and put it on a bun with lots of cheese!)

theloneappy · 01-04-2006, 11:18 PM

Phoenix sees cows and gets all excited. She wants to WORK! HEHE she even trys to work my aprents dogs. Its funny to watch. From her build you wouldnt guess she was out of a Racing QH stud and the foal she droped was outta a TB stud. Montana was approx 15 hh a just over a year.

I'm really looking into breeding to the blue roan. I LOVE roans.

found_my_trupride · 01-05-2006, 12:00 AM

i dont know anything about color so i cant help you there but i can see why you are drooling over the stud he is one big hunk. i love big stocky horses of any color or breed for that matter.

**muttduck** · 01-05-2006, 07:16 AM

Your mare is red.
We KNOW she is red/red.
We don't know her agouti status.

This stud is black.
We KNOW he doesn't carry agouti.
We don't know his black status.

Base color options:

If he is heterozygous black, and your mare carries 1 agouti:
50% shot of a red horse,
25% shot of a bay horse
25% shot of a black horse.

If he is heterozygous black, and your mare carries 2 agouti:
50% shot of red,
50% shot of bay.

If he is heterozygous black, and your mare doesn't carry agouti:
50% shot of red,
50% shot of black.

If he is homozygous black, and you mare carries 1 agouti:
50% shot of bay
50% shot of black

If he is homozygous black, and your mare carries 2 agouti:
100% bay.

If he is homozygous black, and your mare doesn't carry agouti:
100% black.

Odds are you would get roan on any base color (75% shot.)
Even if they're both heterozygous for Roan.

**Orchid** · 01-05-2006, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beth55051

You might get lucky and get a blue roan but most likely a red roan, but darker than your mare unless she carries a grey gene which is hard to tell because she is grade. He's a pretty boy, know the trainer who trained him, does alot of reining and used to (might still) train appaloosas down here by me until he moved up north to the cold tundra

The foal would definitely know what to do with a cow! (Besides grill it and put it on a bun with lots of cheese!)

Actually, it is quite easy to tell if the mare carries a grey gene - neither of her parents were grey, so she definitely does not carry the grey gene.

**muttduck** · 01-05-2006, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beth55051

You might get lucky and get a blue roan but most likely a red roan, but darker than your mare unless she carries a grey gene which is hard to tell because she is grade.

It is easy to tell if any horse carries a grey gene. They will be grey. Grey doesn't hide. It is dominent and overrides the other color genes. The grey gene will always turn a horse's coat grey. The entire coat, not just a blanket, or a pattern.

Grade, registered, halfbreed, doesn't matter... If the horse isn't grey, it doesn't carry the gene. There are no exceptions to that rule, except in newborns that haven't had their birth color change yet.

Second, the fact that he is black based will have nothing to do with the shade of red, or how much roaning the foal would have. Those are Natural Mysteries.

The only thing that the black can do is give you a black based foal, which the percentages are calculated above.

dodib · 01-05-2006, 12:35 PM

I just have to say she looks so much like my daughters Appy(Cherokee)
And she is gorgeous. Our appy is pregnant due in May and she was bred to a Dun Quarter horse...................can't wait to see what the foal looks like!

Heres a pic of her and my daughter at their first show

theloneappy · 01-05-2006, 10:29 PM

If any one is interested lookie what i found....

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/monkey+dlux

Waiting for them to contact me back about breeding.

Fingers crossed!

cole · 01-05-2006, 10:35 PM

OMG my aunt has a mare that looks just like her. They bred her to a blue roan, and the one horse was blue roan with white spots on his but and stomach. The other baby he was like a purple roan. I hope this helps. The blue and red roan is a good combination. Go and do it.

theloneappy · 01-06-2006, 10:09 PM

Yeah! Sounds like I'm gonna get a baby! WOOHOO! I know there are so many horses out there already. I feel bad about breeding her but I so want this baby. What do y'all think?

To breed or not to breed?

**beth55051** · 01-06-2006, 10:24 PM

My opinion only on breeding. If you are breeding because you want to raise and train a foal and can keep him for the rest of his life. More power to you! It doesn't mean you have to keep him forever but can if you have to. If you are only breeding because you own a mare and that's what you're supposed to do with mares then that's the wrong reason. She sounds like she's a nice mare that has "proven" herself and he's definitely a nice stallion. I don't personally believe in breeding a mare that has done nothing in her life as she hasn't proven to me that she is capable of a job or even has a personality that should be passed on. Papers arn't always everything. I own a grade that has turned out to be a better prospect than two of the horses that I bred and raised for the same job. I sold the two colts to people who will train them and use them so I could keep the grade colt. So papers don't mean the horse will perform better or have a better temperament or have the heart and try I like my horses to have. In the end it's a decison only you can make. You know your mare, we don't!

theloneappy · 01-06-2006, 10:31 PM

I do plan on keeping the foal. I do not believe in breeding just because i can, that is way wrong. I just like knowing everyones opinions. Thanks all.

Malauree

**Orchid** · 01-09-2006, 02:53 PM

He certainly is a muscle-y looking fellow - and what a lovely color! Do you have a good side shot of him? This one is kind of from behind.

If you think he complements your mare, I say go for it.

01-04-2006, 10:58 PM
theloneappy Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 712	What colors could we get? Heres Phoenix - Heres the stud I'm drooling over - http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org...892/105957.htm I know Phoenix Is out of a red roan mare and a sorral stud. She trew a dark bay with black points when bred to a dark bay with black points. Just kinda curious as to what i might expect outa these two. Thanks all. Malauree

01-04-2006, 11:11 PM
beth55051 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: East Central Minnesota Posts: 4,870	You might get lucky and get a blue roan but most likely a red roan, but darker than your mare unless she carries a grey gene which is hard to tell because she is grade. He's a pretty boy, know the trainer who trained him, does alot of reining and used to (might still) train appaloosas down here by me until he moved up north to the cold tundra The foal would definitely know what to do with a cow! (Besides grill it and put it on a bun with lots of cheese!) __________________ Do not mind anything that anyone tells you about anyone else. Judge everyone and everything for yourself.

01-04-2006, 11:18 PM
theloneappy Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 712	Phoenix sees cows and gets all excited. She wants to WORK! HEHE she even trys to work my aprents dogs. Its funny to watch. From her build you wouldnt guess she was out of a Racing QH stud and the foal she droped was outta a TB stud. Montana was approx 15 hh a just over a year. I'm really looking into breeding to the blue roan. I LOVE roans.

01-05-2006, 12:00 AM
found_my_trupride Newborn Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: very cold part of Michigan Posts: 37	i dont know anything about color so i cant help you there but i can see why you are drooling over the stud he is one big hunk. i love big stocky horses of any color or breed for that matter. __________________ \"A perfect book on riding could be written only by a horse.\" -Russian cavalry officer Vladimir S. LIttauer (from Horse Talk Magazine)

01-05-2006, 07:16 AM
muttduck Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 6,233	Your mare is red. We KNOW she is red/red. We don't know her agouti status. This stud is black. We KNOW he doesn't carry agouti. We don't know his black status. Base color options: If he is heterozygous black, and your mare carries 1 agouti: 50% shot of a red horse, 25% shot of a bay horse 25% shot of a black horse. If he is heterozygous black, and your mare carries 2 agouti: 50% shot of red, 50% shot of bay. If he is heterozygous black, and your mare doesn't carry agouti: 50% shot of red, 50% shot of black. If he is homozygous black, and you mare carries 1 agouti: 50% shot of bay 50% shot of black If he is homozygous black, and your mare carries 2 agouti: 100% bay. If he is homozygous black, and your mare doesn't carry agouti: 100% black. Odds are you would get roan on any base color (75% shot.) Even if they're both heterozygous for Roan. __________________ www.woodburnedpetportraits.com www.animalgalleryphotography.com

01-05-2006, 12:35 PM
dodib Started Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ravenna, MI Posts: 2,671	I just have to say she looks so much like my daughters Appy(Cherokee) And she is gorgeous. Our appy is pregnant due in May and she was bred to a Dun Quarter horse...................can't wait to see what the foal looks like! Heres a pic of her and my daughter at their first show __________________ Dorthy www.freewebs.com/brownranch/

01-05-2006, 10:29 PM
theloneappy Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 712	If any one is interested lookie what i found.... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/monkey+dlux Waiting for them to contact me back about breeding. Fingers crossed!

01-05-2006, 10:35 PM
cole Halter broke Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: illinois Posts: 91	OMG my aunt has a mare that looks just like her. They bred her to a blue roan, and the one horse was blue roan with white spots on his but and stomach. The other baby he was like a purple roan. I hope this helps. The blue and red roan is a good combination. Go and do it.

01-06-2006, 10:09 PM
theloneappy Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 712	Yeah! Sounds like I'm gonna get a baby! WOOHOO! I know there are so many horses out there already. I feel bad about breeding her but I so want this baby. What do y'all think? To breed or not to breed?

01-06-2006, 10:24 PM
beth55051 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: East Central Minnesota Posts: 4,870	My opinion only on breeding. If you are breeding because you want to raise and train a foal and can keep him for the rest of his life. More power to you! It doesn't mean you have to keep him forever but can if you have to. If you are only breeding because you own a mare and that's what you're supposed to do with mares then that's the wrong reason. She sounds like she's a nice mare that has "proven" herself and he's definitely a nice stallion. I don't personally believe in breeding a mare that has done nothing in her life as she hasn't proven to me that she is capable of a job or even has a personality that should be passed on. Papers arn't always everything. I own a grade that has turned out to be a better prospect than two of the horses that I bred and raised for the same job. I sold the two colts to people who will train them and use them so I could keep the grade colt. So papers don't mean the horse will perform better or have a better temperament or have the heart and try I like my horses to have. In the end it's a decison only you can make. You know your mare, we don't! __________________ Do not mind anything that anyone tells you about anyone else. Judge everyone and everything for yourself.

01-06-2006, 10:31 PM
theloneappy Yearling Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 712	I do plan on keeping the foal. I do not believe in breeding just because i can, that is way wrong. I just like knowing everyones opinions. Thanks all. Malauree

01-09-2006, 02:53 PM
Orchid Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 10,083	He certainly is a muscle-y looking fellow - and what a lovely color! Do you have a good side shot of him? This one is kind of from behind. If you think he complements your mare, I say go for it. __________________ I have nothing witty or even charming to say at this point.