If you need HYPP info on a horse you are buying/breeding - Page 3

championhorse · 08-27-2007, 04:37 PM

I was just responding from ambreys post.

I know you know your facts on HYPP, as do I. (We both own N/H horses.)and some people just don't know what HYPP is, or why people are still breeding them., so I was just throwing all that stuff out there, as to why it happens sometimes.

and that if someone just bought a horse and found out it was N/H its not the end of the world.

I think in my first post, I was misunderstood as saying it wasn't a big deal, and I don't think that its not a big deal, but most times they can be treated, and that I just have bigger worries I guess.

I also know the post is on HYPP it just took a turn somewhere...and now its headed back in that direction..

ambrey · 08-27-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by championhorse

I was just responding from ambreys post.

I know you know your facts on HYPP, as do I. (We both own N/H horses.)and some people just don't know what HYPP is, or why people are still breeding them., so I was just throwing all that stuff out there, as to why it happens sometimes.

and that if someone just bought a horse and found out it was N/H its not the end of the world.

No, that's not the problem. The problem is the person who buys a horse, never finds out it is HYPP N/H and doesn't know what to do when the horse has an attack.

There's nothing at all wrong with getting an N/H horse if you go into it with your eyes open. My problem is with people who would sweep information under the rug, and the consequences to the horses down the line after they go through that auction and are bought by some unsuspecting person who has no idea.

By breeding horses with HYPP genes, this is what you are risking unless you are willing to follow every N/H or H/H horse you breed through their entire lives. Not only are you selling horses with a possibly fatal disorder- but you are sending them off into a world that doesn't understand that the symptoms can be controlled.

It is not like selling poor quality cars. A car that breaks down doesn't feel pain or panic.

paige5785 · 08-27-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ambrey

No, that's not the problem. The problem is the person who buys a horse, never finds out it is HYPP N/H and doesn't know what to do when the horse has an attack.

There's nothing at all wrong with getting an N/H horse if you go into it with your eyes open. My problem is with people who would sweep information under the rug, and the consequences to the horses down the line after they go through that auction and are bought by some unsuspecting person who has no idea.

By breeding horses with HYPP genes, this is what you are risking unless you are willing to follow every N/H or H/H horse you breed through their entire lives. Not only are you selling horses with a possibly fatal disorder- but you are sending them off into a world that doesn't understand that the symptoms can be controlled.

It is not like selling poor quality cars. A car that breaks down doesn't feel pain or panic.

It should be the responsibility of the buyer to have a horse that they are interested in checked out before buying it or to atleast ask enough questions to get the information themselves.

ETA:
I own an N/H horse and I'm perfectly happy with her. She does wonderfully in shows and is a fantastic kids horse with perfect conformation. She's an awesome horse and will never be bred due to her HYPP status.

ToveroMom · 08-28-2007, 07:09 PM

Many horses are sold at auction or just from folks who have no idea of the fact they are possibly HYPP positive.
It takes time to get a test back from the lab and so many times a horse will be bought unknowingly. There is not always that option. It does happen.

paige5785 · 08-28-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ToveroMom

Many horses are sold at auction or just from folks who have no idea of the fact they are possibly HYPP positive.
It takes time to get a test back from the lab and so many times a horse will be bought unknowingly. There is not always that option. It does happen.

Oh yeah I didn't even think about that! DUH PAIGE! **Slaps Forehead**

BUT in the case where you are purchasing a horse from an actual seller and not at an auction you should ask questions.

ToveroMom · 08-28-2007, 08:06 PM

Yes if you have papers then you need to do your homework. If it is not on the papers and you cannot verify the ancestors being N/N-then you need to pull hair and have it checked.

Slim Pikkens · 09-25-2007, 07:53 PM

I'm thinking that because Impressive is on greener pastures and his bloodlines are becoming diluted, and breeders are more aware, we will see this disease will pretty much eradicate itself. Yes, he produced good minded horses but there are many other good stallions that produce these as well. Impressive was the halter sensation and if you wanted to win you had to have one of his babies. Not so much any more.

snickers · 09-25-2007, 08:27 PM

Its still a problem and will not be going any where any time soon.

Just today a lady I met through the park called and cancelled her res. because her horse was injured, when it dropped like it was shot.
Yes, he is Impreesive bred, never tested and she knew nothing about it.
Blood work done, and sent in to be tested for HYPP.

Its a problem as long as N/H horses are bred and there are many.
Until the N/H horses are not bred, then you will start to see it bred out.
Not going to happen any time soon.

Bottom line, N/H horses win and unless something drastic happens, they will still be bred and pass the gene on 50% of the time.

Galls me when I see a N/H stallion standing at stud and/of a N/H mare in foal.

There is one mare being sold in foal, and her ad has been on for a long time.

ambrey · 09-25-2007, 08:43 PM

Fugly horse of the day is huge on the hypp thing. Apparently there are H/H horses breeding! Can you say "yikes?"

It's not just the impressive lines, either. There's a genuine belief that an N/H horse will outperform an N/N horse at halter.

LBmare · 09-25-2007, 08:49 PM

Galls me when I see a N/H stallion standing at stud and/of a N/H mare in foal.

Ditto. I have to resist the temptation of calling said farm and, well, we won't go there. You'd think after how many years of this, people would get the idea.

snickers · 09-25-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LBmare

Galls me when I see a N/H stallion standing at stud and/of a N/H mare in foal.

Ditto. I have to resist the temptation of calling said farm and, well, we won't go there. You'd think after how many years of this, people would get the idea.

I am right there with ya.
I see people who say they are not going to breed their N/H horse and the next thing you know, she is in foal, or he has covered x amount of mares.
I think they should be gelded or spayed. Of course, thats just wishful thinking.

Linebacker55 · 09-26-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Slim Pikkens

I'm thinking that because Impressive is on greener pastures and his bloodlines are becoming diluted, and breeders are more aware, we will see this disease will pretty much eradicate itself. Yes, he produced good minded horses but there are many other good stallions that produce these as well. Impressive was the halter sensation and if you wanted to win you had to have one of his babies. Not so much any more.

You are correct you do not HAVE to have an impressive bred horse to win at halter, however if you look at the top 20 AQHA leading Halter Sires, almost all are Impressive bred horses.

The Impressive Genes are actually far from dilute, N/H horses are still very popular among many show people. N/H and Impressive bred horses are not just a Halter issue either. There have been a few very popular Western Pleasure horses and sires that were actually N/H, but no one ever asked due to them not being halter horses!!

HYPP is a disease that is alive and well and is thriving as much as ever. H/H horses can not be registered in the AQHA, but there are still many N/H to N/H breedings going on!

To believe otherwise would be burrying your head in the sand over the issue.

Linebacker55 · 09-26-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ambrey

Fugly horse of the day is huge on the hypp thing. Apparently there are H/H horses breeding! Can you say "yikes?"

It's not just the impressive lines, either. There's a genuine belief that an N/H horse will outperform an N/N horse at halter.

There are Several H/H mares and Stallions out there actively breeding.

All HYPP positive lines are impressive bred, so I do not get that statement. It is not just a belief that many times in shows the N/H horse will beat the N/N horses. It is not an absolute that wil happen but I would guess that 75% of the time it happens.

Now we breed, show and win with N/N horses and we beat N/H horses on a regular basis, but we also get beat by many N/H horses as well....

LBmare · 09-26-2007, 08:24 PM

I see AQHA's point in not allowing H/H horses to be registered within the association...Because many people won't breed without papers.

But I think by not allowing the H/H horses to be registered, it is also an invitation for trouble...What happens when nonregistered H/H 3 yo Bobby is sold to Farmer George, and Farmer George believes if it has testicles it should be in the shed...Farmer George may not know Bobby's condition due to seller or buyer negligence, and so what happens?

Offspring have the chance of getting it, Farmer George doesn't know it until he finds a horse dropped like it was hot out in his field and just scratches his head.

That's just something I just thought of...I again agree with snickers, these H/H horses should be gelded and spayed, but should also be allowed in some part of the association. Because obviously, as we know, not everyone is going to geld their H/H or N/H horse.

It's a bad thing, and can be a costly thing when you think about it. Another thing that hurts is too many people won't look at an unregistered horse, no matter how nice a horse it is...So you, being a responsible seller/owner, have a nice QH gelding, H/H, that could not be registered. He's got good breeding(I could go on to say who cares, it's not a freaking mare, but taht's contraversial too)and is a nice riding horse, does well at the local and open shows. But the fact he isn't registered is hurting you, as it is hard to sell even a good proven horse without papers.

Boy I hope some of that made sense! It did to me at the time!

juicey1 · 01-23-2008, 07:15 PM

I was recently schooled so to speak on HyPP horses, while I was out searching for the perfect horse for my daughters I came across 2 very neglected underfed just down right skinny horses. So being me, I couldn't leave them and bought them, and not for very much. Okay mind you I wasn't looking at papers just looking to get them the HELL outta HELL!!!!! So I got the papers loaded the horses on the trailer, and they were more than happy to hop aboard. So I am in the truck with my friend we are looking at their papers. A 7 year Old Mare AQHA Incentive Fund ( Impressive Bred also Zippo Pine Bar) HyPP N/N. Being undereducated in this I was like ok. The Gelding 4 year Old AQHA (Impressive Bred Line Breeding)Incentive Fund Nominated HyPP N/H , at this point I was like oh crud I better get me some info. ASAP. So I did real quick. Everything I was reading online was more or less run for your life from a horse that has N/H. I am worried more for him, and why he was bred to begin with. It certainly was not his fault, and I feed him a strict diet low potassium no red mineral blocks no alfalfa, lot's of water and turnout 24/7 unless weather conditions decide otherwise. I have had the pair for just a month now, and he has been a dream both are gaining weight they are caught up on all the wormings ,vaccinations and a wonderful visit with the farrier. The gelding has small hooves, must be a halter horse trait not sure never followed halter horses. Anyway I just wanted to say that after learning and still learning about HyPP and its effects on the entire horse population, I feel lucky in knowing that he has tested positive and I am treating it properly and no longer feeling anxious over it. Will he ever episode? Possibly, I am not completely convinced he never will. I know one thing for sure as long as there is breath in him he will be my horse. So being educated is certainly a step in the right direction and absolutely not breeding N/H or H/H horses is crucial above all. I have no plans to ever try and show him, he is just what he is a great horse. Oh the Mare his half older sister she's a keeper too. Both are still in weight gain mode, but they are getting there.

JoesLove · 01-24-2008, 09:55 PM

I just looked at my solid bay paint geldings blood line ( http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/drop+the+hammer ) and saw he had Impressive. I am now freaking out! I didnt even know about this until I bought my gelding that I had started seeing people put ''no Impressive lines'' etc in their adds. Theres a QH at my barn who is N/H and so then I decided to look it up after I found out..and now there it is! As far as I know my horse hasnt shown any signs..he is almost 8. But I definitely want to find out SOON if he has it. Do they do blood or hair? About how much is the test? And how long does it take to come in? I am hoping for the best and I guess I shouldnt over react..any advice would be great, thank you!!!

Slim Pikkens · 02-02-2008, 07:40 PM

Joe'sLove, in the meantime just switch his salt to pickling salt-no iodine, until you find out. Iodine in salt is potassium iodide.

Slim Pikkens · 02-02-2008, 07:45 PM

HYPP does not dilute. An N/H bred to an NN can still produce N/H. Either the gene factor is there or it's not. So it can continue for many generations to come. N/H needs to be put in perspective when we deal with horses that colic, founder, Herda, West Nile, encephalitis, swamp fever, etc. etc. Just one of those things we learn to deal with.

blueberry · 03-04-2008, 12:42 PM

Great thread with great info. I have a 3yo QH mare who is hypp n/h. I love her to pieces, and made a point to educate myself with her situation. I've known her since she was a foal, finally had the opportunity to own her, and saved her from going to auction or being sold as a broodmare to a big halter shower/breeder in the area. I do not plan to ever, ever breed her--I'm doing my part in the whole hypp mess by not allowing it to pass on with her potential offspring.

championhorse · 03-06-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blueberry

Great thread with great info. I have a 3yo QH mare who is hypp n/h. I love her to pieces, and made a point to educate myself with her situation. I've known her since she was a foal, finally had the opportunity to own her, and saved her from going to auction or being sold as a broodmare to a big halter shower/breeder in the area. I do not plan to ever, ever breed her--I'm doing my part in the whole hypp mess by not allowing it to pass on with her potential offspring.

hmm she sounds like one that we need to see pics of...

08-27-2007, 04:37 PM
championhorse Long Yearling Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,374	I was just responding from ambreys post. I know you know your facts on HYPP, as do I. (We both own N/H horses.)and some people just don't know what HYPP is, or why people are still breeding them., so I was just throwing all that stuff out there, as to why it happens sometimes. and that if someone just bought a horse and found out it was N/H its not the end of the world. I think in my first post, I was misunderstood as saying it wasn't a big deal, and I don't think that its not a big deal, but most times they can be treated, and that I just have bigger worries I guess. I also know the post is on HYPP it just took a turn somewhere...and now its headed back in that direction.. __________________ Rev 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations.

08-28-2007, 07:09 PM
ToveroMom Pasture Pet Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cleveland TX Posts: 17,059	Many horses are sold at auction or just from folks who have no idea of the fact they are possibly HYPP positive. It takes time to get a test back from the lab and so many times a horse will be bought unknowingly. There is not always that option. It does happen. __________________

08-28-2007, 08:06 PM
ToveroMom Pasture Pet Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cleveland TX Posts: 17,059	Yes if you have papers then you need to do your homework. If it is not on the papers and you cannot verify the ancestors being N/N-then you need to pull hair and have it checked. __________________

09-25-2007, 07:53 PM
Slim Pikkens Seasoned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,047	I'm thinking that because Impressive is on greener pastures and his bloodlines are becoming diluted, and breeders are more aware, we will see this disease will pretty much eradicate itself. Yes, he produced good minded horses but there are many other good stallions that produce these as well. Impressive was the halter sensation and if you wanted to win you had to have one of his babies. Not so much any more.

09-25-2007, 08:27 PM
snickers Bombproof Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Twilight Zone Posts: 9,804	Its still a problem and will not be going any where any time soon. Just today a lady I met through the park called and cancelled her res. because her horse was injured, when it dropped like it was shot. Yes, he is Impreesive bred, never tested and she knew nothing about it. Blood work done, and sent in to be tested for HYPP. Its a problem as long as N/H horses are bred and there are many. Until the N/H horses are not bred, then you will start to see it bred out. Not going to happen any time soon. Bottom line, N/H horses win and unless something drastic happens, they will still be bred and pass the gene on 50% of the time. Galls me when I see a N/H stallion standing at stud and/of a N/H mare in foal. There is one mare being sold in foal, and her ad has been on for a long time. __________________ The "real" FACE of white trash is not here. http://diamondpfarm.webs.com/

09-25-2007, 08:43 PM
ambrey Started Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,167	Fugly horse of the day is huge on the hypp thing. Apparently there are H/H horses breeding! Can you say "yikes?" It's not just the impressive lines, either. There's a genuine belief that an N/H horse will outperform an N/N horse at halter.

09-25-2007, 08:49 PM
LBmare Yearling Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the past Posts: 509	Galls me when I see a N/H stallion standing at stud and/of a N/H mare in foal. Ditto. I have to resist the temptation of calling said farm and, well, we won't go there. You'd think after how many years of this, people would get the idea.

09-26-2007, 08:24 PM
LBmare Yearling Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the past Posts: 509	I see AQHA's point in not allowing H/H horses to be registered within the association...Because many people won't breed without papers. But I think by not allowing the H/H horses to be registered, it is also an invitation for trouble...What happens when nonregistered H/H 3 yo Bobby is sold to Farmer George, and Farmer George believes if it has testicles it should be in the shed...Farmer George may not know Bobby's condition due to seller or buyer negligence, and so what happens? Offspring have the chance of getting it, Farmer George doesn't know it until he finds a horse dropped like it was hot out in his field and just scratches his head. That's just something I just thought of...I again agree with snickers, these H/H horses should be gelded and spayed, but should also be allowed in some part of the association. Because obviously, as we know, not everyone is going to geld their H/H or N/H horse. It's a bad thing, and can be a costly thing when you think about it. Another thing that hurts is too many people won't look at an unregistered horse, no matter how nice a horse it is...So you, being a responsible seller/owner, have a nice QH gelding, H/H, that could not be registered. He's got good breeding(I could go on to say who cares, it's not a freaking mare, but taht's contraversial too)and is a nice riding horse, does well at the local and open shows. But the fact he isn't registered is hurting you, as it is hard to sell even a good proven horse without papers. Boy I hope some of that made sense! It did to me at the time!

01-23-2008, 07:15 PM
juicey1 Newborn Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 5	I was recently schooled so to speak on HyPP horses, while I was out searching for the perfect horse for my daughters I came across 2 very neglected underfed just down right skinny horses. So being me, I couldn't leave them and bought them, and not for very much. Okay mind you I wasn't looking at papers just looking to get them the HELL outta HELL!!!!! So I got the papers loaded the horses on the trailer, and they were more than happy to hop aboard. So I am in the truck with my friend we are looking at their papers. A 7 year Old Mare AQHA Incentive Fund ( Impressive Bred also Zippo Pine Bar) HyPP N/N. Being undereducated in this I was like ok. The Gelding 4 year Old AQHA (Impressive Bred Line Breeding)Incentive Fund Nominated HyPP N/H , at this point I was like oh crud I better get me some info. ASAP. So I did real quick. Everything I was reading online was more or less run for your life from a horse that has N/H. I am worried more for him, and why he was bred to begin with. It certainly was not his fault, and I feed him a strict diet low potassium no red mineral blocks no alfalfa, lot's of water and turnout 24/7 unless weather conditions decide otherwise. I have had the pair for just a month now, and he has been a dream both are gaining weight they are caught up on all the wormings ,vaccinations and a wonderful visit with the farrier. The gelding has small hooves, must be a halter horse trait not sure never followed halter horses. Anyway I just wanted to say that after learning and still learning about HyPP and its effects on the entire horse population, I feel lucky in knowing that he has tested positive and I am treating it properly and no longer feeling anxious over it. Will he ever episode? Possibly, I am not completely convinced he never will. I know one thing for sure as long as there is breath in him he will be my horse. So being educated is certainly a step in the right direction and absolutely not breeding N/H or H/H horses is crucial above all. I have no plans to ever try and show him, he is just what he is a great horse. Oh the Mare his half older sister she's a keeper too. Both are still in weight gain mode, but they are getting there. Last edited by juicey1 : 01-23-2008 at 07:17 PM. Reason: typo, probably more than one...my bad.

01-24-2008, 09:55 PM
JoesLove Weanling Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 403	Help! I just looked at my solid bay paint geldings blood line ( http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/drop+the+hammer ) and saw he had Impressive. I am now freaking out! I didnt even know about this until I bought my gelding that I had started seeing people put ''no Impressive lines'' etc in their adds. Theres a QH at my barn who is N/H and so then I decided to look it up after I found out..and now there it is! As far as I know my horse hasnt shown any signs..he is almost 8. But I definitely want to find out SOON if he has it. Do they do blood or hair? About how much is the test? And how long does it take to come in? I am hoping for the best and I guess I shouldnt over react..any advice would be great, thank you!!!

02-02-2008, 07:40 PM
Slim Pikkens Seasoned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,047	Joe'sLove, in the meantime just switch his salt to pickling salt-no iodine, until you find out. Iodine in salt is potassium iodide.

02-02-2008, 07:45 PM
Slim Pikkens Seasoned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,047	HYPP does not dilute. An N/H bred to an NN can still produce N/H. Either the gene factor is there or it's not. So it can continue for many generations to come. N/H needs to be put in perspective when we deal with horses that colic, founder, Herda, West Nile, encephalitis, swamp fever, etc. etc. Just one of those things we learn to deal with.

03-04-2008, 12:42 PM
blueberry Yearling Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: great lakes area Posts: 921	Great thread with great info. I have a 3yo QH mare who is hypp n/h. I love her to pieces, and made a point to educate myself with her situation. I've known her since she was a foal, finally had the opportunity to own her, and saved her from going to auction or being sold as a broodmare to a big halter shower/breeder in the area. I do not plan to ever, ever breed her--I'm doing my part in the whole hypp mess by not allowing it to pass on with her potential offspring. __________________ Proud horse mom to: Genie the beauty queenie (4yo QH) Tess the best (6yo QH) "To err is human, to forgive is equine"